Rightly Dividing Calvinism

[Episkopos]

Actually Paul teaches that the born again has been given the "Gift of Righteousness".

This is where you are not understanding Paul. The gift of righteousness is not the same as an initial gift of grace. One is the sample (free gift) and the other must be sought after and "bought"...as the fulness of grace.

Only careful readers will pick up on the way Paul expresses himself. The gift of righteousness is by "abundant grace" or as John calls it "grace for grace". Peter calls this grace being multiplied.

The bible is full of subtleties...that try to explain the abundant power of the gospel to translate us into a higher walk in the Spirit where there is holiness. Religious people have no idea of this power and life.

The born agian is "made righteous"......having become "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

No. When a person enters INTO Christ the righteousness of God is fulfilled. The "made righteous" is by a covering over the saint that takes the person into a walk in Zion where Jesus is.

You attest to the fact that you have never walked in the Spirit. So you don't know what is being described in the bible.

Also, you have told us many times that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness".

The cross is about liberation and breaking and holiness. There is no need to forgive a person who is free from sin.

Paul says you are lying.........like this..

Ephesians 1:7 states, "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins according to the riches of His grace."

"""""In Him we have redemption [that is, our deliverance and salvation] through His blood, [which paid the penalty for our sin and resulted in] the forgiveness = and complete pardon of our sin, in accordance with the riches of His grace"""

the Greek word "aphesis" means freedom not forgiveness. Bible translators have sought to undermine the truth of certain words....but the scriptures say...freedom. Only English only people who trust in interpretations will fail to look at a Concordance and actually study the text.

It is only because of the abundance of the misuse of the word that new meanings have been imputed to it.

It's the way people now use the word"bad" to mean good. But modern usage changes the meaning of the word...just like words in the Bible have lost their meaning.

For any honest seekers out there...look at Luke 4:18 and compare with Is. 61:1....and you will get the meaning of the word "aphesis".

 

[Behold]

Paul was not a Calvinist but neither was he a name-it claim-it artist, but that doesn't seem to deter you.

You are a legalistic cult theology teacher, based on your warped Theology that you teach in Threads. @Episkopos .
You are trying to "do righteousness" to get into heaven, which is why you reject "imputed righteousness", as "The Gift of Righteousness".

Also...
"name it and claim it"......is a phrase that is related to the "Pentecostal - Charismatic" and "word of Faith" movements that were created by an English Evangelist named EW Kenyon.
This stuff was evoloved by Kenneth Hagan, Copeland......and with people like Oral Roberts and Marylin HIckey, and of course, Aimee Semple McPherson, and Kathern Culman.

Im not any of that, and by saying that .. this does not mean that i deny the 9 Gifts of the Spirit, nor do i deny a "prayer language".

So, what i do claim is that The Cross of Christ provides these 3 and so much more.... for every believer, as Paul Teaches.

1.) "The Gift of Salvation

2.) "THe Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS

3.) "The Gift of Eternal Life".

 

[Episkopos]

You are a legalistic cult theology teacher, based on your warped Theology that you teach in Threads. @Episkopos .

It just seems like that from your legalistic cult theology perspective. I speak the truth. because of that many will flip their own error onto me and claim I'm doing what they are doing. So you have described your own religious condition.

You are trying to "do righteousness" to get into heaven,

I have faith in God....not some religious formula. And the Bible fully attests that "doing righteousness" is a requirement for acceptance with God. If you read the bible for yourself..instead of following cult leaders...you would not disparage the scriptures as you do.

You can't take a few verses out of context that you don't understand...and then seek to destroy the truth of all the other passages. Only cult people do that.

which is why you reject "imputed righteousness", as "The Gift of Righteousness".

If something is imputed then it can't be a gift. Check out any 4th grader for advice if you have a hard time understanding that.

Also...
"name it and claim it"......is a phrase that is related to the "Pentecostal - Charismatic" and "word of Faith" movements that were created by an English Evangelist named EW Kenyon.
This stuff was evoloved by Kenneth Hagan, Copeland......and with people like Oral Roberts and Marylin HIckey, and of course, Aimee Semple McPherson, and Kathern Culman.

Im not any of that, and by saying that .. this does not mean that i deny the 9 Gifts of the Spirit, nor do i deny a "prayer language".

So, what i do claim is that The Cross of Christ provides these 3 and so much more.... for every believer, as Paul Teaches.

