End times time frames by chapter and fit

[Douggg]

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mocking what it says in the bible is not a good idea. I suggest you delete your post.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But you do acknowledge there is a temple mount in Jerusalem right now, yes ?

Sure. And you acknowledge that you're not talking about the abomination of desolation being set up on the temple mount of the dome of the rock, but rather of a temple that does not currently exist, yes?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

mocking what it says in the bible is not a good idea. I suggest you delete your post.

I'm mocking your ridiculous interpretation of the Bible. I will not delete it. The image of the beast is the opposite of the image of Christ. We (His people) are conformed to the image of Christ.

Romans 8:29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

The image of the beast is symbolic and refers to the people who worship the beast and reflect the image of the beast by opposing Christ and His church.

 

[ewq1938]

The 7 years are in Daniel 9:27, as well as, Ezekiel 39:9

The times frames in Revelation total 7 years.

Not the time of the trib./ It is specifically 42 months. You can't take any time and just add them, all together willy-nilly. Example: There are two 1260 (3.5 year) times in Rev 12 but both are before the trib (war on Christians) mentioned in the last verse so they cannot be used for the trib length. Rev 11 and 13 both speak of 42 months but it's the same period, and error to combine them into a trib length that ends up not being shortened.

 

[ewq1938]

David, what will make the statue image appear to come to life and speak will be because Satan will indwell it.

The statue image will go up in flames and turned to ashes when Jesus returns. Exposing Satan there on the temple mount.

Ezekiel 28:16-19 indicates that will happen.

Ezekiel 28:
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

The passage speaks of as Cherub burning from within, not satan within an image of the beast.

 

[Douggg]

Not the time of the trib./ It is specifically 42 months. You can't take any time and just add them, all together willy-nilly. Example: There are two 1260 (3.5 year) times in Rev 12 but both are before the trib (war on Christians) mentioned in the last verse so they cannot be used for the trib length. Rev 11 and 13 both speak of 42 months but it's the same period, and error to combine them into a trib length that ends up not being shortened.

You are using an incorrect term of "the trib". Jesus was referring to the "great tribulation".

There is one 1260 days stated in Revelation 12. It is in Revelation 12:6.
After which is 42 months stated in Revelation 12:14.

Added together, they total 7 years.

The passage speaks of as Cherub burning from within, not satan within an image of the beast.

The text does not say "within". But that a fire will come up in Satan's midst, binging him to ashes, as everyone looks on, exposing Satan for everyone to behold him.... shocked to see that it was Satan that everyone was unknowingly worshiping when they worshiped the statue image.

 

[Douggg]

The image of the beast is symbolic and refers to the people who worship the beast and reflect the image of the beast by opposing Christ and His church.

The image of the beast will be a literal statue image that will be made at the direction of the false prophet.

Revelation 13
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 

[ewq1938]

You are using an incorrect term of "the trib". Jesus was referring to the "great tribulation".

It's a reference to the same exact time period.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.


affliction and tribulation are the same Greek word.

There are some small differences in the gospels. Matthew has great tribulation where Mark just has tribulation (affliction). It's the SAME EXACT THING.

There is one 1260 days stated in Revelation 12. It is in Revelation 12:6.
After which is 42 months stated in Revelation 12:14.

Added together, they total 7 years.

They are not added together for a reason by the bible and both time period happen BEFORE the trib even starts.

 

[Douggg]

It's a reference to the same exact time period.

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

No. "the trib" is a phrase that pretribbers use to refer to the 70th week of Daniel 9.

The text of Matthew 24:21 says "great tribulation".

They are not added together for a reason by the bible and both time period happen BEFORE the trib even starts.

Stop with the misleading "the trib" term. Use the "great tribulation" term and the "70th week" term, instead.

The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 is shown on my diagram, as is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14. My diagram is clear of where all of the end times time frames in the bible fit.

 

[ewq1938]

No. "the trib" is a phrase that pretribbers use to refer to the 70th week of Daniel 9.

The text of Matthew 24:21 says "great tribulation".

And Mark doesn't use "great" for the same time +period therefore GREAT TRIBULATION and TRIBULATION are the same exact things according to Jesus.

Stop with the misleading "the trib" term. Use the "great tribulation" term and the "70th week" term, instead.

No. I am using the same thing Jesus used, found in the Greek manuscripts. YOU are the one misusing the terms.

The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 is shown on my diagram, as is the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14. My diagram is clear of where all of the end times time frames in the bible fit.

