Mentality Without Spirituality

[rockytopva]

“A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know you are wrong.”- Neil Tyson

"Most people know enough about religion to make themselves miserable. But not enough to do anybody any good," - James Baldwin

 

[MatthewG]

Hey Rockytopva,

It's always good to challenge oneself against what other people say. Typically that goes back into the bible, and then studies what is being presented.

While I believe it's good to allow people to have the freedom to choose and do whatever they want to with the context of their own life; when it gets down to the nitty-gritty.

Truly challenging oneself, makes reading that darn old book! Geez! What a horror. I haven't even sat and really read my bible in awhile, and it would probably do me good to sit there and read to myself again, but not only that study...

The thing about the studying is. I can only bring forth whatever it is I have learned over time. Some of the things Ive learned just about all the things I have learned really, are based on the bible, and the presented evidences which are there.

I get people who disagree with Jesus having come back already, and they believe satan is around, and they believe the trinity or whatever.




When someone brings up some information, to go and check it out for oneself. DAUNTING. It is a mountain, no a Rock, that is gonna crush a person... especially if they are actually reading to LEARN, and GROWN, and UNDERSTAND. It's not about "KNOWING," though knowing is part of it, it's always gonna boil back down to Yeshua working in and through us to love God and to love others. Either way, the other presented facts, don't stop at just that narrative, its much wider, and bigger in scope...


People want to make the bible simple. I can make it super simple, but that leaves out all the rough digging, and missing diamonds, out there in the mining field.


I don't get it, other that its personal laziness.


I know one thing is for sure on my end, I hate mocking birds, or the mentality of mocking birds.

I try not to mock people... I just try to share... and be very stout (Atleast on here because people gonna be a bible promoter, they need to know what they are reading about in context and not just scriptural snips of this and that) with people; though it prob doesnt matter in the end.

 

[rockytopva]

Most of the issues are spiritual...

48 As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. - Ezekiel 16

And Christ tackling the issues. In which he takes issue with heart...

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. - Matthew 12

The main issues all in one verse... Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. - Ezekiel 16:49

* Pride
* Laziness
* No outreach to the poor

And... Pride was at the top of the list! God did not bless us spiritually to become arrogant! And also to note the religious people of Christ's day were phenomenally smart... But very bad spiritually.

 

[Pathfinder7]

Interesting topic/OP..
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"Most of the issues are spiritual.."
- Good point.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[Behold]

What is the diffference between Christianity and Religion, as proven by someone.

1.) A Christian, is a eternally forgiven sinner whom God has eternally reedeemed throught The Cross of Christ while they are "ungodly" and "yet a sinner" and are instantly become "Made Righteous"., a "new creation" and a Saint.

2.) A Religious, is a follower of Jesus, (disciple)... who is probably water baptised..... who is trying to imitate Jesus, who talks about Jesus's commandments a lot.. And is trying to perform good works or "works of righteousness" to try to offer themselves as worthy enough for GOD to Save. This one is not forgiven, is not born again, and is found here in eternity.....> Jesus will tell them.. = "depart from me, i never knew you".....and all the while they BELIEVED they are a Christian.
They can even post bible verses and Threads on ""chrisitan forums'" and many of them...will argue till they are out of breath that "you can lose your salvaiton"... because they dont have it, which is why they can't understand it as : "God's Grace".

 

[MatthewG]

Most of the issues are spiritual...

48 As I live, saith the Lord God, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good. - Ezekiel 16

And Christ tackling the issues. In which he takes issue with heart...

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. - Matthew 12

The main issues all in one verse... Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. - Ezekiel 16:49

* Pride
* Laziness
* No outreach to the poor

And... Pride was at the top of the list! God did not bless us spiritually to become arrogant! And also to note the religious people of Christ's day were phenomenally smart... But very bad spiritually.

There is nothing wrong in taking pride in oneself. Don't ya think? If you accomplish something you can have pride in doing so, what happens is that when you are become so prideful you start looking down on others.