1.) "The Gift of Salvation

2.) "THe Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS

3.) "The Gift of Eternal Life".

Name it and claim it. See how that works out for you. All talk, no power.

 

[David Lamb]

Then you were tricked by a demon to twist what God's Word teaches in to calvinism

Nobody can get saved until they turn away from their sins.

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins

The act of turning to the Lord is the act of turning away from sin if one is doing it in sincerity

Paul wrote to the Ephesian Christians and told them that they had been saved by God's grace when they were "dead in trespasses and sins":

“And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),” (Eph 2:1-5 NKJV)

Was Paul tricked by a demon to believe that?

 

[Behold]

This is where you are not understanding Paul. The gift of righteousness is not the same as an initial gift of grace. One is the sample (free gift) and the other must be sought after and "bought"...as the fulness of grace.

So, you are falsely claiming that a Christian, has to seek God's Grace after they have it....., because its not completed and eternally given to them as Jesus's Sacrifice that is God's Grace.
And so you are implying that they have to finsih God's Grace, to go to heaven as if The Cross of Christ is not God's Grace that is the only Way there.......John 14:6
So, your Theology is not related to the NT..
You say the word "Paul" a lot, as you noticed me doing it a lot....so, thats not going to help you.

The gift of righteousness is by "abundant grace" or as John calls it "grace for grace". Peter calls this grace being multiplied.

God's Grace is The Cross of Christ, whereby a sinner can become eternally forgiven = and born again, as a "new creation" in Christ.

gospel to translate us into a higher walk in the Spirit where there is holiness.

The Gospel is that Jesus died on the Cross as God's Sacrifice for the sin of the world, was buried, and rose again.

Your "Gospel" is not that one, @Episkopos ......so, Paul defines it and you as : Galatians 1:8

The "made righteous" is by a covering over the saint that takes the person into a walk in Zion where Jesus is.

The "made righteous", is the born again Spirit that has become "in Christ" as "One With God".
This is the "new Creation", who is "seated in heavenly places, in Christ".
This is every single born again Christian.

A.) THe Born again Christian.

You attest to the fact that you have never walked in the Spirit. So you don't know what is being described in the bible.

You attest to the fact that you lie a lot about other people on this forum., with your false innuendo.

As for me, i walk in the spirit, and have gifts of the Spirit.
I teach all this, as Paul teaches it.

The cross is about liberation and breaking and holiness. There is no need to forgive a person who is free from sin.

The Cross is where God will forgive a sinner, all their sin, as otherwise Jesus says they will "die in their sins"

Being made "free from sin"... is when the "old man of sin, is crucified with Christ"., and the Christian is to "reckon him dead".

the Greek word "aphesis" means freedom not forgiveness.

You are still trying to Prove that Jesus's Blood that the Lord shed on The Cross, has not forgiven the sin, of a sinner.

That's remarkable Heresy, as its denying The Cross @Episkopos

Paul teaches that The Cross of Christ is where Jesus forgives the sin of a Sinner. John Teaches it here... John 3:16


Paul teaches..

"""""In JESUS we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace"""

 

[Behold]

It just seems like that from your legalistic cult theology perspective.

You are the person who teaches that you are trying to end up in heaven by "doing righteousness".... and you'll state this again for all to witness... Mr Legalist.

So, That is not NT Theoloy, that is a cult teaching, it is LEGALISM..... and its your personal Salvation Theory.

Whereas........The NT says that Jesus is the only Way to the Father, John 14:6..... and His Cross where He was slain for the sin of the world... is thereby the Only Way to the Father.

I speak the truth.

In your mind, im certain you believe that your Self Saving Legalism is your persona path to God........however, when any student of Soteriology looks at your bizarre, kinda crazy concepts, that you cloak in the half dozen spiritual sounding phrases you constantly recycle through per. post, per Thread....then anyone who understand's God's Gift of Salvation ... WHO is found on The Cross, recognizes that what you teach, is very strange indeed. It is Anti-Cross Anti-God's Grace = theology that pretends to teach Grace.

And its very confused.........they way you present it.........so, anyone on the Forum who does not really understand God's Salvation, can be easily deceived by you.......

. And the Bible fully attests that "doing righteousness" is a requirement for acceptance with God.

