ZECHARIAH 14 IS FOR CHRIST'S CHURCH

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Some so-called Christian denominations don't give much weight to the Old Testament prophets, mainly because they conflict with those type church's limited Bible scope and understanding. I know those type of churches well, as I was raised in one of them, a Preterist church. But I in no way claim those denominations that teach too many doctrines of men instead of sticking with God's Word as written. I actually do not recall their teaching much prophecy about the end times even! That is how wrapped up in their own minds their doctrines of men are.

The Zechariah 14 Chapter is an Old Testament Bible prophecy that gives details about Christ's future 2nd coming back to this earth.

There is more detail in it about Christ's future coming than what The New Testament Scriptures reveal. It is thus one of the most important Bible Chapters for the Christian Church. It reveals many of the false doctrines taught by men about Christ's future coming and reign. It makes clear just 'when', and 'how' Lord Jesus returns to this earth, and 'who' returns with Him, and 'who' He will reign over from Jerusalem, on earth.


Zech 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.


That "day of the Lord" means the very LAST day of this present world when Lord Jesus will come "as a thief in the night." Recall Paul in 1 Thess.5 revealed that, as Peter also did in 2 Peter 3:10 about God's "consuming fire" burning man's works off this earth on that day. And per Rev.16:15, within the 6th Vial timing, Lord Jesus said that He comes "as a thief". The next 7th Vial then signals this "day of the Lord" when His 2nd coming will be.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.


That above is a reference to that last day of this world, the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns to this earth. That is the battle of Armageddon mentioned in the Rev.19 Chapter. In Zephaniah 3 also is where God said He is going to gather all nations so as to pour out all His fierce anger and indignation upon them.

In that 3rd verse above, just when did... The LORD go forth and fight against those nations in the past, as when He fought in the day of battle? If you have eyes to see, and ears to hear, do you know when Lucifer's original rebellion was when Lucifer drew a third of the angels (stars) to earth with him? The Rev.12:3-4 Scripture reveals back at Lucifer's original time of rebellion, he had setup a beast system that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns. That is not the same system mentioned in Rev.13:1. The Rev.13:1 beast kingdom is for the end of this present world, and is to have "ten crowns" instead of seven.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

There is where, and how... Lord Jesus will return in the future at His 2nd coming. He is not just going to appear out of the clouds to rapture His Church and then go back into Heaven with them, for that is a doctrine of men.

Lord Jesus is coming literally... back to earth, how He ascended into Heaven, as mentioned in Acts 1 by what the angels said to His disciples who saw Him ascend.

When Lord Jesus' feet touch down there east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, on that final day of this world, the Mount of Olives is going to cleave in two, half of it to the north, and half of it to the south, forming a great valley running east and west. That definitely ain't going to be some secret either. All nations and peoples on earth will know about it.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.

In 1 Thess.4 Apostle Paul did not specifically tell us just 'where' Lord Jesus will come to when He comes to gather His Church. Since this Zechariah 14 Chapter makes it very plain just 'where' and 'how' Lord Jesus will return to Jerusalem, on earth, with His elect Church, did Apostle Paul really need to give that detail also in 1 Thess.4? No, not really. If one just reads the 1 Thess.4 Chapter about Christ's future coming and gathering of the Church, and not this, then it means their understanding just HANGS on Jesus and His Church being caught up to the "air", and that's it. Home in the "air'! and not on earth. That is actually what some country preachers teach, that's how Biblically illiterate they are.

But here in Zechariah 14, which reveals Christ's FEET will touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, and with His elect Church, well that destroys... the silly doctrines of men those Biblically illiterate preachers teach. That's why they don't really like this Zechariah 14 Chapter, because it goes directly against the falseness of what they are teaching! And that is why Zechariah 14 should be all the more important to Christ's faithful who KEEP what God's Word says, instead of what men's doctrines say.


6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

That kind of event, with the sun turning dark, and the moon not giving its light, was a sign Jesus gave about the day of His future coming (Matthew 24:29; Mark 13:24).

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

That also was a SIGN Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse of Matth.24 and Mark 13 about the day of His future 2nd coming. He said only The Father knows when that day and hour will be.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

That is a direct reference to the Revelation 22 "pure river of water of life". It's about the return of GOD's River of Genesis 2 back to this earth. That River is shown flowing out from under Christ's future Millennium "sanctuary" to feed other waters upon this earth, healing them (Ezekiel 47). That Ezekiel 47 Chapter even reveals its location will be in the holy land, in the middle east, as it names two locations on earth.

We aren't given that amount of detail in The New Testament Books about that River. But then again, like how and when Jesus returns per this Zech.14 Chapter, does The New Testament need to repeat all this again, when a disciple of Christ is supposed have ALREADY READ the Old Testament prophets about these details? Why should The Lord repeat Himself for the Biblically lazy when these things were already written through His prophets?

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.

Does that say "the LORD" will be king up in Heaven, invisible, with His Church, OFF this earth? NO! because we already covered the previous Zech.14 verses which declare Lord Jesus' FEET touching down upon the literal Mount of Olives, ON EARTH, bringing His elect saints with HIm. No need to hash that out again. Jesus is coming back TO EARTH, even as the angels said in Acts 1 that Lord Jesus will return to this earth in like manner as His disciples saw Him ascend into Heaven.

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10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.


That's about some earth changes that will happen with Christ's future 2nd coming. But it still will not be God's future new heavens and a new earth, not yet, because the wicked and unsaved will yet to be dealt with. The new heavens and new earth eternity will not happen until Satan, the wicked, the abode of hell, and death, are all cast into the future "lake of fire".

