Transitioning from BELIEVING to KNOWING.

[ScottA]

It is the strangest thing! After two thousand years and the establishing of the Christian Bible (to say nothing of Judaism or other beliefs), everyone seems to be set in their ways. I mean like a petrified forest--pillars of stone!

Before that, before this Christian age, there were all kinds of would-be gods people believed in, and only One that stood above the rest. Only One that chose a people and set them on a hill for all others to witness His distinctive difference and His plan to save the world. Only One who could take a world of broken people and resurrect them from otherwise certain death after this short-lived life. And He established a method of communication, of revelations, regarding all His plans. Which method every Christian--and certainly every Jew, should know.

But how many here can actually describe God's method of communication and revelation with humanity? Surely, the question has become like a survey of people on the street asked "Who is the first or present US president?", and nine out of ten don't know the answer; and you wonder why life is so messed up!

I'm not going to give the answer--I'm just not.

Consequently, however, here we are 2,000 years after the words from God from the old and the new testament eras began to be assembled, and all we have done is built a wall to fortify what we all "believe." We're like centuries (for centuries) standing guard on our own towers, big and small. Which, if they were actually stone could be toppled. But no, not our towers--they're solid! So solid, we won't even let God's well established methods penetrate. Which means only one thing--Jesus said it:

“Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matthew 24:2).​

History repeats itself. But I tell you--it doesn't have to end this way.

 

[MatthewG]

Hey Scott,

Everything can be shaken down by God. (Ones own faith can be shaken even.) (Mind/will/emotions.)

Hebrews 12
20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.”[a] 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”[b]

22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”[c] 27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

What is it that can not be shaken and still remain? Faith.

 

[ScottA]

Hey Scott,

Everything can be shaken down by God. (Ones own faith can be shaken even.) (Mind/will/emotions.)

Hebrews 12
20 because they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.”[a] 21 The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”[b]

22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”[c] 27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

What is it that can not be shaken and still remain? Faith.

Unfortunately, even faith can be shaken. But, yes, we have been warned.

But the point is, as a church, as children of God, as students of the scriptures, as those upon whom the light of God has been cast--we have not learned how each revelation comes to us. And when pressed, most act like they already know everything--like what is only believed to be true, is without question, the truth.

Meanwhile, God has His own method.

 

[MatthewG]

Some people come to a revelation when it hits there heart about something which is revealed, when I die I don’t know if I’m really going to be with Yahavah, I just have hope to do so because of Christ Jesus. Sometimes I feel alone and want to die now; but I’m not looking for sympathy.

Thanks @ScottA, maybe I should write a book and sell it maybe I would do great.

 

[ScottA]

Some people come to a revelation when it hits there heart about something which is revealed, when I die I don’t know if I’m really going to be with Yahavah, I just have hope to do so because of Christ Jesus. Sometimes I feel alone and want to die now; but I’m not looking for sympathy.

Thanks @ScottA, maybe I should write a book and sell it maybe I would do great.

You will indeed be with God.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It is the strangest thing! After two thousand years and the establishing of the Christian Bible (to say nothing of Judaism or other beliefs), everyone seems to be set in their ways. I mean like a petrified forest--pillars of stone!

Before that, before this Christian age, there were all kinds of would-be gods people believed in, and only One that stood above the rest. Only One that chose a people and set them on a hill for all others to witness His distinctive difference and His plan to save the world. Only One who could take a world of broken people and resurrect them from otherwise certain death after this short-lived life. And He established a method of communication, of revelations, regarding all His plans. Which method every Christian--and certainly every Jew, should know.

But how many here can actually describe God's method of communication and revelation with humanity? Surely, the question has become like a survey of people on the street asking who the first or present US president is, and nine out of ten don't know the answer; and you wonder why life is so messed up!

I'm not going to give the answer--I'm just not.

Consequently, however, here we are 2,000 years after the words from God from the old and the new testament eras began to be assembled, and all we have done is built a wall to fortify what we all "believe." We're like centuries (for centuries) standing guard on our own towers, big and small. Which, if they were actually stone could be toppled. But no, not our towers--they're solid! So solid, we won't even let God's well established methods penetrate. Which means only one thing--Jesus said it:

“Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matthew 24:2).​

History repeats itself. But I tell you--it doesn't have to end this way.

