Rightly Dividing Calvinism

[David Lamb]

The term "doctrines of grace" are not found in any NT ever created, or any "extant" Koine Grk Text.
This "calvin speak" you are using....... is Calvinism, that is pretending that you were not lead to the "dotrine of Grace" by this cult that created them.

So, as i stated.

A Calvinist, YOU< or Episkapos...or Brightframe, or Ronald Nolette, or similar.....will try to SELL Calvinism. on this Forum......any way you can, just like ever other Disciple of J-C.

Christians lead people to CHRIST

Calvinists lead people into their Calvinism Mania.

I never said that the phrase "doctrines of grace" is found in the bible. But the meaning is. Doctrine is just another word for teaching, and the bible certainly teaches us about God's grace.

I assure you that I don't seek to lead people to Calvin or Calvinism. I seek in my preaching and evangelism to point people to the Saviour.

 

[Behold]

I never said that the phrase "doctrines of grace" is found in the bible. But the meaning is. Doctrine is just another word for teaching, and the bible certainly teaches us about God's grace.

Paul does not teach a "doctrine of Grace"....>He teaches "Justification by Faith"

Calvin is the "doctrines of Grace".... T.U.L.I.P. theology.

So, anyone who is of that theology, was shown it by somene that teaches "TULIP">.., and to say you were not, is not a good idea.

 

[Episkopos]

Paul does not teach a "doctrine of Grace"....>He teaches "Justification by Faith"

What you are doing with the reading of the bible is not justification by faith....it is self-justification by beliefs.

 

[Josho]

The term "doctrines of grace" are not found in any NT ever created, or any "extant" Koine Grk Text.
This "calvin speak" you are using....... is Calvinism, that is pretending that you were not lead to the "dotrine of Grace" by this cult that created them.

So, as i stated.

A Calvinist, YOU< or Episkapos...or Brightframe, or Ronald Nolette, or similar.....will try to SELL Calvinism. on this Forum......any way you can, just like ever other Disciple of J-C.

Christians lead people to CHRIST

Calvinists lead people into their Calvinism Mania.

Who is trying to sell Calvinism? Where can I buy it from?

In all seriousness I don't think many Calvinists are trying to sell Calvinism or lead people to Calvinism, most of them don't wear that title on their sleeves, from what I know they are spread out across multiple different Christian denominations. And you would have to really chat to one to find out whether if they are a Calvinist or not.

Then again I have not really been looking for them.

 

[Behold]

What you are doing with the reading of the bible is not justification by faith....it is self-justification by beliefs.

Jesus died on the Cross for your sin @Episkopos .

You've told me over 10x that "jesus didnt die for anyone's sin on the Cross"

You've told me over 10x that "God does not offer His Righteousness to anyone"..

So, i showed you, 10x Each, at least....that Jesus said that = "if you dont believe in me, you shall die IN YOUR SINS"...

And 10x at least i showed you that the born again Christian has received "the Gift of Righteousness" From GOD Himself.

So, your Theology, is your pipe dream vision, version, nonsense.

Same as always, video to video, post after post, Thread after Thread.

 

[Behold]

What you are doing with the reading of the bible is not justification by faith....it is self-justification by beliefs.

Paul only teaches as "church doctrine"......for the Body of Christ...

"Justification by FAITH".

our "Faith is accepted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness"

"We are all children of God, by FAITH in Christ"

Paul teaches : Romans 4:5​

New International Version However, to the one who doen not work = but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is = credited as righteousness. New Living Translation But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. English Standard Version And to the one who does not work.....but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Berean Standard Bible However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. Berean Literal Bible However, to the one not working, but believing on the One justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as RIGHTEOUSNESS, King James Bible But to him that worketh NOT, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. New King James Version But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, New American Standard Bible But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, NASB 1995 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, NASB 1977 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness, Amplified Bible But to the one who does not work that is the one who does not try to earn their Salvation by WORKING], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness = (right standing with God).