So now at this point in Zech.14, we are approaching the time of Christ's future Millennium reign over the wicked.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

That event is about God's "consuming fire" that will burn man's works off this earth on that "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns. The hot fiery furnace in Daniel 3 is an example of that "consuming fire", as it will not harm Christ's faithful, just as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednigo were preserved in that hot furnace with Jesus being with them in it, and they came out without their clothes even smelling of smoke. But Nebuchadnezzar's servants, just when they got near that hot fiery furnace, they were burned up, incinerated.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

That is another Sign Lord Jesus gave about the end in His Olivet discourse. At the very end of this world, during the time of "great tribulation", the whole world will hate those of us who will make a stand in Jesus Christ, including our deceived loved ones will hate us (see Mark 13).

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

That is about the future battle of Armageddon, on the last day of this world when Jesus returns (Rev.19).

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

There again, on that final day of this present world, God's "consuming fire" is going to burn those things up, leaving only this earth and the things that cannot be destroyed, like Paul showed at the end of Hebrews 12.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Not all of the nations that will come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world will be destroyed. Those leftovers will be made to come up to Jerusalem from year to year, and worship Lord Jesus Christ, The KING. They also will be made to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. All nations will be required to do this.


17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.


That is a verse that proves that is still NOT God's eternity of a new heavens and a new earth, simply because the above means those nations can still rebel against Christ on earth in that future time.

Can you believe it? Lord Jesus Christ emphatically revealed as Messiah The KING, on earth, and some will still... REJECT HIM in that future time?? That is why that is confirming Christ's future "thousand years" reign over all the unsaved nations as written in the Revelation 20 Chapter, which is another Bible Chapter men's doctrines hate.


20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.

Do you recall John 14 where Jesus told His disciples that He goes to prepare a place for them, so that they can be where He is? Well, just 'where' does this Zechariah 14 Chapter reveal where Lord Jesus will be when He comes in the future? Right here, ON EARTH.

So what's this "house" mentioned here? The detail about The Fathers "house", which Jesus said has "many mansions", is detailed in the Ezekiel 40 through 47 Chapters. Sorry pre-trib rapture folks, that Father's "house" will NOT be up in the clouds of Heaven. It is written in God's Word that it will be ON EARTH, in the area of the middle east. That "house" will be the future Millennium temple (or "sanctuary") which Lord Jesus and His elect Church will reign from with the "rod of iron" over the unsaved nations.

Don't like that maybe, since your preacher might be preaching something else? Who will you listen to then, God in His written Word, or to that preacher? Can that preacher save you?

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
KJV

Many are completely unaware about those Canaanite pagan foreigners that crept into Israel's priesthood back in Israel's Old Testament history. By the time of Lord Jesus' 1st coming, they had corrupted many of The LORD's commandments, replacing them with commandments of men created during the "house of Judah" Babylon captivity. They even created the Babylonian Talmud of sage writings to govern the Jew's religion, Judaism, which are still applied among the unbelieving Jews to this day. And those are the things that Lord Jesus rebuked among those scribes and Pharisees that sought to murder Him.

When Lord Jesus returns at His future 2nd coming, those false ones will be cast out of God's "house". And notice that did not say they are destroyed then yet. It's because that is Christ's future Millennium reign time with His elect.
 
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The Zechariah 14 Chapter is an Old Testament Bible prophecy that gives details about Christ's future 2nd coming back to this earth.
Zechariah Chapter 14 Is "The Eternal Kingdom" Don't Be Deceived

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 

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Some so-called Christian denominations don't give much weight to the Old Testament prophets, mainly because they conflict with those type church's limited Bible scope and understanding. I know those type of churches well, as I was raised in one of them, a Preterist church. But I in no way claim those denominations that teach too many doctrines of men instead of sticking with God's Word as written. I actually do not recall their teaching much prophecy about the end times even! That is how wrapped up in their own minds their doctrines of men are.

The Zechariah 14 Chapter is an Old Testament Bible prophecy that gives details about Christ's future 2nd coming back to this earth.

There is more detail in it about Christ's future coming than what The New Testament Scriptures reveal. It is thus one of the most important Bible Chapters for the Christian Church. It reveals many of the false doctrines taught by men about Christ's future coming and reign. It makes clear just 'when', and 'how' Lord Jesus returns to this earth, and 'who' returns with Him, and 'who' He will reign over from Jerusalem, on earth.


Zech 14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.


That "day of the Lord" means the very LAST day of this present world when Lord Jesus will come "as a thief in the night." Recall Paul in 1 Thess.5 revealed that, as Peter also did in 2 Peter 3:10 about God's "consuming fire" burning man's works off this earth on that day. And per Rev.16:15, within the 6th Vial timing, Lord Jesus said that He comes "as a thief". The next 7th Vial then signals this "day of the Lord" when His 2nd coming will be.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle.


That above is a reference to that last day of this world, the "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns to this earth. That is the battle of Armageddon mentioned in the Rev.19 Chapter. In Zephaniah 3 also is where God said He is going to gather all nations so as to pour out all His fierce anger and indignation upon them.

In that 3rd verse above, just when did... The LORD go forth and fight against those nations in the past, as when He fought in the day of battle? If you have eyes to see, and ears to hear, do you know when Lucifer's original rebellion was when Lucifer drew a third of the angels (stars) to earth with him? The Rev.12:3-4 Scripture reveals back at Lucifer's original time of rebellion, he had setup a beast system that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns. That is not the same system mentioned in Rev.13:1. The Rev.13:1 beast kingdom is for the end of this present world.