Hello Scott, how are you all ? We are well, great post, my Brother.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[ScottA]

Hello Scott, how are you all ? We are well, great post, my Brother.

Love, Walter And Debbie

Other than the typical human issues of living in a body of flesh and a fallen world--doing great!

Thanks for your comments!

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Other than the typical human issues of living in a body of flesh and a fallen world--doing great!

Thanks for your comments!

Love always, Walter And Debbie

 

[ScottA]

It seems like a good time to ask the question:

What are God's main established method(s) of communication and revelation with us?​

How would you answer? It would be good to hear where people are at--what your understanding of God's method(s) actually are. This would appear to be an essential need for our moving forward from "believing" to "knowing" the things of God. Thank you in advance!

 

[WalterandDebbie]

It seems like a good time to ask the question:

What are God's main established method(s) of communication and revelation with us?​

How would you answer? It would be good to hear where people are at--what your understanding of God's method(s) actually are. This would appear to be an essential need for our moving forward from "believing" to "knowing" the things of God. Thank you in advance!

Well, Brother, it is a great question. True Repentance/Godly Sorrow that I know of starts with Him.

Love, Walter

 

[ScottA]

Well, Brother, it is a great question. True Repentance/Godly Sorrow that I know of starts with Him.

Love, Walter

For sure, but what would you say is His method--basically His part is, in communicating with us? We communicate with each other by talking or writing, and a multitude of gestures. But how would you describe His communication method(s) with humanity?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

For sure, but what would you say is His method--basically His part is, in communicating with us? We communicate with each other by talking or writing, and a multitude of gestures. But how would you describe His communication method(s) with humanity?

Scott, we know He humbled Himself Even To The Death of the cross.

Love, Walter

 

[ScottA]

Scott, we know He humbled Himself Even To The Death of the cross.

Love, Walter

Hmmm, it would appear you have not understood my question.

You have been kind and loving, so I am going to do what I said I would not:

• The question is: God has a method of communicating and giving revelation that He has established. What is that method?
• The answer, is: Other than the multitude of lesser forms of communicating He has with humanity, His method has been speaking directly with people of His own choosing, or doing so through His servants the prophets.

The reason for asking, and the importance of knowing this now...is because we (His church) seem to have forgotten how God reveals His truth, that we might know what to expect during this time of His revealing those things that were before sealed. It is as if no one even expects God to finished what He promised--like they have all been invited to a great supper, "But they all with one accord began to make excuses." (Luke 14).

 

[PS95]

It seems like a good time to ask the question:

What are God's main established method(s) of communication and revelation with us?​

How would you answer? It would be good to hear where people are at--what your understanding of God's method(s) actually are. This would appear to be an essential need for our moving forward from "believing" to "knowing" the things of God. Thank you in advance!

I was raised to believe that we had modern day prophets on earth and only they could interpret the scriptures for us, and never to question them. Long story short- they were false prophets and false teachers. While I knew that much, I also had it very much instilled in me that all Christian churches were Satan's churches. So naturally, I had a crippling fear about going to a church or to any man to learn about God. I even trembled at the sight of a cross. (JW religion) My brain was wired to think a certain way - robotic- I had to start from scratch and I knew it, but I had these revolving verses in my head having been taught by rote learning with lockstep conformity- with previous absolute truths from God that changed frequently. I was in crisis, in tatters. I needed my Creator.

So, knowing I had no other options other than to pray, I prayed for God to please give me His truth. I told Him that whatever it was I would accept it - even if on the off chance it was actually the JWs. I just wanted to know only His truth.
From there what I learned was astonishing. I was led to read the scriptures without any watchtower books or magazines.
( a huge no no for a Jw).-- It was me and prayer and tears and the bible. I held onto the promise that He would not give me a serpent when I asked for a fish.
Luke 11: 9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened. 11And of which of you that is a father shall his son ask a loaf, and he give him a stone? or a fish, and he for a fish give him a serpent? 12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he give him a scorpion? 13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

He would not give me a serpent! I did what Jesus said, and I asked for the Holy Spirit. That night, the words of the bible opened up for me, and spoke to my heart, and I was able to understand what I was reading. * I saw Jesus. I saw love and forgiveness and grace. This was all brand new to me. I never knew anything like this. I read all night In joyous shock. I literally CRIED out, Abba Father.