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I found those doctrines in the bible.

Then you were tricked by a demon to twist what God's Word teaches in to calvinism

But we are in our sin when He saves us

Nobody can get saved until they turn away from their sins.

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins

The act of turning to the Lord is the act of turning away from sin if one is doing it in sincerity

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Who is trying to sell Calvinism? Where can I buy it from?

All the fake preachers and fake churches would be happy to sell you some downloads of their teachings for a donation to their top false teacher to help him make payments on his mcmansion

The thing is, the teachings of calvinism has infected and perverted so many that most people adhere to calvinist teachings not even knowing it came from calvinism.

The devil is tricky like that when it comes to spreading false doctrine. The Lord tells us in His Word that in the end times many false teachers would come in His Name and would deceive many and most are unaware of Jesus saying this so they not on the look out for false doctrine and so they easily get sucked in to following false doctrine.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus died on the Cross for your sin @Episkopos .

Yes and for the sins of the whole world. Read the bible.

You've told me over 10x that "jesus didnt die for anyone's sin on the Cross"

I never said that. You misread anything you try to read apparently. I'll try explaining it again. Jesus died for the sins of the world.

You've told me over 10x that "God does not offer His Righteousness to anyone"..

I never said that. I said that God's righteousness cannot be imputed to anyone. Again, since you don't understand what the bible teaches you make outrageous claims that have nothing to do with what is being conveyed. Your dogmatism fails you in understanding.

So, i showed you, 10x Each, at least....that Jesus said that = "if you dont believe in me, you shall die IN YOUR SINS"...

The truth is that unless we enter INTO Christ we will die with our sin nature intact.

And 10x at least i showed you that the born again Christian has received "the Gift of Righteousness" From GOD Himself.

You are confusing the free gift of grace given at regeneration as an "earnest" or sample of life....with the full measure of grace which includes being covered by God's righteousness in those who PAY THE PRICE of a full surrender to Christ. Read the bible.

You are claiming things from the bible without any truth or reality. No one can justify themselves for any reason. It is God who PERSONALLY justifies.

So, your Theology, is your pipe dream vision, version, nonsense.

Same as always, video to video, post after post, Thread after Thread.

I'm glad you appreciate my work. ;)

 

[Episkopos]

Paul only teaches as "church doctrine"......for the Body of Christ...

Churchianity, yes. Religious pretenders aside, unless one is actually born in Zion, the bible remains misunderstood. You are trying to understand carnally what is meant to be understood spiritually. A lot of that going around.

"Justification by FAITH".

our "Faith is accepted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness"

No. God imputes righteousness (human) either by works or by faith. Read the bible. God COVERS a surrendered disciple with HIS righteousness when the price is paid...God is NOT a respecter of persons.

"We are all children of God, by FAITH in Christ"

Paul teaches : Romans 4:5​

New International Version However, to the one who doen not work = but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is = credited as righteousness. New Living Translation But people are counted as righteous, not because of their work, but because of their faith in God who forgives sinners. English Standard Version And to the one who does not work.....but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Berean Standard Bible However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness. Berean Literal Bible However, to the one not working, but believing on the One justifying the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as RIGHTEOUSNESS, King James Bible But to him that worketh NOT, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. New King James Version But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, New American Standard Bible But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, NASB 1995 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, NASB 1977 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness, Amplified Bible But to the one who does not work that is the one who does not try to earn their Salvation by WORKING], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness = (right standing with God).

Paul here is explaining that God imputes righteousness by faith as well as works. It's too bad you have to twist the meaning of the text. But a narcissist has to make everything about them.

 

[Behold]

Yes and for the sins of the whole world. Read the bible.

Yet you posted many times that the "Cross is not about forgiveness"..

So, you have a new Theology today??
You seem to put them on regularly.

I never said that.

You are denying that you said that "The Cross is not about forgiveness" when 5-6 people here have talked to you about this,....a lot.