4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

There is where, and how... Lord Jesus will return in the future at His 2nd coming. He is not just going to appear out of the clouds to rapture His Church and then go back into Heaven with them, for that is a doctrine of men.

Lord Jesus is coming literally... back to earth, how He ascended into Heaven, as mentioned in Acts 1 by what the angels said to His disciples who saw Him ascend.

When Lord Jesus' feet touch down there east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, on that final day of this world, the Mount of Olives is going to cleave in two, half of it to the north, and half of it to the south, forming a great valley running east and west. That definitely ain't going to be some secret either. All nations and peoples on earth will know about it.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.

In 1 Thess.4 Apostle Paul did not specifically tell us just 'where' Lord Jesus will come to when He comes to gather His Church. Since this Zechariah 14 Chapter makes it very plain just 'where' and 'how' Lord Jesus will return to Jerusalem, on earth, with His elect Church, did Apostle Paul really need to give that detail also in 1 Thess.4? No, not really. If one just reads the 1 Thess.4 Chapter about Christ's future coming and gathering of the Church, and not this, then it means their understanding just HANGS on Jesus and His Church being caught up to the "air", and that's it. Home in the "air'! and not on earth. That is actually what some country preachers teach, that's how Biblically illiterate they are.

But here in Zechariah 14, which reveals Christ's FEET will touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, and with His elect Church, well that destroys... the silly doctrines of men those Biblically illiterate preachers teach. That's why they don't really like this Zechariah 14 Chapter, because it goes directly against the falseness of what they are teaching! And that is why Zechariah 14 should be all the more important to Christ's faithful who KEEP what God's Word says, instead of what men's doctrines say.


6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

That kind of event, with the sun turning dark, and the moon not giving its light, was a sign Jesus gave about the day of His future coming (Matthew 24:29; Mark 13:24).

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

That also was a SIGN Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse of Matth.24 and Mark 13 about the day of His future 2nd coming. He said only The Father knows when that day and hour will be.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

That is a direct reference to the Revelation 22 "pure river of water of life". It's about the return of GOD's River of Genesis 2 back to this earth. That River is shown flowing out from under Christ's future Millennium "sanctuary" to feed other waters upon this earth, healing them (Ezekiel 47). That Ezekiel 47 Chapter even reveals its location will be in the holy land, in the middle east, as it names two locations on earth.

We aren't given that amount of detail in The New Testament Books about that River. But then again, like how and when Jesus returns per this Zech.14 Chapter, does The New Testament need to repeat all this again, when a disciple of Christ is supposed have ALREADY READ the Old Testament prophets about these details? Why should The Lord repeat Himself for the Biblically lazy when these things were already written through His prophets?

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.

Does that say "the LORD" will be king up in Heaven, invisible, with His Church, OFF this earth? NO! because we already covered the previous Zech.14 verses which declare Lord Jesus' FEET touching down upon the literal Mount of Olives, ON EARTH, bringing His elect saints with HIm. No need to hash that out again. Jesus is coming back TO EARTH, even as the angels said in Acts 1 that Lord Jesus will return to this earth in like manner as His disciples saw Him ascend into Heaven.

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Typical beliefs of religious church-ianity and a future 1000 years of more living among the unsaved in a continually judged world/earth with more pain, suffering and death.
 

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Typical beliefs of religious church-ianity and a future 1000 years of more living among the unsaved in a continually judged world/earth with more pain, suffering and death.

That Zechariah 14 Chapter is one of THE MOST IMPORTANT BIBLE CHAPTERS WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD FOR BELIEVERS ON JESUS CHRIST!

That is because it DEFINES HOW LORD JESUS RETURNS TO THIS EARTH, WITH HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS.

And then the FACT that it also... describes CHRIST'S FUTURE REIGN OVER THE NATIONS ON THIS EARTH, that's just icing on the cake given by GOD SO THAT CHRIST'S TRUE DISCIPLES WOULD NOT BE DECEIVED BY FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN THAT YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO.
 

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That Zechariah 14 Chapter is one of THE MOST IMPORTANT BIBLE CHAPTERS WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD FOR BELIEVERS ON JESUS CHRIST!

That is because it DEFINES HOW LORD JESUS RETURNS TO THIS EARTH, WITH HIS FAITHFUL SAINTS.

And then the FACT that it also... describes CHRIST'S FUTURE REIGN OVER THE NATIONS ON THIS EARTH, that's just icing on the cake given by GOD SO THAT CHRIST'S TRUE DISCIPLES WOULD NOT BE DECEIVED BY FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN THAT YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO.
Your false understanding of Zechariah 14 shows that you have God inexplicably reinstating animal sacrifices despite Jesus making them obsolete long ago (Hebrews 8-10).

You also have God inexplicably requiring people to again go to Jerusalem to worship Him despite long ago making it so that He required people to instead worship Him in spirit and in truth wherever they are (John 4:19-24).

You also interpret Zechariah 14 in such a way that you have mortal, unbelieving survivors of Christ's return despite many scriptures saying that no mortal unbelievers will survive His return (Matthew 24:35-39, Luke 17:26-37, 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Revelation 19:15-18).
 