So for me- many years later- I still read the scriptures and pray and ask God to help me when I don't understand. Sometimes it's an answer in 5 minutes, sometimes 3 months, etc., but what happens is God makes me know while I am reading the scriptures. I don't have that question anymore, I know deep down in my soul. It did not come from me. I have called it "a knowing".

Other times, His Spirit has spoken to me while I am not studying, but going about day to day life, and I hear a verse clearly in my head that was not my thought, it interrupted my thoughts, and it clicks a teaching perfectly together- there is my answer. Again, it's that deep down in my soul -a knowing with surety. Sometimes that really feels like a smile from heaven.

There have been other times where it is clear that God speaks to me through another believer. 'It's not a coincidence that's for sure. He makes me know in my spirit. So my answer is by His Spirit.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't have answers to many things, and I've learned patience and humility because of that. Be still and know that I am God is a wonderful refuge. I rather prefer it this way, as it keeps me humbled and seeking His face, and I stay out of futile arguments that way. I just hold tight to what I have been given so far.

Many false teachers abound and it seems to get worse by the day, and I think there is a lot of frustration due to that, and the world is sinking further from God, but I can go outside and hear the birds singing happily, and I know that my God is still in charge no matter what.
I see a lot of fleshly teachings here- strife and pride not by the Spirit but the flesh.








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[WalterandDebbie]

Hmmm, it would appear you have not understood my question.

You have been kind and loving, so I am going to do what I said I would not:

• The question is: God has a method of communicating and giving revelation that He has established. What is that method?
• The answer, is: Other than the multitude of lesser forms of communicating He has with humanity, His method has been speaking directly with people of His own choosing, or doing so through His servants the prophets.

The reason for asking, and the importance of knowing this now...is because we (His church) seem to have forgotten how God reveals His truth, that we might know what to expect during this time of His revealing those things that were before sealed. It is as if no one even expects God to finished what He promised--like they have all been invited to a great supper, "But they all with one accord began to make excuses." (Luke 14).

Good morning, Brother Scott, We do understand what you are saying.

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[ScottA]

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I was raised to believe that we had modern day prophets on earth and only they could interpret the scriptures for us, and never to question them. Long story short- they were false prophets and false teachers. While I knew that much, I also had it very much instilled in me that all Christian churches were Satan's churches. So naturally, I had a crippling fear about going to a church or to any man to learn about God. I even trembled at the sight of a cross. (JW religion) My brain was wired to think a certain way - robotic- I had to start from scratch and I knew it, but I had these revolving verses in my head having been taught by rote learning with lockstep conformity- with previous absolute truths from God that changed frequently. I was in crisis, in tatters. I needed my Creator.

So, knowing I had no other options other than to pray, I prayed for God to please give me His truth. I told Him that whatever it was I would accept it - even if on the off chance it was actually the JWs. I just wanted to know only His truth.
From there what I learned was astonishing. I was led to read the scriptures without any watchtower books or magazines.
( a huge no no for a Jw).-- It was me and prayer and tears and the bible. I held onto the promise that He would not give me a serpent when I asked for a fish.
Luke 11: 9And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10For every one that asks receives; and he that seeks finds; and to him that knocks it shall be opened. 11And of which of you that is a father shall his son ask a loaf, and he give him a stone? or a fish, and he for a fish give him a serpent? 12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he give him a scorpion? 13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

He would not give me a serpent! I did what Jesus said, and I asked for the Holy Spirit. That night, the words of the bible opened up for me, and spoke to my heart, and I was able to understand what I was reading. * I saw Jesus. I saw love and forgiveness and grace. This was all brand new to me. I never knew anything like this. I read all night In joyous shock. I literally CRIED out, Abba Father.

So for me- many years later- I still read the scriptures and pray and ask God to help me when I don't understand. Sometimes it's an answer in 5 minutes, sometimes 3 months, etc., but what happens is God makes me know while I am reading the scriptures. I don't have that question anymore, I know deep down in my soul. It did not come from me. I have called it "a knowing".

Other times, His Spirit has spoken to me while I am not studying, but going about day to day life, and I hear a verse clearly in my head that was not my thought, it interrupted my thoughts, and it clicks a teaching perfectly together- there is my answer. Again, it's that deep down in my soul -a knowing with surety. Sometimes that really feels like a smile from heaven.

