Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is exactly what Siritual Isralite wrote in post #988 here above you
Are you both getting this from the same source?

LOL. No. He just copied what I said because you need to read it carefully and learn something from it.

Here is the answer I gave him,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
There can be two households one of believing Israel and one the body of Christ,,,,,,,,that doesnt mean the body of Christ is a priesthood
There are two churches one of believing Israel and one the body of Christ just as there can be two households

Scripture never teaches this nonsense. There are not two churches and two households. You cannot find any scripture teaching that. You made it up in your imagination.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The other sheep are the Jews scattered into other nations

No, His other sheep are Gentile believers. You need to ask God for wisdom because you seem to have none at all right now (James 1:5-7).

 

[Doug]

Not true. We Gentiles who have been grafted into believing israel.

If you want it to be about you then you have to accept being broken off as well..............[Rom 11:20-21 KJV] 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you want it to be about you then you have to accept being broken off as well..............[Rom 11:20-21 KJV] 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

What are you talking about? Are you denying that Gentile believers were grafted into the cultivated olive tree? After the unbelieving Israelites were broken off, only the remnant of believing Israelites and believing Gentiles remained in the cultivated olive tree. Do you deny that?

 

[Doug]

What are you talking about? Are you denying that Gentile believers were grafted into the cultivated olive tree? After the unbelieving Israelites were broken off, only the remnant of believing Israelites and believing Gentiles remained in the cultivated olive tree. Do you deny that?

I am saying that if you want to be grafted as a Gentile then you could be broken off as well from unbelief......the Gentiles grafted in were by believing the preaching of Peter not Paul

 

[TribulationSigns]

In the body of Christ we are a new creature a new man

So were the Jews of the Old Testament. We are all part of ONE COVENANT TREE, starting with the Jews. Selah!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am saying that if you want to be grafted as a Gentile then you could be broken off as well from unbelief.

You mean broken off because of unbelief? Yeah. So?

.....the Gentiles grafted in were by believing the preaching of Peter not Paul

Paul was the apostles of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13), so he preached to Gentiles, also. So, I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

 

[Doug]

So were the Jews of the Old Testament. We are all part of ONE COVENANT TREE, starting with the Jews. Selah!

There was no mention in the OT of Jews and Gentiles forming a new creature........it was a mystery not known til Paul

 

[Doug]

You mean broken off because of unbelief? Yeah. So?

In this dispensation we are saved by grace thru faith and are sealed and justified unto eternal life......I cant be broken off and in fact not grafted in to Israel

 

[Doug]

Paul was the apostles of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13), so he preached to Gentiles, also. So, I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

There was an election of grace at the time Paul wrote Romans

This is the church Paul persecuted and was in existence at that time.........Paul had fellow laborers from this church

[Rom 11:13 KJV] 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

We arent the only Gentiles..............the Gentiles he spoke of arent Gentiles in the body of Christ................the Gentiles here are those Gentiles who were placed into the believing remnant of Israel by believing on the name of Christ; .this is the remnant of Romans 11:5.............this can be seen in Acts 10 ...........[Act 10:43-45 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

These are the Gentiles grafted in NOT US the body of Christ Gentiles but rather the Gentiles in the church of the believing remnant of Israel

 

[TribulationSigns]

There was no mention in the OT of Jews and Gentiles forming a new creature........it was a mystery not known til Paul

Heb 11:13
(13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

They all died sanctified in faith as believers, not actually seeing Christ yet but receiving salvation through the promise Of God's covenant.

Heb 11:24-25
(24) By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
(25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

That faith is saving belief, the grace of God's spirit working in him to sanctify him so his will was to do, and thus he believed. Even though Christ had not yet come to confirm the Covenant with Him, in efficacy he is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world for Old Testament saints. It was already foreordained that they should be under grace. This biblical principle is illustrated in Revelation 13.

Rev 13:8
(8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Also do you realized that the Holy Spirit did work in the Old Testament? Yes, He did!

Zec 14:8-9
(8) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
(9) And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

The Holy Spirit as the Living Water came from the Cross, and half of it went toward the former sea, the Old Testament Saints, and the hinder sea, the New Testament Saints. The Holy Spirit did come upon individuals in the Old Testament per Ex odus 31:3, 2nd Samuel 23:2, Judges 3:10; 6:34; 11:29). Therefore, the Holy Spirit did sanctify the Old Testament Saints like we are today, and they all were made new creatures in Christ before the foundation of the Earth. Selah!

 

[Doug]

Heb 11:13
(13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

They all died sanctified in faith as believers, not actually seeing Christ yet but receiving salvation through the promise Of God's covenant.

Heb 11:24-25
(24) By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
(25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;

That faith is saving belief, the grace of God's spirit working in him to sanctify him so his will was to do, and thus he believed. Even though Christ had not yet come to confirm the Covenant with Him, in efficacy he is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world for Old Testament saints. It was already foreordained that they should be under grace. This biblical principle is illustrated in Revelation 13.