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Brethren in Christ, if you noticed this Zechariah 14 verse suggesting animal sacrifices in that future time of Christ's return and reign, then what's going on with that, because in Hebrews we are told that Lord Jesus' Sacrifice on His cross was the one Perfect Sacrifice for sin forever. So there is no longer any need for animal sacrifices.

How then do we account for the following, since it is written for after Christ's future 2nd coming?

Zech.14:21
Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
KJV


The Ezekiel 40, 44, and 46 Chapters, which are all future Millennium reign after Christ's return type Chapters, also mention sacrifices.

But per The New Covenant, according to Apostle Paul in Romans 12, our service in Christ represent a "living sacrifice" to Him, as animal sacrifices are no longer required. Also our praise to God represents our sacrifice now, per Hebrews 13.

Does this mean we in Christ should just DUMP those Old Testament Chapters that are given for the time AFTER Christ's future return? And those Zechariah 14, and Ezekiel 40 through 48 Chapters are definitely... for the future time AFTER Christ's future 2nd coming.

That is what some would have us do, just DUMP that part of God's Word, but WHY? Do those dump those Scriptures just because of mention of sacrifices, or are there other reasons they do that? The answer to that should be very easy, if you are a true disciple of Christ and read not only your New Testament Scriptures, but also the Old Testament Scriptures.

Some doctrines of men teach Christ's future coming opposite of what God's Word actually teaches. Some of those doctrines of men also falsely teach that Jesus raptures His Church to Heaven to live up in the clouds, instead of upon this earth. There's all sorts of wild doctrines from men that go against Christ's literal coming back to this earth to live with His saints. One of those doctrines of men doesn't even believe there will be a literal bodily return of our Lord Jesus Christ! They claim it already happened back in history!

Do you think maybe, The LORD knew those would be deceived by that mention of sacrifices there within those Old Testament prophecies for after... Christ's future 2nd coming? I have no doubt He knew they would deny those Old Testament prophecies. Did you know that in Ezekiel 13, God revealed how He feels about those preachers who push the false Pre-trib Rapture theory? There in Ezekiel 13, God said He is against those who hunt the souls to make them 'fly', those preachers saying God said this or that, and God said He did not speak to them.

The question then is, do those mention of animal sacrifices in those Zechariah 14, and Ezekiel 40-46 Chapters mean literal sacrifices?? NO! for we know Christ nailed those things to His cross for one and all time. So it's important to remember, those Old Testament prophecies were given back when Israel was still under the old covenant. Don't you think it would be strange if the fact that Christ nailed those animal sacrifices to His cross was written in those Old Testament prophecies instead, the prophets and the people would find that very strange at that time?

So don't allow those men who DUMP those Old Testament prophecies sway you into disregarding all the "strong meat" Bible revelation that is written within those Old Testament prophecies for the future. When Zechariah 14 is pointing DIRECTLY to Christ's future return to the Mount of Olives, with all His saints, you well know that ain't about animal sacrifices.
 

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Brethren in Christ, if you noticed this Zechariah 14 verse suggesting animal sacrifices in that future time of Christ's return and reign, then what's going on with that, because in Hebrews we are told that Lord Jesus' Sacrifice on His cross was the one Perfect Sacrifice for sin forever. So there is no longer any need for animal sacrifices.

How then do we account for the following, since it is written for after Christ's future 2nd coming?

Zech.14:21
Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
KJV


The Ezekiel 40, 44, and 46 Chapters, which are all future Millennium reign after Christ's return type Chapters, also mention sacrifices.

But per The New Covenant, according to Apostle Paul in Romans 12, our service in Christ represent a "living sacrifice" to Him, as animal sacrifices are no longer required. Also our praise to God represents our sacrifice now, per Hebrews 13.

Does this mean we in Christ should just DUMP those Old Testament Chapters that are given for the time AFTER Christ's future return? And those Zechariah 14, and Ezekiel 40 through 48 Chapters are definitely... for the future time AFTER Christ's future 2nd coming.

That is what some would have us do, just DUMP that part of God's Word, but WHY? Do those dump those Scriptures just because of mention of sacrifices, or are there other reasons they do that? The answer to that should be very easy, if you are a true disciple of Christ and read not only your New Testament Scriptures, but also the Old Testament Scriptures.

Some doctrines of men teach Christ's future coming opposite of what God's Word actually teaches. Some of those doctrines of men also falsely teach that Jesus raptures His Church to Heaven to live up in the clouds, instead of upon this earth. There's all sorts of wild doctrines from men that go against Christ's literal coming back to this earth to live with His saints. One of those doctrines of men doesn't even believe there will be a literal bodily return of our Lord Jesus Christ! They claim it already happened back in history!

Do you think maybe, The LORD knew those would be deceived by that mention of sacrifices there within those Old Testament prophecies for after... Christ's future 2nd coming? I have no doubt He knew they would deny those Old Testament prophecies. Did you know that in Ezekiel 13, God revealed how He feels about those preachers who push the false Pre-trib Rapture theory? There in Ezekiel 13, God said He is against those who hunt the souls to make them 'fly', those preachers saying God said this or that, and God said He did not speak to them.

The question then is, do those mention of animal sacrifices in those Zechariah 14, and Ezekiel 40-46 Chapters mean literal sacrifices?? NO! for we know Christ nailed those things to His cross for one and all time. So it's important to remember, those Old Testament prophecies were given back when Israel was still under the old covenant. Don't you think it would be strange if the fact that Christ nailed those animal sacrifices to His cross was written in those Old Testament prophecies instead, the prophets and the people would find that very strange at that time?