Whether or not a person has the holy spirit, you'll only be able to tell by their fruits, but also you have to consider. Who in this world is ever perfect at a given time?

When is there a moment when a person can't show weakness? When can a person not show anger? I mean, are we to be so ...

Nonhuman?

Where is the room for improvement? Where is the room for mercy? Where is the room for forgiveness, if you are tied up within oneself that a person starts judging people in the faith?

There are mulisms whom are faithful,
hindus, jehovah witness, even mormons.

 

[Behold]

There is nothing wrong in taking pride in oneself. Don't ya think?

WE are not supposed to "take pride in ourselves" as that is the definition of PRIDE>.

We are supposed to have a sense of accomplishment, regarding what we have accomplished.... like this..
= Galatians ......."""""But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.""

This means you can see for yourself what you've accomplished and feel heart satisfied.......and you dont need anyone else to praise you for it, to feel good about your work.


Now, a fake Bible says..... to.......... "take pride in it, or in yourself".

Who in this world is ever perfect at a given time?

Christianity is not about being perfect, its about being eternally forgiven, which leads to a submitted life of continual service to God.

When is there a moment when a person can't show weakness?

Taking a Stand for Gospel Truth, is when you can't show weakness.

Jude and Paul refer to this as "contending for the Real Faith".

Also, when Protecting your family, is when you can't show weakness.
If they come into your house, and are going to harm your kids and your wife, then you dont read a bible verse to them..........what you do is show them the fatal error of coming into your Home, to try to harm your family.

The NT says that if you dont SOLVE THAT.......for your family, then """you are worse then an UNBELIEVER.""""

When can a person not show anger?

The NT does not tell us not be be angry......it tells us to : "be angry, but dont sin".

The Bible then tells us that to hold onto anger...is "foolish".....a "fool" does this..

NT anger, is generally defined in the context of Christian Behavior, .......as """"'righteousness indignation".. and that is a no-compromise intolerance of Heresy and Heretics and Cults and False theology.

The worst mistake a Christian makes, regarding their ministry, is to have TOLERANCE for Cults and what they produce.

And the reason they have this "blind tolerance" is because they only know one verse......and that is to "love others".. and so, they falsey believe that this means to love or accept False Theology, and people who teach it.

 

[MatthewG]

Well, I am going to live my life as a failure, and I'm okay with it, @Behold.

I am going to get angry. I am going to be upset. I am gonna be sad. I am going to have ups and downs in life.

Yahweh knows that.

Yahweh, also doesn't mind if people take pride in what they accomplish, as long as they aren't down playing others.

While some people want some people to act a certain way. Good luck with all that cause that is where cults do start up.

It's where the Cult Leader, wants you to cut your family and friends off and have nothing to do with them, etc... that is a true cult.

 

[MatthewG]

There are several definitions for pride.

I'll take a picture to prove so.

There is good pride, and there is bad pride.

Education is highly valuable, in my opinion.

 

[Behold]

Well, I am going to live my life as a failure, and I'm okay with it, @Behold.

Why would you choose to do that?
God has equipped us all with Talent and a desire to create and achieve........and thats an unbeliever.
The Believer has "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".......so, that makes the Christian, "more then a conqueror".

I am going to get angry. I am going to be upset. I am gonna be sad. I am going to have ups and downs in life.

Yes, as i posted. = WE will get upset, we will feel anger....... as this is "human" and Jesus felt it.
However, to keep it......to hold unto it.......to take it to bed, and wake up with it.....is the behavior of a "fool".

Yahweh, also doesn't mind if people take pride in what they accomplish, as long as they aren't down playing others.

As i told you.

To "take pride" is to be OF Pride., and false bibles speak of "feeling Pride".

Whereas the Christian, is to esteem what we have done with a feel of accomplishment........in our heart........a heart satisfaction.

Good luck with all that cause that is where cults do start up.

Christinan Cults are created by people who have misused the bible., and some Religious cults do the same.