Rev 13:8
(8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Also do you realized that the Holy Spirit did work in the Old Testament? Yes, He did!

Zec 14:8-9
(8) And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
(9) And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

The Holy Spirit as the Living Water came from the Cross, and half of it went toward the former sea, the Old Testament Saints, and the hinder sea, the New Testament Saints. The Holy Spirit did come upon individuals in the Old Testament per Ex odus 31:3, 2nd Samuel 23:2, Judges 3:10; 6:34; 11:29). Therefore, the Holy Spirit did sanctify the Old Testament Saints like we are today, and they all were made new creatures in Christ before the foundation of the Earth. Selah!

None of this says that a new creature was formed before the body of Christ was formed

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In this dispensation we are saved by grace thru faith and are sealed and justified unto eternal life......I cant be broken off and in fact not grafted in to Israel

So, you disagree with Paul who said in Romans 11:22 that Gentiles can be broken off? As always, I'm going to side with scripture over you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

There was an election of grace at the time Paul wrote Romans

This is the church Paul persecuted and was in existence at that time.........Paul had fellow laborers from this church

[Rom 11:13 KJV] 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

We arent the only Gentiles..............the Gentiles he spoke of arent Gentiles in the body of Christ................the Gentiles here are those Gentiles who were placed into the believing remnant of Israel by believing on the name of Christ; .this is the remnant of Romans 11:5.............this can be seen in Acts 10 ...........[Act 10:43-45 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

These are the Gentiles grafted in NOT US the body of Christ Gentiles but rather the Gentiles in the church of the believing remnant of Israel

LOL. This is pure nonsense. You cannot be taken seriously. You're not worth my, or anyone else's, time.

 

[Doug]

So, you disagree with Paul who said in Romans 11:22 that Gentiles can be broken off? As always, I'm going to side with scripture over you.

I showed you in post#1010 who the Gentiles are and who is broken off..................
[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

These are the Gentiles grafted in NOT US the body of Christ Gentiles but rather the Gentiles in the church of the believing remnant of Israel

How is this saying that I said Gentiles cant be broken off? I am saying it is talking about Gentiles in the remnant of Israel

 

[Doug]

LOL. This is pure nonsense. You cannot be taken seriously. You're not worth my, or anyone else's, time.

It is supported by the scriptures I gave you which you have not refuted by other scriptures

 

[Wish-it]

Paul made it very clear that mortal flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.

But, Premillennialism contradicts this by having "the righteous" with mortal flesh and blood bodies that are represented by "the sheep" inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world..........41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels..........46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Notice here that "the righteous" who are represented by "the sheep" inherit "eternal life" in the kingdom of God prepared since the creation of the world. Since they are inheriting eternal life, that means they must have immortal bodies since only those with immortal bodies could inherit eternal life. And, again, Paul clearly taught that only those with immortal bodies can inherit the kingdom of God.

Since the rest, represented by "the goats", are instead cast "into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" at that point, who are the mortals that would populate a future earthly millennial kingdom at that point and where are they? Nowhere. There would not be any mortals to populate an earthly kingdom at that point since all who inherit the kingdom will have immortal bodies and everyone else (the goats, which are unbelievers) are cast into the eternal fire.

So, I believe 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and Matthew 25:31-46 clearly support Amillennialism rather than Premillennialism since I see no reasonable way to reconcile these passages with Premillennialism. At least not the Premillennial view that most Premills have. I know there are some Premills, like the SDAs, who would agree with what I'm saying here except they would say that the righteous then go to heaven for a thousand years while the earth remains desolate during that time. There's a few who believe that immortals alone populate the earth during the thousand years as well, so I guess I'm not really talking about them, either.

But, Premillennialism contradicts this by having "the righteous" with mortal flesh and blood bodies

Im premill apparently but dont believe that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Im premill apparently but dont believe that.

I don't know what you were intending to say here. Please clarify.

 

[Wish-it]

I don't know what you were intending to say here. Please clarify.

Im saying I dont believe the righteous have mortal flesh and blood bodies. Those whobmeet the Lord in the air, will put on imperishable bodies. So some Premill have differing beliefs.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Im saying I dont believe the righteous have mortal flesh and blood bodies. Those whobmeet the Lord in the air, will put on imperishable bodies. So some Premill have differing beliefs.

Okay, so you believe the sheep in Matthew 25:31-46 will not have mortal flesh and blood bodies, right? Do you understand the point I'm making in this thread? In Matthew 25:31-46 the sheep, who are called "the righteous" (Matt 25:46), inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world. And this will happens when Jesus comes with His angels. Agree? And it shows the goats being cast into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels at that time for everlasting punishment (Matt 25:41,46). Agree? If so, who are the ones that you think will populate the earth at that time with mortal flesh and blood bodies?