So don't allow those men who DUMP those Old Testament prophecies sway you into disregarding all the "strong meat" Bible revelation that is written within those Old Testament prophecies for the future. When Zechariah 14 is pointing DIRECTLY to Christ's future return to the Mount of Olives, with all His saints, you well know that ain't about animal sacrifices.
Zech. 14:21 is simply stating symbolically

and prophetically that in Christ's kingdom, beginning on Pentecost, the ordinary pots [vessels] in HIS Temple building will be made to be equal for Holy use as those pots [vessels] that would be beside the altar.

2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure in [OUR] earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Gal. 6:15 (paraphrased):
Iows, in Christ Jesus, there is NO DIFFERENCE between Jew and Gentle, but rather a NEW creature [creation].
 
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For now let's consider verse 10 first.

Zechariah 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.


This to me sounds similar to what is recorded in Zechariah 7:7 below. Except what is recorded below was already fulfilled ages ago, and that Zechariah 14:10 is not meaning Zechariah 7:7. Yet, we can use Zechariah 7:7 to get an idea of what Zechariah 14:10 looks like when fulfilled.


Zechariah 7:7 Should ye not hear the words which the LORD hath cried by the former prophets, when Jerusalem was inhabited and in prosperity, and the cities thereof round about her, when men inhabited the south and the plain?

Plus, we cannot interpret Zechariah 14:10 in isolation. It must be interpreted along with all the following, like such, in order to apply it in context rather than out of context, and in order to see the bigger picture over all.

Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 ¶And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

No way, in any sense, has verse 11 already been fulfilled. Which then undeniably proves that neither have any of these other verses leading up to it, verses 6-10, been fulfilled either.

But let's just interpret verses 6-11 in a spiritual sense and apply these things to the here and now, spiritually. As if something meant to be taken in a spiritual sense can be south of something, Jerusalem in this case(verse 10).

Or let's just rip some of these verses out of context and apply them in isolation. For example, verse 8. Since that appears to sound similar to the following, let's then have verse 8 pertaining to the following in John 7:38 below. Who cares about verses 6-7, 10-11 in this case, right?

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Next let's consider verse 11 in light of verse 12, where BTW, we already know verse 11 can't reasonably be divorced from verses 6-10 unless one is someone, who in general, couldn't care less about interpreting and applying things in context, thus prefer to interpret verses in isolation instead. IOW, clearly, verse 11 can't precede verse 12. Therefore, verse 12 is fulfilled first which then leads to what is recorded in verses 6-11 since verse 11 can't reasonably be divorced from verses 6-10.

How then can any interpreter that expects others to take their interpretations seriously, expect others to do that when it's plainly obvious that neither verse 11 nor 12 have been fulfilled and since one can't reasonably divorce verse 11 from that of verses 6-10, this obviously means neither are verses 6-10 already fulfilled? Nor can one reasonably divorce verse 8 from verses 6-7, 9-11, like some interpreters do by applying John 7:38 to verse 8, as if verse 8 makes perfect sense on it's own, therefore, doesn't even need verses 6-7, 9-11 in order to help make any sense out of it. IOW, who cares about context and applying things in context, right?
 
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For now let's consider verse 10 first.

Zechariah 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.


This to me sounds similar to what is recorded in Zechariah 7:7 below. Except what is recorded below was already fulfilled ages ago, and that Zechariah 14:10 is not meaning Zechariah 7:7. Yet, we can use Zechariah 7:7 to get an idea of what Zechariah 14:10 looks like when fulfilled.


Zechariah 7:7 Should ye not hear the words which the LORD hath cried by the former prophets, when Jerusalem was inhabited and in prosperity, and the cities thereof round about her, when men inhabited the south and the plain?

Plus, we cannot interpret Zechariah 14:10 in isolation. It must be interpreted along with all the following, like such, in order to apply it in context rather than out of context, and in order to see the bigger picture over all.

Zechariah 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 ¶And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

No way, in any sense, has verse 11 already been fulfilled. Which then undeniably proves that neither have any of these other verses leading up to it, verses 6-10, been fulfilled either.

But let's just interpret verses 6-11 in a spiritual sense and apply these things to the here and now, spiritually. As if something meant to be taken in a spiritual sense can be south of something, Jerusalem in this case(verse 10).

Or let's just rip some of these verses out of context and apply them in isolation. For example, verse 8. Since that appears to sound similar to the following, let's then have verse 8 pertaining to the following in John 7:38 below. Who cares about verses 6-7, 10-11 in this case, right?

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Next let's consider verse 11 in light of verse 12, where BTW, we already know verse 11 can't reasonably be divorced from verses 6-10 unless one is someone, who in general, couldn't care less about interpreting and applying things in context, thus prefer to interpret verses in isolation instead. IOW, clearly, verse 11 can't precede verse 12. Therefore, verse 12 is fulfilled first which then leads to what is recorded in verses 6-11 since verse 11 can't reasonably be divorced from verses 6-10.

How then can any interpreter that expects others to take their interpretations seriously, expect others to do that when it's plainly obvious that neither verse 11 nor 12 have been fulfilled and since one can't reasonably divorce verse 11 from that of verses 6-10, this obviously means neither are verses 6-10 already fulfilled? Nor can one reasonably divorce verse 8 from verses 6-7, 9-11, like some interpreters do by applying John 7:38 to verse 8, as if verse 8 makes perfect sense on it's own, therefore, doesn't even need verses 6-7, 9-11 in order to help make any sense out of it. IOW, who cares about context and applying things in context, right?
If you are an Amillennial believer, then by His Holy Spirit you will understand Zech. 14:21 and 2 Cor. 4:7 without an explanation, which will then bring everything of Zech ch. 14 into full focus of the truth, of when exactly it was fulfilled and by Whom!
And yes! He was One of the two anointed ones. Zech. 4:14.
 