Even NANCY was commenting about this......as well.

So, your honesty is equal to your theology, as usual.

Both are revised a lot on this Forum.

I never said that. I said that God's righteousness cannot be imputed to anyone.

God inmputs Christ's Righteousness to the Christian, or they would not have it.

Paul teaches in Romans Chapter 4....""""" the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works""""

Paul also teaches...

""""""And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which only comes from GOD... through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from GOD...only based on faith"...

So, did you want to deny this again? @Episkopos ?

The truth is that unless we enter INTO Christ we will die with our sin nature intact.

Being born again is exactly how you become "IN CHrist".....which is to enter into spiritual union with Jesus, as '"one with God"""".

You are confusing the free gift of grace given at regeneration

Its not the gift of Grace, ........but the """Gift of Righteousness""", as i told you the last 20x.

Here it is again...

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might : become the righteousness of God..

English Standard Version
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Berean Standard Bible
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Berean Literal Bible
He made the One not having known sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

King James Bible
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

 

[Behold]

Churchianity, yes. Religious pretenders aside, unless one is actually born in Zion

"born again in Zion", is something you learned from some Heretic's Commentary...., as this is not a NT concept, phrase, verse, or doctrine.

MORMONS talk about "ZION" a lot...., but Calvinists dont.....so, you are quite an unfortunate blend of false theology.

See, Christians are born again "in CHRIST"......as "one with God"......By God's Holy Spirit......every single time a SINNER comes to God and gives God their faith in Christ, and is FORGIVEN.

Paul here is explaining that God imputes righteousness by faith

I just responded to your previous poste where you said that ""God does not impute His Rightousness"

See, you dont have a clue as to your own Theology.
It changes like a Black Flag blowing in the hot breeze...... = @whatever direction the wind blows next @Episkopos

 

[Episkopos]

"born again in Zion", is something you learned from some Heretic's Commentary...., as this is not a NT concept, phrase, verse, or doctrine.

MORMONS talk about "ZION" a lot...., but Calvinists dont.....so, you are quite an unfortunate blend of false theology.

LOL. All you understand is indoctrination. I was actually truly converted and taken up into Zion to walk there in the light in the power of Christ's resurrection. The poverty of your position and experience makes trying to convey simple spiritual things with you impossible. I guess you will continue to rely on the power of the mind. I rely on Christ alone.

See, Christians are born again "in CHRIST"......as "one with God"......By God's Holy Spirit......every single time a SINNER comes to God and gives God their faith in Christ, and is FORGIVEN.



I just responded to your previous poste where you said that ""God does not impute His Rightousness"

See, you dont have a clue as to your own Theology.
It changes like a Black Flag blowing in the hot breeze...... = @whatever direction the wind blows next @Episkopos

LOL You simply cannot understand. You can't read any difference between. God does not impute HIS righteousness...and... God imputes righteousness by faith.

Because you are unable to understand the most basic text...you will blame me as if I was the ignorant one. Such irony.

 

[Behold]

LOL. All you understand is indoctrination. I was actually truly converted and taken up into Zion to walk there in the light in the power of Christ's resurrection.

Christians are "seated heavenly places in Christ".

That not your doctrine......i noticed, for the 100th time Mr "higher walk in Zion".

Some of these kiddies on this forum, have not realized that your entire show.. is to try to sound spiritual and use these phrases that are completely made up religious fiction.

So, some people are always going to be fooled by this type of sound.......as they have no ability to discern it... @Episkopos

The poverty of your positiion..

I only posted Paul's Teaching.
So, if that is "poverty", yours is rot.

I vote that Paul's theology is True and yours is the oppostie, according to what you teach @Episkopos

God does not impute HIS righteousness...y.

Paul teaches in Romans Chapter 4....""""" the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes= righteousness apart from works""""

Paul also teaches...

""""""And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which only comes from GOD... through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from GOD...only based on faith"...