You posted that "doing righteousness" is required before God will accept you.
So, that is "Cross denying Heresy", whereby a deceiver is teaching that a person has to offer God their Righteousness so that He will accepot them.
But you dont have any Righteousness, as you are the person that falsely teaches that God didnt Give you His.. .. remember.????
So, whose Rightesouness are you trying to give to God?

A.) Your own Self Righteousness

Listen,
God has offered His Rightesouness, to the Believer, as "The Gift of Righteousness"... as "the imputed righteousness of Christ"... and this is offered to everyone while they are 'yet a sinner", as "God justifies the ungodly".. . when they Give God their Faith in Christ.. and Our "Faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness"...

So, you are simply teaching a bizarre sounding version of Hyper-Legalism......and nothing more. Same as 3 yrs ago... @Episkopos

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Paul wrote to the Ephesian Christians and told them that they had been saved by God's grace when they were "dead in trespasses and sins":

“And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others. But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),” (Eph 2:1-5 NKJV)

Was Paul tricked by a demon to believe that?

Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Yeah so tell me what the Bible says we must do to become born again.

If a person continues in sin not repenting from doing that which is evil, it's all good with the Lord?

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins

Is Acts 26:18 a lie? Are Proverbs 28:13 and 1 John 1:9 lies as well?

The devil wants to deceive people in to thinking they can continue in their sin because he has experienced reaping what is sown and he knows first hand that God is not mocked, what you reap is what you sow. To say we do not reap what we sow is mocking God according to Galatians 6:7,8

If we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption - so in getting born again we must sow to the Spirit so we reap life which is why confessing and forsaking our sin does as we call upon the Name of the Lord for salvation (deliverance)

Any reason why we should not believe and act on God's whole counsel?

 

[Josho]

You are a legalistic cult theology teacher, based on your warped Theology that you teach in Threads. @Episkopos .
You are trying to "do righteousness" to get into heaven, which is why you reject "imputed righteousness", as "The Gift of Righteousness".

Also...
"name it and claim it"......is a phrase that is related to the "Pentecostal - Charismatic" and "word of Faith" movements that were created by an English Evangelist named EW Kenyon.
This stuff was evoloved by Kenneth Hagan, Copeland......and with people like Oral Roberts and Marylin HIckey, and of course, Aimee Semple McPherson, and Kathern Culman.

Im not any of that, and by saying that .. this does not mean that i deny the 9 Gifts of the Spirit, nor do i deny a "prayer language".

So, what i do claim is that The Cross of Christ provides these 3 and so much more.... for every believer, as Paul Teaches.

1.) "The Gift of Salvation

2.) "THe Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS

3.) "The Gift of Eternal Life".

...........

Who isn't in a cult here @Behold?

What I don't understand is so many of us agree on the way for eternal life, so what is the problem?....

And is not the Gospel of Christ about God's love and grace for mankind through the Lord Jesus Christ?

I am not sure what you have against a doctrine of grace.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I am not sure what you have against a doctrine of grace.

Most of what is taught as "the doctrine of grace" is actually the devil's counterfeit "we can all live in sin, it's all good because we are under grace" which leads many to be tares, or CINOs (Christians in name only)

Jude 1:4
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

 

[Behold]

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Who isn't in a cult here @Behold?

Well, do you want me to answer your question based on "Mainline Denominations".......or on Paul's Theology?

Lets go with "mainline denominations".


Who isn't in a cult. ???????????????????

Anyone who isn't a Mormon, or a Catholic, or a JW, or a Calvinist, or a Muslim......is a good place to start the " christian cult search"/.
Or.....Anyone who has not been taught to believe that their Salvation only lasts for as long as they are good, and understands that "in Christ alone, we find God's Salvation, as a "Gift".
Or, ... Anyone does not teach that water baptism has to be a part of becoming a Christian, and who teaches that "in Christ alone" we find God's Salvation, as a "Gift".

So, there is a start.......regarding """discovery of a cult member" on a Forum like this one..

"well behold, God requries that we show cult members, LOVE LOVE LOVE".

No He doesn't, but Forum rules here, speak otherwise, and deceived people on most "christian forums"... dont know the difference.

So, Im sure you'll have something else to say.. @Josho , as you were very much trying to defend the MaryCult, there for a while.
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[Big Boy Johnson]

Well, do you want me to answer your question based on "Mainline Denominations".......or on Paul's Theology?