It's where the Cult Leader, wants you to cut your family and friends off and have nothing to do with them, etc... that is a true cult.

An even more sinister cult leader is the one who ruins your Christianity, and has you believing you are "led of the spirit" to believe a lot of cult theology... "doctrines of devils"... as explained by : Hebrews 13:9

 

[MatthewG]

What about when Paul states that Jesus is our strength in our weaknessess?

2 Corinthians 12:9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.


I can't show weakness in sharing the Gospel. Idk how that really means anything.
When there are times when we are weak meaning our flesh...

 

[MatthewG]

Why would you choose to do that?
God has equipped us all with Talent and a desire to create and achieve........and thats an unbeliever.
The Believer has "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory".......so, that makes the Christian, "more then a conqueror".



Yes, as i posted. = WE will get upset, we will feel anger....... as this is "human" and Jesus felt it.
However, to keep it......to hold unto it.......to take it to bed, and wake up with it.....is the behavior of a "fool".



As i told you.

To "take pride" is to be OF Pride., and false bibles speak of "feeling Pride".

Whereas the Christian, is to esteem what we have done with a feel of accomplishment........in our heart........a heart satisfaction.



Christinan Cults are created by people who have misused the bible., and some Religious cults do the same.




An even more sinister cult leader is the one who ruins your Christianity, and has you believing you are "led of the spirit" to believe a lot of cult theology... "doctrines of devils"... as explained by : Hebrews 13:9

Well I'm thankful to not use meth anymore. But I can't go around and tell all the other drug abusers to stop using it. I can tell them they will die and continue to have hardships but I can't excommune them from getting to Yahweh through faith in the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ.

Right?

 

[Behold]

I can't show weakness in sharing the Gospel.

We should show the same love when sharing the Gospel as God showed it to Us when we understood that Jesus died for us while "while we were "YET sinners"

 

[MatthewG]

We should show the same love when sharing the Gospel as God showed it to Us when we understood that Jesus died for us while "while we were "YET sinners"

You know the bible just as well as I do. That's cool man. It's all about loving God and loving others in Christ, amen.

It's not some thing that can be used to tell people what to do. People have to willingly to be accepting to the message.

Cause there are people that don't want anything to do with God period.

 

[Behold]

Well I'm thankful to not use meth anymore.

God is good all the time.

But I can't go around and tell all the other drug abusers to stop using it.

Why can't you?

THen they can ask you "why should i stop"......>>"how can i stop".

Then you take it from there....... Show them WHO can deliever them with His BLOOD and His DEATH..........and Has........and now they need it for themselves.

 

[Behold]

You know the bible just as well as I do.

If you "knew the bible" you would not be on the forum selling the members here at least these 3 Lies taught by cults.

1.) Preterism

2.) No Hell

3.) Satan has no power

 

[MatthewG]

God is good all the time.





Why can't you?

THen they can ask you "why should i stop"......>>"how can i stop".

Then you take it from there....... Show them WHO can deliever them with His BLOOD and His DEATH..........and Has........and now they need it for themselves.

You can show as much as you want, but even Drug abusers can be believers and are saved by Grace through Faith.

Or is that out of line to you?

Who can you say has faith? And how can you read their heart?

 

[MatthewG]

Last time I checked, it was Yahavah, who is gonna judge the hearts, but people love to be God, or play God, as the judge.

1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

 

[Behold]

You can show as much as you want, but even Drug abusers can be believers and are saved by Grace through Faith.

Of course.

Listen, the way you can show a druggie the Light, = the way out......is by giving them hope that there is a way out.

"look at me". "Look at what JESUS did for me.....and He can do it for you".

The worst part of being a "Hard Drug" user, is that after a while, there is no real "High", or pleasure......its just......>"OMG, i have to get more or i feel like im going to DIE". and that becomes their life purpose.

Who can you say has faith?

Who has faith?

Everyone has "the measure of faith".
Everyone believes ..., and if they take that faith and give it to God, trusting in Christ then He will give them Eternal Life.