Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[WPM]

What did you think Jesus meant by the idea that he was going away to receive a kingdom? You already admit that Jesus was the ruler of a spiritual kingdom before he left the earth. He doesn't travel to heaven to receive something he already has. He goes to heaven to receive a political kingdom, which is a domain that he lacks.

You're not here to address the truth. You are here to push your heresy. There is no reasoning with you.

Jesus will receive His spiritual kingdom when He comes. There is no political kingdom in heaven. That is all in your head. That is why you cannot prove it. This is just another false teaching to add to the many you promote. That is why no one aligns with your heretical views and supports you here. You are on your own with your religious imaginations.

 

[WPM]

Your answers indicate that you lack a defense. At this point, since you can't raise an objection, you should consider whether you were mistaken.

The opposite is the truth. Multiples posts, and multiple Scriptures above have been ducked around. They are testimony to the fact that your doctrine is untenable.

This has to be one of the most one-sided discussion i have seen yet no this forum.

 

[WPM]

I agree. Remember I pointed out that Jesus was already the King of a Spiritual kingdom when he told the parable of the Nobleman, which is an analogy describing Jesus going to a far country to receive a political kingdom.

Show me. Where is Jesus enforcing his political will?

They are still alive, breathing, and killing Christians and Jews. Are you sure your eyes are open?

Philippians 2:9 speaks to Jesus' current status as the Son whom God has given supreme authority. Verse 10, locates the manifestation of his reign in the future when "every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.


Presumably, angels and authorities and powers are friendly to Jesus. He is currently ruling among friends.

The elect angels and God's people are already submitted to the kingship of Christ. They are under His sovereign authority. They belong to His spiritual kingdom. But Christ's kingship extends wider than that. He is king over all creation as God. What He says goes. What He doesn't allow doesn't go. The rebel cannot do as he wishes. He can only do what Christ permits.

Jesus is described in Revelation 3:7 as: “he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key (or authority) of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth.”

He holds all power (without qualification). After all, He is God! God either causes or permits - as He is God and He is sovereign. Simple! That is an explicit biblical truth and a Christian fundamental. The powerful language that accompanies the mention of Christ holding the key of David proves that this is referring to His majestic power and might.

Heaven’s authority is bestowed upon Christ. He is God! Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15 confirms: "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power … Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

He is risen and He is reigning! He is ruling over everything! This is happening right now! Check out the actual original text and check out the tenses involved. Christ’s universal rule, which is found in His divine character, exercises supreme authority over everything and everyone that exists. This dominion is seen in His sovereign dealing with mankind, whether it is with an individual person or with accumulation of nations – all are subject to his controlling power and ultimate influence. Such authority could be justly described as Christ’s providential kingship.

I Corinthians 8:6 says: “there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

Read the text: all things exist through and by Jesus Christ the Son of God. The inspired text refutes your claims. He is Lord, meaning God. He carries sovereign authority and dominion over all creation and every creature. That is because he is the Creator. In Acts 10:36 Paul significantly said of “Jesus Christ,” that “he is Lord of all.”

 

[WPM]

Perhaps you thought it was evidence, but it wasn't. When we make an argument, we must avoid assuming our conclusion in the core of our argument.

If by "explain it away" you mean "present a counterargument," then I agree. That is what I do. To summarize, John teaches us that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and that one of the most significant roles assigned to Jesus is to "exegete" God. In other words, Jesus came as a human being to make God more tangible and understandable to us.

Those who study God's word might find themselves in disagreement with orthodoxy. I tend to avoid discussing such subjects, but you insisted. I can't be untruthful when confronted.

Is censorship good or evil? That is a question that remains open in our society today. Most reasonable people appreciate the opportunity to hear both sides of the argument.


You and I are not speaking for the board. So there is no possibility that someone would mistakenly believe that they support what I say.

I never said otherwise.

I kindly accept your reminder, but surely, if you have been reading my responses, you have seen me say the same thing.
Objectively speaking, the New Testament fills out and explains what that means. Jesus was born, he learned wisdom, he studied his Bible, he obeyed his mother, he got a job, he grew to adulthood, he ate lunch and drank water, he made friends, he started a school, Satan tempted him, he was crucified, and he died. Everything about Jesus is relatable to us because he was one of us. He was the best of us.

Paul acknowledged that Jesus lived as a man, and John emphasized the importance of the fact that the Messiah came in the flesh.


Yes, and so was Jesus.


I disagree. Jesus and Yahweh have a subject/object relationship. Jesus obeys Yahweh. Jesus said to Yahweh, "Your will be done." Jesus called Yahweh "Father," and God called Jesus "My Son."

