After effects

[ScottA]

What's wrong with everyone having their base need's granted freely? You know Jesus will do that exact thing if he ever returns.

Because things don't just appear every morning as if by magic.

Do you not understand that in order for something to be "free" for one person, another person has to work and pay for it in addition to working and paying for their own needs?

 

[PS95]

What's wrong with everyone having their base need's granted freely? You know Jesus will do that exact thing if he ever returns.

Jesus will do that for you now. But remember when Peter asked if he needed to pay taxes? Jesus had him GO FISHING and the coin was in the mouth of the fish. He did not just hand it to him. He had him go work. Also Paul said if a man does not work, he does not eat. So you are mistaken that Jesus will just hand you daily needs while you do nothing.
I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US if you can not work due to age or illness- there is some help. But if you can work and don't wont help yourself- and want to be an added burden to society- you have a problem. So tell me, why don't you have a job or do you?
Homelessness must be difficult. Don't you have any family? Does your country have aid? What is this about people should just give you stuff?

 

[Bob]

What's wrong with everyone having their base need's granted freely? You know Jesus will do that exact thing if he ever returns.

Thank you for your question.

How about, what is wrong with able-bodied people working to support themselves?

As for those that have difficulty supporting themselves, Jesus commands disciples to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, shelter the stranger, clothe the naked, tend the sick, and visit those in prison. In other words, helping others with the basics is a personal responsibility for each of us, not a government responsibility.


Peace

 

[2bme]

Because things don't just appear every morning as if by magic.

Do you not understand that in order for something to be "free" for one person, another person has to work and pay for it in addition to working and paying for their own needs?

But that ideology doesn't work. Because most people believe that's fair, but it isn't fair. Obviously our thinking on living and caring has to change.

 

[2bme]

Jesus will do that for you now. But remember when Peter asked if he needed to pay taxes? Jesus had him GO FISHING and the coin was in the mouth of the fish. He did not just hand it to him. He had him go work. Also Paul said if a man does not work, he does not eat. So you are mistaken that Jesus will just hand you daily needs while you do nothing.
I don't know how it is in Australia, but in the US if you can not work due to age or illness- there is some help. But if you can work and don't wont help yourself- and want to be an added burden to society- you have a problem. So tell me, why don't you have a job or do you?
Homelessness must be difficult. Don't you have any family? Does your country have aid? What is this about people should just give you stuff?

I'm done with this.

 

[ScottA]

But that ideology doesn't work. Because most people believe that's fair, but it isn't fair. Obviously our thinking on living and caring has to change.

So you think it's FAIR that some people don't carry their own weight, but should be served by others who do?

 

[PS95]

I'm done with this.

I'm sorry if what I said upset you, or if I misunderstood what you were trying to convey. However, what I did say was true.

 

[2bme]

So you think it's FAIR that some people don't carry their own weight, but should be served by others who do?

I am shocked to hear Christian's talk like this. For the one who said I am come to serve, and, he who is the slave of all will become the greatest in the kingdom. You Christian's really defended a false medium about that which you believe in.

 

[2bme]

I'm sorry if what I said upset you, or if I misunderstood what you were trying to convey. However, what I did say was true.

Really. That's alright. I really have to stop opening threads about belief based problems.

 

[2bme]

I am shocked to hear Christian's talk like this. For the one who said I am come to serve, and, he who is the slave of all will become the greatest in the kingdom. You Christian's really defended a false medium about that which you believe in.

For reference:

Matthew 20:25
25Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Matthew 23:11
11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

 

[PS95]

For reference:

Matthew 20:25
25Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Matthew 23:11
11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Christians donate and work- at soup kitchens, shelters, food pantries, clothing etc for the needy. Don't they have those where you live?
What is this about?

 

[ScottA]

I am shocked to hear Christian's talk like this. For the one who said I am come to serve, and, he who is the slave of all will become the greatest in the kingdom. You Christian's really defended a false medium about that which you believe in.

You misunderstand. Jesus did not expect to be served, but did expect that we each carry our own cross.

