Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

[Spiritual Israelite]

I do believe it.

You do not believe that Jesus is God and you are deceptively trying to hide that.

It does not follow that since Jesus didn't create all things, he is not God. It doesn't follow that since Jesus isn't omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent, that He isn't God.

Yes, it absolutely does. Those are all things that are true about God and you say that none of those things describe Jesus. So, you do not believe that Jesus is God.

John said that the word became flesh and dwelt among us and that Jesus is the exegesis of God. Paul said that Jesus is the image of God, and that, as a man, he is the exact representation of God.

In your view all of that means almost nothing because, in your view, none of that means He is actually God as scripture teaches. Scripture teaches that He created all things and reigns over all things, but you deny that because you don't want to actually acknowledge that He is God. You say that He is only a man and that He is the image of God, whatever that means to you. But, scripture says He is not just a man, but also is fully God and created all things, reigns over all things and is all powerful just as scripture teaches about God.

Study the concept of "sameness" to understand what the Bible says about the relationship between the Father and the Son.

Stop ignoring or explaining away the scriptures which teach that Jesus created all things and reigns over all things so that you can see that He is fully God and fully man at the same time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you have the authority to tell me what to think?

Yes, I do. Whether you acknowledge it or not is your choice, but I do have that authority whether you know it or not. I know the truth about Jesus and you do not and I have the authority to rebuke your false teaching about Jesus.

 

[WPM]

Apparently, you didn't learn anything from your previous mistakes. Taking a single verse out of context allows one to make them say what one wants to hear.

Talk about avoidance! You have a lot to hide. You cannot answer simple orthodox questions because you are a heretic.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When did I reject that Jesus is God?

You have many times. You do not acknowledge that He has the attributes of God. You instead reply with your religious doublespeak saying He is a man and is the image of God and so on, but you never actually acknowledge that He is God as the Bible describes God. You deny that He created all things. You deny that He is all powerful. You deny that He is omnipresent. So, you do reject that Jesus is God whether you actually use those words to say so or not. Everyone here can see that. You are not fooling anyone, especially Jesus Himself. Your blasphemy will not go unpunished if you do not repent.

 

[WPM]

Inventing terms is very common in human communication. I'm sure you're familiar with that, aren't you? I believe you are. And I can't believe you don't know what I mean by a "political kingdom."

A spiritual kingdom is often understood as a realm or domain that transcends the physical world—one governed by spiritual principles rather than earthly power or material wealth.

A spiritual kingdom is not a physical kingdom with borders but rather a spiritual domain where God's will is followed. A political kingdom has borders, and it is a physical kingdom with subjects that obey the king out of respect.

Jesus was the head of a Spiritual kingdom before he left the earth. Paul describes his kingdom as a kingdom of light, populated by "holy ones." In addition, Jesus taught his disciples that he was going away to a far country to receive a kingdom. We discussed the fact that his parable was based on a historical event, when Herod the Great traveled to Rome to receive his kingship from the Roman Senate. In the same manner, Jesus went to heaven to receive a kingdom from his Father.

This event is described in Daniel chapter 7

Answer the question and stop avoiding. It is clear you have zero evidence to support your claims. You make it up as you go. Don't bring it up again until you have evidence. We know that you have nothing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I examined who would enter the kingdom more and would say the saints that survive the tribulation could be in their mortal bodies or they could be raised at the last day..................[Jhn 6:40 KJV] 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day................the last day is not defined but could be the end of the tribulation and his coming
It does remain that the sheep of Matthew 25 will enter with mortal bodies

Too bad you deny the millennial reign when scripture clearly says he will reign for a thousand years

I do not deny that the thousand years occurs, I just don't interpret the thousand years literally like you do or as taking place after Christ's return as you do. The sheep cannot inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world with immortal bodies because it says they will inherit "eternal life", which means they cannot die after that. You apparently refuse to look at the text in Matthew 25:31-46 carefully.

 

[WPM]

Apparently, you didn't learn anything from your previous mistakes. Taking a single verse out of context allows one to make them say what one wants to hear.

The Word of God is your enemy. That is why you cannot embrace what the Scripture actually says in all these passages.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You asked me to share them. You now regret it?

LOL. What are you talking about? Is this just some big game you are playing? That is what I suspect. You make it impossible to take you seriously. Jesus is God and has all of the attributes of God (created all things, all powerful, omnipresent, etc.). Period. End of story.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You do not believe that Jesus is God and you are deceptively trying to hide that.

I do believe that Jesus is God in the way that the Bible means it.

Yes, it absolutely does. Those are all things that are true about God and you say that none of those things describe Jesus. So, you do not believe that Jesus is God.

The Bible teaches us that Jesus is human by nature. A human being is not omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscient.

In your view all of that means almost nothing because, in your view, none of that means He is actually God as scripture teaches.

The Bible doesn't teach that Jesus is God by nature. It teaches that Jesus is a man who is the Word become flesh, the exegesis of God, and the image of God.

Scripture teaches that He created all things and reigns over all things, but you deny that because you don't want to actually acknowledge that He is God.

I deny it because the Bible teaches that God created the world.

You say that He is only a man and that He is the image of God, whatever that means to you.

I never said that Jesus is "only a man". He is the image of God they way that Paul meant it.

But, scripture says He is not just a man, but also is fully God and created all things, reigns over all things and is all powerful just as scripture teaches about God.