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Or let's just rip some of these verses out of context and apply them in isolation. For example, verse 8. Since that appears to sound similar to the following, let's then have verse 8 pertaining to the following in John 7:38 below. Who cares about verses 6-7, 10-11 in this case, right?

John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
God's prophetic words are NOT according to our thoughts and our ways, but according TO HIS!! Isa.55:8-9.
And the reason for the "mysterious" layout of His sentence structure and His words in the code of symbolism, is due to the following:
1Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should not stand in the WISDOM of men, but in the POWER of God.
[6] Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes [military, governmental, financial, religious etc.] of this world, that come to nought:
[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
[8] Which NONE of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
 
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The Zechariah 14 Chapter is an Old Testament Bible prophecy that gives details about Christ's future 2nd coming back to this earth.

False!

Many people mistakenly take Zechariah 14 as a prophecy about Christ’s future Second Coming, but that’s not what the passage is addressing at all. It is a symbolic prophecy about the end of the Old Testament congregation of Israel when they rejected the Messiah at His first coming.

Christ already set foot on the Mount of Olives during His earthly ministry—preaching, praying, and finally ascending into heaven. The “mountain cleaving” in Zechariah 14 is not describing a literal earthquake or physical splitting of rocks, but rather the spiritual division and collapse of Old Testament Israel. Remember, the mountains represents kingdoms. The believing remnant of Jews fled into the “valley” of safety, which is the New Testament congregation—the Church—where Christ’s true kingdom continued until the Second Coming.

The “living waters” flowing east and west symbolize the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. These waters reached backward into the Old Testament saints (the “former sea”) and forward into the New Testament saints (the “hinder sea”) from the Cross. Christ established His kingdom at the Cross and Pentecost, where His reign became spiritual, not earthly or political.

Verse 12, describing a plague where flesh and eyes and tongues consume away, is not about some future nuclear war as many claim. It’s about Israel’s spiritual judgment. Their “flesh consumed away” means the loss of their covenant role as God’s visible people. Their “eyes consumed away” means they were blinded from seeing the truth of Christ. Their “tongues consumed away” means they lost their role as God’s spokesmen, for the Word and gospel proclamation were now entrusted to the Church. This is why tongues were given at Pentecost—the sign that the New Testament congregation had become the new voice of God’s kingdom. Selah!

Finally, the Feast of Tabernacles in Zechariah 14 points to the long era of the Church—2,000 years and counting. Just as Israel once dwelt in booths to remember God’s presence with them, so the Church now dwells spiritually in Christ’s presence as we await the final consummation.

So Zechariah 14 is not predicting a future visible reign of Christ on earth. It’s about the transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant—the fall of national Israel and the rise of Christ’s spiritual kingdom, where all who believe, Jew and Gentile alike, are gathered into His Church.

Selah!
 
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False!

Many people mistakenly take Zechariah 14 as a prophecy about Christ’s future Second Coming, but that’s not what the passage is addressing at all. It is a symbolic prophecy about the end of the Old Testament congregation of Israel when they rejected the Messiah at His first coming.
Amen!
Yes! And we must not forget Malachi 3:16.
For those of Israel, who were remembered by God, were rewarded upon Jesus death and resurrection, as reported in Mat. 27. The book of Rev. called them the symbolic 144,000.
Christ already set foot on the Mount of Olives during His earthly ministry—preaching, praying, and finally ascending into heaven. The “mountain cleaving” in Zechariah 14 is not describing a literal earthquake or physical splitting of rocks, but rather the spiritual division and collapse of Old Testament Israel. The believing remnant of Jews fled into the “valley” of safety, which is the New Testament congregation—the Church—where Christ’s true kingdom continued.
Amen!
NT scriptures reveals that Jesus spent his nights on the Mt. Olives, where he often nourished his disciples in the wilderness.
The “living waters” flowing east and west symbolize the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. These waters reached backward into the Old Testament saints (the “former sea”) and forward into the New Testament saints (the “hinder sea”) from the Cross. Christ established His kingdom at the Cross and Pentecost, where His reign became spiritual, not earthly or political.
Amen!
Verse 12, describing a plague where flesh and eyes and tongues consume away, is not about some future nuclear war as many claim. It’s about Israel’s spiritual judgment. Their “flesh consumed away” means the loss of their covenant role as God’s visible people. Their “eyes consumed away” means they were blinded from seeing the truth of Christ. Their “tongues consumed away” means they lost their role as God’s spokesmen, for the Word and gospel proclamation were now entrusted to the Church. This is why tongues were given at Pentecost—the sign that the New Testament congregation had become the new voice of God’s kingdom. Selah!
Amen!
Finally, the Feast of Tabernacles in Zechariah 14 points to the long era of the Church—2,000 years and counting. Just as Israel once dwelt in booths to remember God’s presence with them, so the Church now dwells spiritually in Christ’s presence as we await the final consummation.
Amen!
Yes, as Israel lived in temporary dwelling places with God. Today, since Pentecost, the Holy Spirit of God temporarily dwells within our mortal flesh, making it His temporary abode, but now unto eternity because of the perfect work and sacrifice of Christ.
So Zechariah 14 is not predicting a future visible reign of Christ on earth. It’s about the transition from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant—the fall of national Israel and the rise of Christ’s spiritual kingdom, where all who believe, Jew and Gentile alike, are gathered into His Church.