The passage you quoted from Hebrews demonstrates this perfectly. Paul argues that God has appointed his Son to be heir of all things. If Jesus was another name for Yahweh, there would be no subject/object relation between them and Paul's statement about the Son wouldn't make any sense.

Concerning your understanding of the Greek term charakter, I would add this. The Greek word "χαρακτήρ" (charaktḗr) originally referred to an engraving tool or the mark left by such a tool. Over time, it came to mean an impression, stamp, or exact representation—something that reflects the essence of the original -- Character, exact ...](https://biblehub.com/greek/5481.htm).

In philosophical and biblical contexts, χαρακτήρ was used to describe an exact likeness or precise reproduction, often in reference to divine or ideal forms. For example, in the New Testament, it appears in Hebrews 1:3, where Christ is described as the "express image" of God's nature (Charakter Meaning - Greek Lexicon | New Testament (NAS)).

Paul argues that Jesus, the man, is the exact representation of God's nature. And I described this earlier as "representational identity" because John says that Jesus is the exegesis of God. John 1:18 states that Jesus "has explained" God, meaning that Christ is the full revelation of who God is. Jesus is emphasizing that Jesus is not just a messenger of God; He is the very expression and interpretation of God himself.


You are mistaken. The phrase "Son of God" doesn't indicate that God sired a Son to produce a copy of himself. The phrase "Son of God" is a political category instituted by God during the time of David.

Yes, the phrase "Son of God" has political significance in the Book of Samuel, particularly in relation to kingship. In the ancient Near East, rulers were often seen as having a divine connection, and in Israel, this idea was adapted to emphasize the king’s special relationship with God rather than literal divinity.

In 2 Samuel 7, God makes a covenant with David, declaring that his descendants will rule Israel and that God will be a father to them. This establishes the Davidic kingship as divinely sanctioned, reinforcing the idea that the king is God's chosen ruler. The term "Son of God" in this context signifies legitimacy, divine favor, and authority, rather than a claim to divinity.

I agree with your view that the Word was manifested physically in the person of Jesus Christ. I disagree with your view that Jesus had two natures, which is a nonsensical concept.

1. Do you believe that Jesus currently possesses “All power [Gr. exousia or right, privilege and authority] … in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).
2. Do you believe that “All things that the Father hath are” Christ’s (John 16:15).
3. Do you believe that the Father has indeed given Jesus “power over all flesh” (John 17:2)?
4. Do you believe that “All things are delivered” unto Jesus of His “Father” (Matthew 11:27 or that He has “given all things into his (Christ’s) hand” (John 3:35 and John 13:3)?
5. Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
6. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
7. Do you believe that “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him” (1 Peter 3:22 says)?
8. Do you believe that Christ is indeed "the archon (or ruler) of the kings of the earth" (Revelation 1:5)?
9. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
10. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
11. Do you believe that Christ has become "the ruler of God’s creation" (Revelation 3:14)?
12. Do you believe that Jesus has already "spoiled principalities and powers ... made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:15)?
13. Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

1. Do you believe that Jesus currently possesses “All power [Gr. exousia or right, privilege and authority] … in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).
2. Do you believe that “All things that the Father hath are” Christ’s (John 16:15).
3. Do you believe that the Father has indeed given Jesus “power over all flesh” (John 17:2)?
4. Do you believe that “All things are delivered” unto Jesus of His “Father” (Matthew 11:27 or He has “given all things into his (Christ’s) hand” (John 3:35 and John 13:3)?
5. Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
6. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
7. When are “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now or in the age to come?
8. When was/does Christ become ruler over the kings of the earth, now only or also in the future (Revelation 1:5)?
9. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
10. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning now over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
11. When did/does Christ become the ruler of God’s creation (Revelation 3:14)?
12. Do you believe that Jesus has already spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:115)?
13. Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?

Since he will never answer these questions, I would like to answer them all. My answer is a resounding "YES!" to all of these questions! All praise, honor, glory and power to our great God and Savior Jesus Christ!

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Stop saying you believe that Jesus is God when you don't believe that. You believe He is the image of God, as you understand that, but do not believe He is God. And don't lie by saying He is identical to God when we know that God created all things, but You say Jesus did not and that God is all powerful and omnipresent but you say Jesus is not.

I believe that Jesus is God, as the Bible teaches. I have already shown you what the Bible teaches. Do you have any questions?

 

[CadyandZoe]

You're not here to address the truth. You are here to push your heresy. There is no reasoning with you.

Jesus will receive His spiritual kingdom when He comes. There is no political kingdom in heaven. That is all in your head. That is why you cannot prove it. This is just another false teaching to add to the many you promote. That is why no one aligns with your heretical views and supports you here. You are on your own with your religious imaginations.