You on the other hand, seem to expect to be served, and have someone else carry your burden. That's pathetic.

 

[2bme]

You misunderstand. Jesus did not expect to be served, but did expect that we each carry our own cross.

You on the other hand, seem to expect to be served, and have someone else carry your burden. That's pathetic.

You're mingling two different doctrines. Yes Jesus said I'm come to serve. However the other verse you refer to is Jesus teaching on taking up the commission of laying down your life for him. Serving humanity and laying down your life for him is all apart of sacrifice. Christian's aren't supposed to be gaining treasures this side of life or living for a sense of entitlement.

 

[ScottA]

You're mingling two different doctrines. Yes Jesus said I'm come to serve. However the other verse you refer to is Jesus teaching on taking up the commission of laying down your life for him. Serving humanity and laying down your life for him is all apart of sacrifice. Christian's aren't supposed to be gaining treasures this side of life or living for a sense of entitlement.

What I am doing with regard to doctrines, is not for you to say. Everything in the scriptures points to something greater, and is the providence of God alone. I have declared that something greater to you.

But it was not I who was speaking.

 

[2bme]

What I am doing with regard to doctrines, is not for you to say. Everything in the scriptures points to something greater, and is the providence of God alone. I have declared that something greater to you.

But it was not I who was speaking.

Are you suggesting that God is talking through you? I'm not against the idea of that, but that's a massive responsibility. Because:

James 3:1
1Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

 

[ScottA]

Are you suggesting that God is talking through you? I'm not against the idea of that, but that's a massive responsibility. Because:

James 3:1
1Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.

Yes. Everything that has been declared by God, is, and is made manifest. Which, yes, includes the Christian Church age where the Holy Spirit speaks through certain people sent by God to do so (Matthew 10:16-20).

 

[2bme]

Yes. Everything that has been declared by God, is, and is made manifest. Which, yes, includes the Christian Church age where the Holy Spirit speaks through certain people sent by God to do so (Matthew 10:16-20).

@ScottA I assure you God is not talking through you. It's a serious matter for God to be talking through someone. Just research the major and minor prophets for reference.

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA I assure you God is not talking through you. It's a serious matter for God to be talking through someone. Just research the major and minor prophets for reference.

Are YOU God then, that YOU should tell me I am wrong, AND that He Himself was incorrect in saying His Holy Spirit would indeed speak through those sent?

What is your answer?

 

[2bme]

Are YOU God then, that YOU should tell me I am wrong, AND that He Himself was incorrect in saying His Holy Spirit would indeed speak through those sent?

What is your answer?

Your understanding of doctrine is incorrect. How you mingled two different biblical doctrines in order to fit your personal narrative about charity.

What Does the Bible Say About Sound Doctrine?

Bible verses about Sound Doctrine

www.openbible.info

To be committed to Christ is to be committed to serve other people. There's no space for selfish endeavours or personal gain in this world. You can argue all you want about your rights as a hard working tax paying citizen who is under no obligations to help people who are user's. But you're not supposed to be keeping a record or account of what you believe anyone owes you. You are, as all Christian's are supposed focus on forgiveness of any debt for the sake of God's wrath.

 

[ScottA]

Your understanding of doctrine is incorrect. How you mingled two different biblical doctrines in order to fit your personal narrative about charity.

What Does the Bible Say About Sound Doctrine?

Bible verses about Sound Doctrine

www.openbible.info

To be committed to Christ is to be committed to serve other people. There's no space for selfish endeavours or personal gain in this world. You can argue all you want about your rights as a hard working tax paying citizen who is under no obligations to help people who are user's. But you're not supposed to be keeping a record or account of what you believe anyone owes you. You are, as all Christian's are supposed focus on forgiveness of any debt for the sake of God's wrath.

The words were not my words, nor was I the One who "mingled" them or spoke them. God's word is His own providence--and He alone decides by His own choosing who speaks the truth from Him.

Question is: Why have you come out with swords and clubs, as those who killed the prophets of God and crucified Christ?

And you? You are in no position to preach.