 

[Behold]

Who is trying to sell Calvinism? Where can I buy it from?

You can buy it daily on This Forum, from these Sellers : and a few others...

RitaJanice
Ronald Nolette
Net Chaplin
Episkapos
Pin Seeker
Brightframe

See, they will sell it to you by teaching it to you, and all it costs is your attention and the rest of your life....once you become one of them.

= A HyperCalvinist. @Josho

 

[David Lamb]

Paul does not teach a "doctrine of Grace"....>He teaches "Justification by Faith"

Calvin is the "doctrines of Grace".... T.U.L.I.P. theology.

So, anyone who is of that theology, was shown it by somene that teaches "TULIP">.., and to say you were not, is not a good idea.

Paul doesn't teach a teaching/doctrine of grace? Really? What about Ephesians 2? There we read Paul reminding Christians how they had been saved:

“And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)

 

[Episkopos]

Yet you posted many times that the "Cross is not about forgiveness"..

If you were to open up a bible instead of parroting an invented ideology you are now indoctrinated in...you would read about the blood of Christ CLEANSING from sin...into holiness. The gospel is not about forgiving people who are in bondage to sin. Read the bible. Jesus came to set the captives free....not speak to them through jail bars.

God inmputs Christ's Righteousness to the Christian, or they would not have it.

Paul teaches in Romans Chapter 4....""""" the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works""""

You are reading in your fancy error unto the text. Reading skills aside...it doesn't say that God imputes His own righteousness

You need a basic English lesson.

If a person imputes great speed to a sprinter that doesn't mean the person is imputing his own speed to the sprinter...he is merely attributing great speed to someone who is fast. Naturally religiously indoctrinated people will defend a poor reading.

Paul also teaches...

""""""And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which only comes from GOD... through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from GOD...only based on faith"...

So, did you want to deny this again? @Episkopos ?



Being born again is exactly how you become "IN CHrist".....which is to enter into spiritual union with Jesus, as '"one with God"""".



Its not the gift of Grace, ........but the """Gift of Righteousness""", as i told you the last 20x.

Here it is again...

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might : become the righteousness of God..

English Standard Version
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Berean Standard Bible
God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Berean Literal Bible
He made the One not having known sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

King James Bible
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

You are trusting men and a bad translation.

In Christ we FULFILL the righteousness of God. In Christ, the righteousness of God is fulfilled in us. That's how it should read...based on reading the same words elsewhere. If you have a concordance look at the word for fulfill. Maybe get someone with reading skills to help you.

Forcing a nonsensical meaning onto the text stretches the meaning way out of context. No one can become God's righteousness. The bible speaks of anointings or coverings. But no human can become an attribute of God.

 

[Behold]

Paul doesn't teach a teaching/doctrine of grace? Really? What about Ephesians 2? There we read Paul reminding Christians how they had been saved:

“And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)

You are doing what every Calvinist does........
They take something that CALVIN created........and you try to convince others that Paul wrote Calvin's TULIP>

He didnt.
Paul is not a Calvinist.

 

[Behold]

In Christ we FULFILL the righteousness of God. In Christ, the righteousness of God is fulfilled in us.

Actually Paul teaches that the born again has been given the "Gift of Righteousness".
The born agian is "made righteous"......having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

Also, you have told us many times that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness".

Paul says you are lying.........like this..

Ephesians 1:7 states, "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His grace."

"""""In Him we have redemption [that is, our deliverance and salvation] through His blood, [which paid the penalty for our sin and resulted in] the forgiveness = and complete pardon of our sin, in accordance with the riches of His grace"""

 

[Episkopos]

You are doing what every Calvinist does........
They take something that CALVIN created........and you try to convince others that Paul wrote Calvin's TULIP>

He didnt.
Paul is not a Calvinist.

Paul was not a Calvinist but neither was he a name-it claim-it artist, but that doesn't seem to deter you.