Try to remain calm and address the issues at hand. Appealing to emotion and engaging in insulting behavior is not a blessing to others.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The opposite is the truth. Multiples posts, and multiple Scriptures above have been ducked around. They are testimony to the fact that your doctrine is untenable.

This has to be one of the most one-sided discussion i have seen yet no this forum.

I am grateful to have this opportunity to discuss this topic with you and the others, and to highlight the many flaws in your logic and thinking.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The elect angels and God's people are already submitted to the kingship of Christ. They are under His sovereign authority. They belong to His spiritual kingdom. But Christ's kingship extends wider than that. He is king over all creation as God.

Repeating something doesn't make it true. You claim, without proof, that Christ is presently ruling over the Earth among his enemies and yet we see contrary evidence in the world right now.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Since he will never answer these questions, I would like to answer them all. My answer is a resounding "YES!" to all of these questions! All praise, honor, glory and power to our great God and Savior Jesus Christ!

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

I have already answered all of those questions.

 

[WPM]

Try to remain calm and address the issues at hand. Appealing to emotion and engaging in insulting behavior is not a blessing to others.

Jesus will receive His spiritual kingdom when He comes. There is no political kingdom in heaven. That is all in your head. That is why you cannot prove it. This is just another false teaching to add to the many you promote. That is why no one aligns with your heretical views and supports you here. You are on your own with your religious imaginations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I believe that Jesus is God, as the Bible teaches. I have already shown you what the Bible teaches. Do you have any questions?

I have one question. Why do you lie and say you believe that Jesus is God when you don't actually believe that?

God created all things. You do not believe that Jesus created all things. Therefore, you do not believe that Jesus is God.

God is all powerful. You do not believe that Jesus is all powerful. Therefore, you do not believe that Jesus is God.

God is omnipresent. You do not believe that Jesus is omnipresent. Therefore, you do not believe that Jesus is God.

Do you have any questions?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have already answered all of those questions.

No, you have not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Try to remain calm and address the issues at hand. Appealing to emotion and engaging in insulting behavior is not a blessing to others.

Congratulations on remaining calm while sharing your heretical beliefs. I'm sure that is impressing everyone here. I mean, God forbid anyone being passionate about what they believe, right? Oh, the horror.

 

[WPM]

Repeating something doesn't make it true. You claim, without proof, that Christ is presently ruling over the Earth among his enemies and yet we see contrary evidence in the world right now.

Your rejection of Christ's current sovereign rule emanates from a need to support Premil and from a misconception of what Royal rule actually looks like. In trying to justify your doctrine, you strip Jesus of His supreme authority over all things in heaven and on earth. You dethrone Christ from His lofty position enthroned on high. You make man and Satan sovereign, doing as they wish, as Christ watches on helplessly and impotently from a powerless position on His throne, incapable of permitting and forbidding man in his devices, when in fact Scriptures teaches the opposite. The Jesus you perceive is helpless to counteract the wicked schemes of demons and men. He is unable of providing and protecting His children.

Kingly rule never suggests wholesale submission to the Monarch's will from every subject. There are rebels that live under the king's sovereign authority. Christ reigns intimately over His new creation as man's Messiah and Savior. He reigns sovereignly over all creation as Lord (God).

There are many rebels under Christ's sovereign control today.

Read what Jesus said in Luke 19:12-27: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”

A significant point relating to this “certain nobleman” is that whilst He goes away for an unspecified period, He will assuredly return. In verse 12 it affirms, that He is going “to return” and in verse 13 we see the instruction, “Occupy till I come.” This again assures us that this same Jesus that ascended up into heaven will one-day return again and judge the world. In fact, this whole parable is focused upon the judgement.

The time period in question, where these servants operate, is the Gospel age. The servants are those who profess Christ and who will either be caught up or caught on at His Coming. This parable impresses upon us all that there is a future day in which actions and motives of all will be righteously examined.

His citizens understood they were to be in subjection to Him while He was away. His return is depicted as the day of reckoning. Those who do not submit to His reign will face the awful consequences when He returns. Those who reject Christ’s reign in their lives are the enemies of God (whether Jew or Gentile) and will thus face eternal judgement on that day.

 

[WPM]

I believe that Jesus is God, as the Bible teaches. I have already shown you what the Bible teaches. Do you have any questions?

You reject that. That is not true!

 

[WPM]

I have already answered all of those questions.

No you have not! Can you tell the truth for once?

Show us what post you addressed them?