There have been other times where it is clear that God speaks to me through another believer. 'It's not a coincidence that's for sure. He makes me know in my spirit. So my answer is by His Spirit.

Please don't get me wrong, I don't have answers to many things, and I've learned patience and humility because of that. Be still and know that I am God is a wonderful refuge. I rather prefer it this way, as it keeps me humbled and seeking His face, and I stay out of futile arguments that way. I just hold tight to what I have been given so far.

Many false teachers abound and it seems to get worse by the day, and I think there is a lot of frustration due to that, and the world is sinking further from God, but I can go outside and hear the birds singing happily, and I know that my God is still in charge no matter what.
I see a lot of fleshly teachings here- strife and pride not by the Spirit but the flesh.








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Hallelujah! What you were given was the keys to the kingdom--first given to Peter in "knowing" that Jesus was the Christ.

Thank you!

Where that leaves us...is at the end of the reign of false teachers--though there are still many who linger, at that place where Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would lead us unto all truth, and the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets. My asking the question here and now, is to bring to mind--to remember after all this time of delusion, just how it is that God advances with His revelations, and how He would surely finish with what was sealed until just before the end, as He does not change.

 

[PS95]

h

Hallelujah! What you were given was the keys to the kingdom--first given to Peter in "knowing" that Jesus was the Christ.

Thank you!

Amen. All we do is ask seek and knock. I'm a nobody and He answered me. That alone, proves His faithfulness to His words. He isn't partial.

Where that leaves us...is at the end of the reign of false teachers--though there are still many who linger, at that place where Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would lead us unto all truth, and the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets. My asking the question here and now, is to bring to mind--to remember after all this time of delusion, just how it is that God advances with His revelations, and how He would surely finish with what was sealed until just before the end, as He does not change.

If I understand you correctly, yes, it is the end of their reign, but only for those who truly rely on the Spirit of God to teach, lead and guide us into all truth.
I fear for those who still trust in man or themselves for understanding. Be it a man's credentials, or their say so- we need to be very cautious of every single thing taught, and also discern our own thoughts from God's!
Just one verse error can lead into a twisted web of utter deceit. I've seen it.
It's also important to understand that it isn't a one time ok I'm good now, since I have the Holy Spirit- but needed it is a continuous desire and an ear to Him. We all need to draw close to God all day long, every day... every hour.

Much of what I see on here is due to not heeding these words- James speaks to believers--

James 4: 1
What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? 2You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. 3You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? 6But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.” 7Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. 8Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. 10Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.
11Do not speak against one another, brethren. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law; but if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge of it. 12There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the One who is able to save and to destroy; but who are you who judge your neighbor?

 

[shepherdsword]

It is the strangest thing! After two thousand years and the establishing of the Christian Bible (to say nothing of Judaism or other beliefs), everyone seems to be set in their ways. I mean like a petrified forest--pillars of stone!

Before that, before this Christian age, there were all kinds of would-be gods people believed in, and only One that stood above the rest. Only One that chose a people and set them on a hill for all others to witness His distinctive difference and His plan to save the world. Only One who could take a world of broken people and resurrect them from otherwise certain death after this short-lived life. And He established a method of communication, of revelations, regarding all His plans. Which method every Christian--and certainly every Jew, should know.

But how many here can actually describe God's method of communication and revelation with humanity? Surely, the question has become like a survey of people on the street asked "Who is the first or present US president?", and nine out of ten don't know the answer; and you wonder why life is so messed up!

I'm not going to give the answer--I'm just not.

Consequently, however, here we are 2,000 years after the words from God from the old and the new testament eras began to be assembled, and all we have done is built a wall to fortify what we all "believe." We're like centuries (for centuries) standing guard on our own towers, big and small. Which, if they were actually stone could be toppled. But no, not our towers--they're solid! So solid, we won't even let God's well established methods penetrate. Which means only one thing--Jesus said it:

“Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (Matthew 24:2).​

History repeats itself. But I tell you--it doesn't have to end this way.

The scripture seems to indicate that, in this present world, we will always walk by faith. However, in the world to come that is a different story:
1 Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
and again:
1 Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.