The scripture teaches that Jesus is a man. He was born of the Virgin Mary. He had parents. He grew in wisdom. He walked everywhere. He ate lunch. He drank water. He got tired. He prayed to the Father. He was tempted by Satan. He doesn't know the times or seasons. He suffered. He died. He was resurrected. He ascended.

God knows the times and seasons. He is omniscient. Jesus doesn't know the times and seasons. He is not omniscient. God is wise. Jesus grew in wisdom. God is omnipresent. Jesus walked around. He is not omnipresent. God is all-powerful. Jesus needs Angels to protect him.

The fact that Jesus lacks these attributes, being a man, does not mean he isn't God. He isn't God by nature, but he is God by identity.

Stop ignoring or explaining away the scriptures which teach that Jesus created all things and reigns over all things so that you can see that He is fully God and fully man at the same time.

Do you mind if I disagree with your interpretation of scripture?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes, I do. Whether you acknowledge it or not is your choice, but I do have that authority whether you know it or not. I know the truth about Jesus and you do not and I have the authority to rebuke your false teaching about Jesus.

Are you an Apostle?

 

[CadyandZoe]

Talk about avoidance! You have a lot to hide. You cannot answer simple orthodox questions because you are a heretic.

Try to speak to the issue at hand.

 

[WPM]

Try to speak to the issue at hand.

I did. You avoided every question. You have to.

 

[WPM]

Are you an Apostle?

He is a child of God. He carries authority.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You have many times. You do not acknowledge that He has the attributes of God.

And so far, you have not proven that he does. Neither have you proven that it is necessary.

you never actually acknowledge that He is God as the Bible describes God.

I acknowledged that He is God as the Bible describes a human being who is the image of God, the exegesis of God, the word become flesh.

You deny that He created all things.

Of course, Jesus didn't create all things. He was born thousands of years after the world was created.

You deny that He is all powerful. You deny that He is omnipresent.

That's right and I showed you why.

So, you do reject that Jesus is God whether you actually use those words to say so or not.

I disagree with your point of view that someone needs to use your wording to speak the truth. Attempt to understand what I mean by my words, and you might agree with me.

Everyone here can see that. You are not fooling anyone, especially Jesus Himself. Your blasphemy will not go unpunished if you do not repent.

I can see this subject makes you uncomfortable. Why did you bring it up? Try to stay on topic, which is an attempted objection to the Premillennial viewpoint.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I did. You avoided every question. You have to.

In your previous post, I saw nothing that spoke to the issue of Premillennialism.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Answer the question and stop avoiding. It is clear you have zero evidence to support your claims. You make it up as you go. Don't bring it up again until you have evidence. We know that you have nothing.

Present evidence to support your objections.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The Word of God is your enemy. That is why you cannot embrace what the Scripture actually says in all these passages.

On the contrary, my issue is with your interpretation of the passages, which is faulty due to the fact that you took them out of context.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I do believe that Jesus is God in the way that the Bible means it.

No, you do not. You just lie habitually. The Bible says that Jesus created all things, which we all know God did (Genesis 1-2) and you deny that!

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

The Bible teaches us that Jesus is human by nature. A human being is not omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscient.

No, the Bible teaches us that He is God by nature, but took the nature of a human. You blatantly deny many clear scriptures.

Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!

His nature is that he has always existed as God. As part of the trinity of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. He also became "a servant, being made in human likeness". That was not His nature as you falsely claim. The Word was by nature God (John 1:1), but then "became flesh" (John 1:14) which was not by nature. So, He is fully God and fully man at the same time, as all Christians understand.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you an Apostle?

As in, one of the original apostles? No, I can't say that I'm that old. Why are you asking me this? The verse I quoted applies to all Christians. All Christians have authority because of belonging to Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And so far, you have not proven that he does. Neither have you proven that it is necessary.

I have proven that He created all things, as John 1:1, Colossians 1:15-17 and Hebrews 1:2 indicate and that He rules over all things, as verses like Matthew 28:18 and Ephesians 1:19-23 indicate. But, you don't think that plain, straightforward scripture proves anything, which means there is nothing anyone can do to prove anything to you. You believe whatever you want to believe and no amount of scriptural evidence can change your mind.

I acknowledged that He is God as the Bible describes a human being who is the image of God, the exegesis of God, the word become flesh.

This gibberish is your way of hiding the fact that you do NOT believe that He is God since you do NOT believe He has God's attributes such as being the Creator of all things, reigning over all things, being all powerful and being omnipresent.

Of course, Jesus didn't create all things. He was born thousands of years after the world was created.

The Bible explicitly teaches that he created all things, as you've been shown many times now. You are 100% carnal and 0% spiritual, so that makes it so that you cannot understand spiritual truths such as Jesus being fully God and fully man at the same time.

I can see this subject makes you uncomfortable. Why did you bring it up? Try to stay on topic, which is an attempted objection to the Premillennial viewpoint.

LOL. The subject does not make me uncomfortable at all. I know it makes you VERY uncomfortable which is why you have many times tried to tell us to not talk about this. Your denial that Jesus is God and reigns over all things is a major reason why you are a Premil, so it's relevant to talk about it in your case. You are clearly the one who is uncomfortable talking about it, as evidenced by yet another attempt here to try to get me to stop talking about it with you, which I will never do as long as you continue to deny the truth.