Selah!
Amen!
Rom. 10
[12] For there is no difference [in Christ Jesus] between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
 

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Zech. 14:21 is simply stating symbolically

and prophetically that in Christ's kingdom, beginning on Pentecost, the ordinary pots [vessels] in HIS Temple building will be made to be equal for Holy use as those pots [vessels] that would be beside the altar.

2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure in [OUR] earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Gal. 6:15 (paraphrased):
Iows, in Christ Jesus, there is NO DIFFERENCE between Jew and Gentle, but rather a NEW creature [creation].

Christ's FUTURE LITERAL KINGDOM has not BEGUN YET TODAY. Only His SPIRITUAL KINGDOM is manifest here on earth today! Read what Jesus said about that in John 18:36. Christ's LITERAL KINGDOM will manifest here on earth at His future 2nd coming. That is when He shall take LITERAL REIGN over all nations and peoples, LIKE THAT ZECHARIAH 14 CHAPTER SO STATES... in Zech.14:9, Zech.14:12, Zech.14:14, and Zech.14:16-19.

The Zechariah 14:21 verse about the Canaanites being cast out of The LORD's House is NOT symbolic, but the idea of animal sacrifices in that FUTURE time is... what is symbolic. That Zechariah 14 Chapter HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET TODAY. It is future prophecy still, so those men who taught you to try and associate it as having already been fulfilled at Christ's 1st coming have LIED to you!

The Canaanite leftovers that Israel could not destroy per God's commandment in Deuteronomy 20, became bondservants to Israel and were under the Levite priests per God's Word. They became temple servants, which is what the word Nethinim means. They were cutters of wood and drawers of water for the temple in Solomon's day (1 Kings 9). That was not supposed to be allowed, no foreigner was to be allowed in the sanctuary, but only the Levites and sons of Aaron (per Book of Numbers).

By the time of Judah's captivity to Babylon, some of them had begun creeping into the priesthood. They were noticed during the return to Jerusalem, per Ezra and Nehemiah. Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the Kenites who were of the foreigner nations of Canaan per Gen.15, had become the scribes of Israel; in care of keeping the letters of God's Word from generation to generation. They sided with the blind Pharisees against Lord Jesus. If you don't know that history, it means you get an 'F' in your Bible study of The Old Testament Books.
 
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False!

Many people mistakenly take Zechariah 14 as a prophecy about Christ’s future Second Coming, but that’s not what the passage is addressing at all. It is a symbolic prophecy about the end of the Old Testament congregation of Israel when they rejected the Messiah at His first coming.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Don't listen to TribulationSigns on this matter, for he is linked to those who SPIRITUALIZE God's Literal Word for their OWN aims. Jesus did NOT fulfill anything written in the Zechariah 14 Chapter at His 1st coming!

Zechariah 14 IS... ONLY about Christ's FUTURE RETURN at His 2nd coming.
Jesus ascended to Heaven from the Mount of Olives, and to the Mount of Olives is where it is written that He will return, in like manner as He ascended, in a cloud. That is when that "day of the Lord" event will take place, at His FUTURE RETURN on the "day of the Lord" that will come "as a thief in the night"...


Notice what MAJOR EVENT is to happen on that "day of the Lord" at Christ's FUTURE 2nd coming...

2 Peter 3:10-12
10 But
the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
KJV


Therefore, if brethren cannot tell from that Bible Scripture proof that TribulationSigns is telling a LIE, and instead is serving CHARLATANS with a different agenda, then I feel sorry for you.
 
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Christ's FUTURE LITERAL KINGDOM has not BEGUN YET TODAY. Only His SPIRITUAL KINGDOM is manifest here on earth today! Read what Jesus said about that in John 18:36. Christ's LITERAL KINGDOM will manifest here on earth at His future 2nd coming. That is when He shall take LITERAL REIGN over all nations and peoples, LIKE THAT ZECHARIAH 14 CHAPTER SO STATES... in Zech.14:9, Zech.14:12, Zech.14:14, and Zech.14:16-19.

The Zechariah 14:21 verse about the Canaanites being cast out of The LORD's House is NOT symbolic, but the idea of animal sacrifices in that FUTURE time is... what is symbolic. That Zechariah 14 Chapter HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED YET TODAY. It is future prophecy still, so those men who taught you to try and associate it as having already been fulfilled at Christ's 1st coming have LIED to you!

The Canaanite leftovers that Israel could not destroy per God's commandment in Deuteronomy 20, became bondservants to Israel and were under the Levite priests per God's Word. They became temple servants, which is what the word Nethinim means. They were cutters of wood and drawers of water for the temple in Solomon's day (1 Kings 9). That was not supposed to be allowed, no foreigner was to be allowed in the sanctuary, but only the Levites and sons of Aaron (per Book of Numbers).

By the time of Judah's captivity to Babylon, some of them had begun creeping into the priesthood. They were noticed during the return to Jerusalem, per Ezra and Nehemiah. Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, the Kenites who were of the foreigner nations of Canaan per Gen.15, had become the scribes of Israel; in care of keeping the letters of God's Word from generation to generation. They sided with the blind Pharisees against Lord Jesus. If you don't know that history, it means you get an 'F' in your Bible study of The Old Testament Books.

