End times time frames by chapter and fit

[Spiritual Israelite]

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

"shortened" in verse 22 does not mean reduced from 1335 days to 42 months. It means the duration of the great tribulation will be limited, otherwise, all flesh on earth will be wiped out.

All flesh on earth? Why did Jesus only say that those who are in Judea needed to flee then? You are turning a local tribulation event into a global tribulation event to make scripture fit your doctrine. You never just look at scripture objectively. You're always manipulating it to say whatever you want it to say.

 

[Davy]

The fit of the Daniel 12:7 time, times, half time is shown on my diagram below.

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You have the "time, times, and an half" at the right place. But you DO NOT have the "abomination of desolation" event at the right place.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

And that in red does... mean in the MIDDLE of the "one week". You cannot change that.

 

[Douggg]

All flesh on earth? Why did Jesus only say that those who are in Judea needed to flee then? You are turning a local tribulation event into a global tribulation event to make scripture fit your doctrine. You never just look at scripture objectively. You're always manipulating it to say whatever you want it to say.

Jesus warned them in Judea to flee to the mountains when the see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place. As that is when the great tribulation starts.

The reason for the fleeing to the mountains right away, with no delay, is that when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount, the false prophet will begin forcing persons in Judea to come before the statue image, bow, and worship it - and those who refuse will be killed.

 

[Douggg]

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

And that in red does... mean in the MIDDLE of the "one week". You cannot change that.

Midst does not mean "mid point", i.e day 1260 of the 2520 day 7 years.

 

[ewq1938]

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

"shortened" in verse 22 does not mean reduced from 1335 days to 42 months. It means the duration of the great tribulation will be limited, otherwise, all flesh on earth will be wiped out.

Not limited but shortened. Shortened means it was a longer length of time, and was made less long. The full length of the trib is now 42 months according to Rev, which affirms a shortened length as Christ said.

 

[Douggg]

@Davy

Note on my diagram all of the identical time frames, such as the two 42 months references, are colored coded the same, and paired with each other.

42 months - 2 references
time, times, half time - 3 references
7 years - 2 references
1260 days - 2 references

 

[Douggg]

Not limited but shortened. Shortened means it was a longer length of time, and was made less long. The full length of the trib is now 42 months according to Rev, which affirms a shortened length as Christ said.

Shortened as meaning cut short of all flesh on earth being wiped out.

The two time frames of 1290 days and 1335 days in Daniel 12:11-12 have not been reduced. Jesus did not say anything about either of those time frames being reduced to 42 months.

 

[ewq1938]

Shortened as meaning cut short of all flesh on earth being wiped out.

The two time frames of 1290 days and 1335 days in Daniel 12:11-12 have not been reduced. Jesus did not say anything about either of those time frames being reduced to 42 months.

He did in the visions he gave to John, recorded in Rev. You are using times given before Christ said the length would be shortened. It can't be any original time before the decision to shorten. The original time was 7 years (84 months) but no flesh would survive so Christ announced the time was shorter to allow some flesh to survive which is a reference to those who survive the trib and are raptured.

 

[Douggg]

He did in the visions he gave to John, recorded in Rev.

No, Jesus did not. The 1290 days and the 1335 days are not mentioned in Revelation as such.

This is how the 1290 days and the 1335 days fit into the 7 years.

The original time was 7 years (84 months) but no flesh would survive so Christ announced the time was shorter to allow some flesh to survive which is a reference to those who survive the trib and are raptured.

Huh ? The 7 years will not be shortened. You are not making any sense.

Fit these end times time frames into the 7 years. This list is all of them in the bible, in the order they appear in the bible.




or you could go by my diagram....

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus warned them in Judea to flee to the mountains when the see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place. As that is when the great tribulation starts.

The reason for the fleeing to the mountains right away, with no delay, is that when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount, the false prophet will begin forcing persons in Judea to come before the statue image, bow, and worship it - and those who refuse will be killed.

Christ's return is a global event. Tribulation that occurs before His return is global. That is not what is described in Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke 21:20-24).

 

[Douggg]

Christ's return is a global event. Tribulation that occurs before His return is global. That is not what is described in Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke 21:20-24).

The great tribulation begins in Jerusalem when the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount.

 

[ewq1938]

No, Jesus did not. The 1290 days and the 1335 days are not mentioned in Revelation as such.

Because those times come from Daniel, but Jesus told us about the trib length being shortened long after Daniel.

This is how the 1290 days and the 1335 days fit into the 7 years.

There is no 7 years.

Huh ? The 7 years will not be shortened. You are not making any sense.

Jesus said it would be shortened.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[Douggg]

There is no 7 years.

The 7 years are in Daniel 9:27, as well as, Ezekiel 39:9

The times frames in Revelation total 7 years.

 

[Davidpt]

Jesus warned them in Judea to flee to the mountains when the see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place. As that is when the great tribulation starts.

The reason for the fleeing to the mountains right away, with no delay, is that when the abomination of desolation statue image is setup on the temple mount, the false prophet will begin forcing persons in Judea to come before the statue image, bow, and worship it - and those who refuse will be killed.

In my mind, I think the book of Revelation is going to start making more and more sense the fact AI might help explain a lot of it. As to this image that speaks, that's basically what AI is doing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The great tribulation begins in Jerusalem when the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount.

Ah, yes. It will somehow be set up on the temple mount of a supposed future temple that almost certainly will never exist. That's quite a weak argument.

 

[Douggg]

In my mind, I think the book of Revelation is going to start making more and more sense the fact AI might help explain a lot of it. As to this image that speaks, that's basically what AI is doing.

David, what will make the statue image appear to come to life and speak will be because Satan will indwell it.

The statue image will go up in flames and turned to ashes when Jesus returns. Exposing Satan there on the temple mount.

Ezekiel 28:16-19 indicates that will happen.

Ezekiel 28:
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

[Douggg]

Ah, yes. It will somehow be set up on the temple mount of a supposed future temple that almost certainly will never exist. That's quite a weak argument.

Do you acknowledge there is a temple mount in Jerusalem right now, where the Muslim have built their dome of the rock ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

David, what will make the statue image appear to come to life and speak will be because Satan will indwell it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you acknowledge there is a temple mount in Jerusalem right now, where the Muslim have built their dome of the rock ?

Is that what you were talking about? No. I'm pretty sure you're not talking about the abomination of desolation being set up on the temple mount of the dome of the rock. You're talking about it being set up on the temple mount of a temple that will almost certainly never exist.

 

[Douggg]

Is that what you were talking about? No. I'm pretty sure you're not talking about the abomination of desolation being set up on the temple mount of the dome of the rock. You're talking about it being set up on the temple mount of a temple that will almost certainly never exist.

But you do acknowledge there is a temple mount in Jerusalem right now, yes ?