It would be better to walk in the Doctrine of Christ.

Paul is not the Lord and he's nobody's messiah, and Paul taught the Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles because they followed the teachings of Jesus Christ unlike many today.

The Lord talks in His Word about those who do not follow Him:

2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

It's very dangerous for these people following Paul to deny the Lord that bought them as this results in the Lord rejecting them.

They should follow the Lord Jesus and quit idolizing Paul

 

[Josho]

Most of what is taught as "the doctrine of grace" is actually the devil's counterfeit "we can all live in sin, it's all good because we are under grace" which leads many to be tares, or CINOs (Christians in name only)

Jude 1:4
For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Oh okay, thanks for explaining, I don't think I would call that or describe it as "the doctrine of grace".

 

[Behold]

It would be better to walk in the Doctrine of Christ.

It would be best to do this.... and once you figure this verse out @Big Boy Johnson , you wont be so easily led around on the forum by Calvinists who think you are very very funny.
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Paul said....
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New International Version
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

New Living Translation
For I decided that while I was with you I would forget everything except Jesus Christ, the one who was crucified.

English Standard Version
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Berean Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Berean Literal Bible
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him having been crucified.

King James Bible
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New King James Version
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

New American Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1995
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

NASB 1977
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Legacy Standard Bible
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

Amplified Bible
for I made the decision to know nothing [that is, to forego philosophical or theological discussions regarding inconsequential things and opinions while] among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified [and the meaning of His redemptive, substitutionary death and His resurrection].

Christian Standard Bible
I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For I didn’t think it was a good idea to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

American Standard Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Contemporary English Version
In fact, while I was with you, I made up my mind to speak only about Jesus Christ, who had been nailed to a cross.

English Revised Version
For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
While I was with you, I decided to deal with only one subject-Jesus Christ, who was crucified.

Good News Translation
For while I was with you, I made up my mind to forget everything except Jesus Christ and especially his death on the cross.

International Standard Version
For while I was with you I resolved to know nothing except Jesus the Messiah, and him crucified.

NET Bible
For I decided to be concerned about nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

New Heart English Bible
For I determined not to know anything among you, except Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Webster's Bible Translation
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Weymouth New Testament
For I determined to be utterly ignorant, when among you, of everything except of Jesus Christ, and of Him as having been crucified.
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

World English Bible
For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Oh okay, thanks for explaining, I don't think I would call that or describe it as "the doctrine of grace".

Yeah being sin friendly is not walking in the grace of the Lord Jesus

It's weird that so many claiming to be Christians proudly proclaim they they are sinners as though this is a badge of honor

 

[Behold]

Yeah being sin friendly is not walking in the grace of the Lord Jesus

@Josho , is not "sin friendly".

They are here to learn, to discuss, to complain if they feel like it.........and they have a right to do it.

You on the other hand, are just here to make noise and get attention. @Big Boy Johnson .

And remember that i told you, to stop posting Calvin's TULIP Doctrine as these HyperCalvinist's want you to do, as they know that if a Christian reads it.. it can ruin their faith for life, exaclty like it ruined theirs.
See, TULIP.....doctrine..... will blind your mind, and cause you to become a sort of mind owned person who wants to lead other Christians into CALVINISM.
As that is what it does to you...........So DONT READ IT..... Readers....>Its very powerful DARK enlightenment., and you dont want that inside you.

 

[Josho]

Well, do you want me to answer your question based on "Mainline Denominations".......or on Paul's Theology?

Lets go with "mainline denominations".


Who isn't in a cult. ???????????????????

Anyone who isn't a Mormon, or a Catholic, or a JW, or a Calvinist, or a Muslim......is a good place to start the " christian cult search"/.
Or.....Anyone who has not been taught to believe that their Salvation only lasts for as long as they are good, and understands that "in Christ alone, we find God's Salvation, as a "Gift".
Or, ... Anyone does not teach that water baptism has to be a part of becoming a Christian, and who teaches that "in Christ alone" we find God's Salvation, as a "Gift".

So, there is a start.......regarding """discovery of a cult member" on a Forum like this one..

"well behold, God requries that we show cult members, LOVE LOVE LOVE".

No He doesn't, but Forum rules here, speak otherwise, and deceived people on most "christian forums"... dont know the difference.