Not one of your many diagrams are correct. Not one of them.

 

[Douggg]

No. I am using the same thing Jesus used, found in the Greek manuscripts

Jesus did not use the term "the trib".

Not one of your many diagrams are correct. Not one of them.

Then you post your correct diagram fitting of the end times time frames found in the bible. Here they are , all of them. Now provide your correct diagram of how they fit together.

 

[Davidpt]

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LOL. That was a good one.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus did not use the term "the trib".

He did in the OD.

Then you post your correct diagram fitting of the end times time frames found in the bible. Here they are , all of them. Now provide your correct diagram of how they fit together.

Diagrams are not as good as quoting scripture. I proved "great tribulation" is exactly the same as tribulation without "great" attached.

 

[Douggg]

Diagrams a"re not as good as quoting scripture. I proved "great tribulation" is exactly the same as tribulation without "great" attached.

Jesus was speaking about great tribulation - unmatched since the beginning of the world and never will be again in Matthew 24:21.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

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You wrote... "Not one of your many diagrams are correct. Not one of them."

So produce a diagram that fits all the end times time frames in correct relation to one another. These are the end times time frame scriptures....

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus was speaking about great tribulation - unmatched since the beginning of the world and never will be again in Matthew 24:21.

So? You wrongly think great trib is the last 3.5 years and the first 3.5 years is just regular trib. That's wrong. There is one period of trib that Jesus spoke about and in one gospel he called it great, and in another gospel he didn't use the word great but he was speaking of one trib period not two dif ones.

 

[Douggg]

So? You wrongly think great trib is the last 3.5 years and the first 3.5 years is just regular trib. That's wrong.

No, that is not what I think at all. The last 1335 days of the 7 years is the timeframe of the great tribulation.

For much of the first half of the 7 years, the world will be saying "peace and safety", thinking it has entered the messianic age. Not a time of tribulation.

As I have been trying to explain to you - it is pre-trib rapture timing believers who call the entire 70th week of Daniel 9:27 - the tribulation, or "the trib" for short. Their terminology is misleading and incorrect as the entire 70th week is not tribulation.

When you say "the trib", you are using their misleading and incorrect terminology. Instead, refer to the great tribulation as the great tribulation. And the 70th week as the 70th week.

 

[Douggg]

There is one period of trib that Jesus spoke about and in one gospel he called it great, and in another gospel he didn't use the word great but he was speaking of one trib period not two dif ones.

I use the kjv bible.

In Matthew 24:21, the term is "great tribulation"

In Mark 13:19, the term is "affliction"

Both are referring to the same time period.
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Then in Matthew 24:29 and Mark 13:24, Jesus spoke about the sixth seal event of the heavens shakened and the world seeing the sign of the Son of man in heaven.

In those two verses, the term great tribulation is not used, but after the tribulation of those days - indicating that most of the great tribulation will be over at that point, but not all of it (the 7th vial of God's wrath still remaining to be poured out).

On my chart, I show the great tribulation (1335 days long) and the tribulation of those days (1290 days long). During the 45 days difference between the two, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.

 

[ewq1938]

When you say "the trib", you are using their misleading and incorrect terminology. Instead, refer to the great tribulation as the great tribulation. And the 70th week as the 70th week.

My terminology is correct. The period of persecution Christ described can be called tribulation (Mark 13) or great tribulation (Matthew 24). There is zero difference.

 

[Davy]

Midst does not mean "mid point", i.e day 1260 of the 2520 day 7 years.

It most certainly does... mean the mid-point of the 2520 days, or middle, or the half way point.

You are only denying that simple fact of that Scripture because it makes your theory fall flat if you accept it as written.

 

[Davy]

@Davy

Note on my diagram all of the identical time frames, such as the two 42 months references, are colored coded the same, and paired with each other.

No, I think we've seen enough of your diagram, which not all of it is keeping with the written Bible Scripture.

The last 3 Trumpet - Woe periods of Revelation 9 thru Revelation 11 seals the fact that the 1260 days (or 42 months) of Revelation 11 happens on the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe, with Jesus' coming on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe.

That means of course, that the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period, and thus that 1260 days (or 42 months), is GREAT TRIBULATION timing.

Lord Jesus Christ comes to END the "great tribulation" like He showed in His Olivet discourse, and also as Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thessalonians 2 about Jesus coming to destroy the "man of sin" by the 'brightness of His coming.'