 

[Doug]

Christ Jesus’ Future “Kingdom on Earth” will Not have flesh and blood “occupants / residents / inhabitants”.
The “nations” outside of Christ Jesus’ earthly Kingdom…shall have flesh and blood human “occupants / residents/ inhabitants / citizens”

Well the sheep in Matthew 25:32 certainly will go in with mortal bodies because they will have children

As far as the saints that survive the tribulation goes I dont have a clear passage that says they will have mortal bodies to enter the kingdom but there are a couple verses in Isaiah that could apply..............................[Isa 65:22-23 KJV] 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree [are] the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they [are] the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

Also there is only the resurrection of the just and that would be found in Rev 20:4-6............I guess the saints out of tribulation would have to be included

 

[CadyandZoe]

1. Do you believe that Jesus currently possesses “All power [Gr. exousia or right, privilege and authority] … in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).
2. Do you believe that “All things that the Father hath are” Christ’s (John 16:15).
3. Do you believe that the Father has indeed given Jesus “power over all flesh” (John 17:2)?
4. Do you believe that “All things are delivered” unto Jesus of His “Father” (Matthew 11:27 or that He has “given all things into his (Christ’s) hand” (John 3:35 and John 13:3)?
5. Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
6. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
7. Do you believe that “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him” (1 Peter 3:22 says)?
8. Do you believe that Christ is indeed "the archon (or ruler) of the kings of the earth" (Revelation 1:5)?
9. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
10. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
11. Do you believe that Christ has become "the ruler of God’s creation" (Revelation 3:14)?
12. Do you believe that Jesus has already "spoiled principalities and powers ... made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:15)?
13. Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?

Do you believe that Jesus currently possesses “All power [Gr. exousia or right, privilege and authority] … in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18).
Jesus says he has been granted all authority. He doesn't say that he has "all power."

Do you believe that “All things that the Father hath are” Christ’s (John 16:15).
In this context, the "all things" under review are truths that God intends to communicate to his people through Jesus.

Do you believe that the Father has indeed given Jesus “power over all flesh” (John 17:2)?
The "all flesh" in this context are the people whom God has given to Jesus, who comprise people from all nations, tongues, and peoples.

Do you believe that “All things are delivered” unto Jesus of His “Father” (Matthew 11:27)
The "all things" in this context are all the teachings that Jesus presented to his people.

or that He has “given all things into his (Christ’s) hand” (John 3:35 and John 13:3)?
In this context, the "all things" refer to Jesus' situations and circumstances. God is working everything that happens to Jesus to his benefit.

Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
Yes, God has granted Jesus authority to judge.

Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
In this context, Paul discusses the authority of Jesus to discern what is true and what is false regarding God's will. Jesus not only has the authority to dictate what we believe and what we do, all other spiritual teachers and guides must agree with what he teaches.

Do you believe that “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him” (1 Peter 3:22 says)?
Peter is telling his readers when Jesus sat down at the right hand of the Father. This took place after angels, authorities and powers had been subjected to him.

Do you believe that Christ is indeed "the archon (or ruler) of the kings of the earth" (Revelation 1:5)?
John is saying that Jesus is the chief among the kings of the Earth. He isn't saying that Jesus is currently enforcing his rule over them.

When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
Christ will reign during the millennial period, which Paul calls "the end" when God will place all of Jesus enemies under his feet.

1 Corinthians 15:25-28 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet”
On the contrary, Paul is talking about "the end" when Christ will subdue all of God's enemies. John refers to that time period as the Millennium.

Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet”
Paul is talking about the status of Jesus, and it that context, the salient issue is Jesus' right to correct the Jewish authorities. This is one of the spiritual blessings that God gave to the Jews first then to the Greeks. Jesus is the ultimate authority on God's will for mankind.

Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.”
Paul applies this verse to Jesus, which predicts that his throne will go on forever and the critical and essential aspect of his throne will be righteousness. Since we know that Jesus will begin to rule when he returns, his throne will be forever from that moment forward.

How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning over His enemies now?
If Jesus' earthly reign had already begun, we would both see it and experience it.

How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
We don't see him enforcing his rule over the Earth, which is why the Bible speaks about that concept in the future tense.

Do you believe that Christ has become "the ruler of God’s creation" (Revelation 3:14)?
The passage you cite is silent on the subject.

Do you believe that Jesus has already "spoiled principalities and powers ... made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:15)?
Yes.

Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?
Yes.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Jesus will receive His spiritual kingdom when He comes.

He already had a spiritual kingdom when he left. He went to heaven in order to receive a political kingdom.

There is no political kingdom in heaven.

Where is your evidence?

That is why no one aligns with your heretical views and supports you here. You are on your own with your religious imaginations.

The truth stands on its own and does not depend on the majority.