Davy, what do you do with this verse, those Jesus called here

Mark 3:18 And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite,
 

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Davy, what do you do with this verse, those Jesus called here

Mark 3:18 And Andrew, and Philip, and Bartholomew, and Matthew, and Thomas, and James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus, and Simon the Canaanite,

That word "Canaanite" in the Aramaic means 'jealous', a zealot. It's about Simon who was a member of the Zealots. See another example here...

Luke 6:15
15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphæus,
and Simon called Zelotes,
KJV

Acts 1:13
13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus,
and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
KJV
 
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That word "Canaanite" in the Aramaic means 'jealous', a zealot. It's about Simon who was a member of the Zealots. See another example here...

Luke 6:15
15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphæus,
and Simon called Zelotes,
KJV

Acts 1:13
13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus,
and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James.
KJV

Doesn't it mean the same thing in the Hebrew?

Gen 12:6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.

Kena`aniy

  1. Canaanite = see Cana "zealous"
    adjective
    1. descendant of inhabitant of Canaan
      noun
    2. descendant or inhabitant of Canaan
    3. a merchant, trader
 

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Doesn't it mean the same thing in the Hebrew?

Gen 12:6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.

Kena`aniy

  1. Canaanite = see Cana "zealous"
    adjective
    1. descendant of inhabitant of Canaan
      noun
    2. descendant or inhabitant of Canaan
    3. a merchant, trader

I showed why that word Canannite was used in the translation, that Simon was a member of the Zealots, and that's actually why that word "Canaanite" was used.

NT:2207
zelotes (dzay-lo-tace'); from NT:2206; a "zealot":

KJV - zealous.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


ZEALOT

[ZELL uht] (devoted supporter) - a nickname given to Simon, one of Jesus' twelve apostles (Luke 6:15; Acts 1:13), perhaps to distinguish him from Simon Peter. Simon the Zealot is also called Simon the Canaanite (Matt 10:4; Mark 3:18; Cananaean, RSV; a member of the Zealot party, NEB). The Aramaic form of the name means "to be jealous" or "zealous."

Simon was given this name probably because he had been a member of a Jewish political party known as the Zealots. A Zealot was a member of a fanatical Jewish sect that militantly opposed the Roman domination of Palestine during the first century A.D. When the Jews rebelled against the Romans and tried to gain their independence, a group of the most fervent Jewish nationalists called themselves "Zealots." They thought of themselves as following in the footsteps of men like Simon and Levi (Gen 34), Phinehas (Num 25:1-13), and Elijah (1 Kings 18:40; 19:10-14) who were devoted supporters of the Lord and His laws and who were ready to fight for them.

Like the PHARISEES, the Zealots were devoted to the Jewish law and religion. But unlike most Pharisees, they thought it was treason against God to pay tribute to the Roman emperor, since God alone was Israel's king. They were willing to fight to the death for Jewish independence.
(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright © 1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
 

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Don't listen to TribulationSigns on this matter, for he is linked to those who SPIRITUALIZE God's Literal Word for their OWN aims. Jesus did NOT fulfill anything written in the Zechariah 14 Chapter at His 1st coming!

Oh boy.... my dear brother, your response shows the very problem of forcing a literal interpretation onto a symbolic prophecy. By doing so, you merge completely different events into one “Day of the Lord” when Scripture itself distinguishes them.

Yes, the New Testament does speak of a future Day of the Lord (2 Peter 3:10–12, 1 Thess. 5:2) when Christ returns for final judgment. I agree with you on that. But that is not the same “Day of the Lord” Zechariah 14 is describing.

In the Old Testament, the “Day of the Lord” is a recurring theme—sometimes referring to God’s judgment on Egypt, Babylon, Edom, and other nations. It doesn’t mean the final end of the world. It simply means a time when God comes in judgment. Zechariah 14 is one such “Day of the Lord,” and it concerns the judgment upon Old Covenant Israel when they rejected their Messiah.

Once again, please notice:
  • Christ was already on the Mount of Olives in His first coming. He preached there, prayed there, wept over Jerusalem from there, declared her house being desolate, and ascended into heaven from there. The language of the “mountain splitting” is symbolic of the breaking apart of Old Covenant Israel, with the remnant fleeing into the safety of the New Covenant Church (the “valley”).
  • The “living waters” clearly symbolize the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost—flowing back to the saints of the Old Covenant and forward into the New Covenant. That is not something waiting for the future; it is already reality since Acts 2.
  • The plague of verse 12 is not nuclear war—it is the blindness of Israel. Their flesh, eyes, and tongue “consumed away” is symbolic of them losing their covenant standing, spiritual sight, and role as God’s spokesmen. The fact that tongues were given to the Church at Pentecost proves this transfer of authority.
  • The Feast of Tabernacles being kept by all nations is not a millennial future camping trip—it is the ongoing era of the Church, as the nations are gathered under Christ for the past 2,000 years.
So, brother, your error is that you collapse every “Day of the Lord” into one future event. But Scripture itself does not do that. Just as Babylon’s fall was a “Day of the Lord,” and Egypt’s judgment was a “Day of the Lord,” so too was the fall of Old Covenant Israel. Zechariah 14 is about that day—the end of the Old Testament congregation and the beginning of Christ’s New Covenant kingdom.

So I am not “spiritualizing away” the text. I am letting Scripture interpret Scripture. The literalist approach is actually what blinds people from seeing Christ’s work at His first coming and at Pentecost, where He established His kingdom. :gd
 
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