So, Im sure you'll have something else to say.. @Josho , as you were very much trying to defend the MaryCult, there for a while.
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Just for the record there are certain parts of the Catholic doctrine I don't practice or agree on. Same with Calvinist doctrine of predestination, and if we want to look at other denominations, there are other things I also disagree with.

I guess we can say though they do both have their strong points, just like SDAs and Pentecostals also have their strong points.

I would not consider either of them cults though. Those that are true to the faith, do keep Jesus & the price He paid on that cross as the reason that each one of us can have eternal life today if we accept Him and believe in Him, without Jesus there is no Salvation.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It would be best to do this....

So that's what I'll continue to do is follow the Doctrine of Christ and not accept the scripture twisting of the calvinists or any other group not walking in the Doctrine of Christ.

Jesus has provided me with a copy of HIS doctrine!

I don't need anybody else's doctrine.

Paul said....

I'm looking at what Jesus taught in the red letters as well as what Jesus taught thru all the New Testament writers.

Unlike most people these days, the Apostles all listened to the Holy Spirit and taught the Doctrine of Christ!

 

[Josho]

Just for the record there are certain parts of the Catholic doctrine I don't practice or agree on. Same with Calvinist doctrine of predestination, and if we want to look at other denominations, there are other things I also disagree with.

I guess we can say though they do both have their strong points, just like SDAs and Pentecostals also have their strong points.

I would not consider either of them cults though. Those that are true to the faith, do keep Jesus & the price He paid on that cross as the reason that each one of us can have eternal life today if we accept Him and believe in Him, without Jesus there is no Salvation.

In saying all that, there is not one perfect denomination, and there is not one perfect Christian here on earth.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And remember that i told you, to stop posting Calvin's TULIP Doctrine as these HyperCalvinist's want you to do, as they know that if a Christian reads it.. it can ruin their faith for life, exaclty like ruined theirs.

In your view nobody should compare calvinist doctrine with the Doctrine of Christ and point out that the Doctrine of Christ is correct and calvin's doctrine is wrong?

God's Word says to reprove the unfruitful works of darkness so sadly your assessment is incorrect.
Maybe you can do better next time!

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

How about you do your thing and I do mine and you quit trying to tell me what to do.

Maybe you think everyone is required to bow down to you and follow your orders or something? Weird.

 

[Behold]

Just for the record there are certain parts of the Catholic doctrine I don't practice or agree on. Same with Calvinist doctrine of predestination, and if we want to look at other denominations, there are other things I also disagree with.

I guess we can say though they do both have their strong points, just like SDAs and Pentecostals also have their strong points.

I would not consider either of them cults though. Those that are true to the faith, do keep Jesus & the price He paid on that cross as the reason that each one of us can have eternal life today if we accept Him and believe in Him, without Jesus there is no Salvation.

Ok,

Now lets look at how you discover a "christian cult"........using Paul's theology.....and this does not mean that there are not Christians in it some cults.

Now, Its very simple.
Its just one thing they all do..

A.) Notice : What have they done with THE CROSS ??........when they teach Their Salvation Doctrine/Gospel. ????

See, Reader... The Cross of Christ.......is very Specific. Its this....

= Jesus on The Cross is the only Way God has provided whereby a sinner can be forgiven all SIN.....which then allows God to give them :

"The Gift of Righteousness"
"The Gift of Salvation"
"The Gift of Eternal Life".

Now....A person's Eternal Salvation has 2 parts.

1.) Sins have to be forgiven
2.) God then gives the person a spiritual Birth.........into Himself........as "in Christ".. ."One with God".

Now, how do the cults twist that, so that you can discover them?

First and foremost.........they will try to LIMIT The Cross to only SOME sinners may be saved.

Then....A Cult will aways ADD TO the Cross.......something.......like these.

1.) Pray to Mary, for Jesus to save you.

2.) Water baptism has to be a part of Salvation

3.) Unless you endure to the end......you wont be saved in the end

4.) Commandment keeping

5.) Holding unto your Faith

6.) Trying to "do righteness" so that God will have you.

Now those are the most basic..."add ons" that a Cult or Cult member will add to The Cross, = which denies it.
See, thats the issue....as when you add some "to do"...."you must do"........to the Cross of Christ, then you are denying HIM, and that is what cult theology always does.

Learn to recognize when a deceiver or their cult, is ADDING something to the Cross of Christ for you to DO, to complete your Salvation.