What Does it Mean…..?

[Hiddenthings]

”Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”

There is a knowledge of truth in the world, where those who have diligently studied the Word of God have gained understanding of the Scriptures and the events yet to unfold. Though this group is small, perhaps numbering in the tens of thousands, I believe there is a remnant poised to be revealed in the final days before Christ’s return to the Earth. However, I would suggest that the Jehovah’s Witnesses are not part of this remnant for reasons we have thoroughly explored.

Not a comprehensive list but demonstrates the point rather well.

• The Times of Noah – Noah's Remnant
  • Genesis 6:8-9: “But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
• The Remnant Who Crossed Over – Exodus from Egypt
  • Exodus 12:37-41: “And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot that were men, beside children. And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle... And it came to pass the selfsame day that the Lord did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies.”
• Elijah’s Remnant – The 7,000 Who Had Not Bowed to Baal
  • 1 Kings 19:18: “Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him.”
• The Remnant After the Babylonian Exile
  • Jeremiah 23:3: “And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.”
  • Ezra 9:8-9: “And now for a little space grace hath been shewed from the Lord our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a nail in his holy place, that our God may lighten our eyes, and give us a little reviving in our bondage.”
• The Remnant After the Invasion of the Northern Kingdom (Israel by Assyria)
  • Isaiah 10:20-22: “And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God... For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.”
• The Remnant After the Battle of Gog and Magog
  • Ezekiel 39:28: “Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.”
• The Remnant After Two-Thirds Are Destroyed
  • Zechariah 13:8-9: “And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.”

I could add NT examples as well, but you can see the point. Divided Christendom is not the remnant.

You Jane should focus intently on the last point! Rather topical given the truth revealed about Psalm 118.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I could add NT examples as well, but you can see the point. Divided Christendom is not the remnant.

A lot of us know that…..but the examples you gave predate Jesus. Does it speak of a more obedient nation?

NT Scripture concentrates on spiritual Israel, (Gal 6:16) ”the Israel of God” were not just natural Jews but included gentiles in their number…..these came into existence when natural Israel rejected their Messiah, and had him executed……and a “remnant” of natural Israel became Christ’s disciples, forming the ‘skeleton’ of his body which has been ‘fleshed out’ over time. There is “neither Jew nor Greek” in their number.

You Jane should focus intently on the last point! Rather topical given the truth revealed about Psalm 118.

You have already been shown so many scriptures that demonstrate that natural Israel is not “the Israel of God”….this is a new Israel, chosen by God because of their faithful obedience to the teachings of his son ….something natural Israel could never get right….and who, to this day reject their Messiah.

The political nation of today is up to its neck in bloodshed and political turmoil…..but individuals from that nation are welcomed by Jehovah……but the Israel of today, is as lost as the nations they are fighting.

Perhaps it is you who are blind to the truth.…and “until” might be NEVER, because Israel are not reformable, and earthly Jerusalem is no longer the seat of God’s worship…..as Jesus told the Samaritan woman.

A global faith requires a global administration…..”Heavenly Jerusalem” will bring God’s rulership to redeemed mankind found in every nation on earth, but Jesus and his elect will not walk the earth in human form again. They will rule from their central location where the grand spiritual Temple is located.
The Temple is the body of Christ. (1 Pet 2:5)

 

[Hiddenthings]

A lot of us know that…..but the examples you gave predate Jesus. Does it speak of a more obedient nation?

Yes it does!

NT Scripture concentrates on spiritual Israel, (Gal 6:16) ”the Israel of God” were not just natural Jews but included gentiles in their number…..these came into existence when natural Israel rejected their Messiah, and had him executed……and a “remnant” of natural Israel became Christ’s disciples, forming the ‘skeleton’ of his body which has been ‘fleshed out’ over time. There is “neither Jew nor Greek” in their number.

Jeremiah 31 speaks to the same truth, yet your eyes remain blind to its message, so deep is your avoidance of the true Israel of God that you won't even engage with the text.

You have already been shown so many scriptures that demonstrate that natural Israel is not “the Israel of God”….this is a new Israel, chosen by God because of their faithful obedience to the teachings of his son ….something natural Israel could never get right….and who, to this day reject their Messiah.

You know this isn’t true, and what you do know to be true is that there are countless passages and prophecies you overlook, including many Old Testament scriptures that clearly speak of the New Covenant. It’s as if you’ve torn out entire books of the Bible just to preserve your definition of the 'Israel of God,' even if it means sacrificing a proper understanding of how and when the Kingdom of God on Earth will truly begin.

This is becoming an increasingly noticeable issue, one that you will eventually need to address, and not with the dismissive remarks you’ve been relying on

The political nation of today is up to its neck in bloodshed and political turmoil…..but individuals from that nation are welcomed by Jehovah……but the Israel of today, is as lost as the nations they are fighting.

As of today yes, but you're viewing these matters through fleshly eyes rather than through the lens of prophetic Scripture, how ironic, considering you often boast of doing just that in other discussions

Perhaps it is you who are blind to the truth.…and “until” might be NEVER, because Israel are not reformable, and earthly Jerusalem is no longer the seat of God’s worship…..as Jesus told the Samaritan woman.

No Jane, you know you are wrong on this - majorly wrong!

I mean you can't even discern Psalm 118 and apply to the Lords Prophetical Words and that's a simple prophecy to understand!

A global faith requires a global administration…..”Heavenly Jerusalem”

Which comes "down" out of Heaven!

will bring God’s rulership to redeemed mankind found in every nation on earth, but Jesus and his elect will not walk the earth in human form again. They will rule from their central location where the grand spiritual Temple is located.
The Temple is the body of Christ. (1 Pet 2:5)

“Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.”

This Temple of Christ is on earth Jane!

1 Peter 1:5: "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

Revealed how Jane?

“This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11

It's elementary teaching that all the Apostles understood.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I mean you can't even discern Psalm 118 and apply to the Lords Prophetical Words and that's a simple prophecy to understand!

You keep missing that all important point…..that all the prophesies fulfilled on “Israel” pertain to the true “Israel of God”….who are NOT just Jews in the Middle East. Spiritual Israel is the only Israel that God accepts…..are you blind yourself? And Jesus told us that literal Jerusalem would not be the seat of God’s worship any more. Rehashing is not getting us anywhere. I don’t believe that you have the truth, and you yourself are ignoring a lot of plainly stated scripture.

It's elementary teaching that all the Apostles understood.

Not the way you teach it….

But I am not riding this merry-go-round with you anymore…..you a can ride it on your own….
And we will all know soon enough who was telling the truth as the Bible tells it….not forcing it to say what it doesn’t.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You keep missing that all important point…..that all the prophesies fulfilled on “Israel” pertain to the true “Israel of God”….who are NOT just Jews in the Middle East. Spiritual Israel is the only Israel that God accepts…..are you blind yourself? And Jesus told us that literal Jerusalem would not be the seat of God’s worship any more. Rehashing is not getting us anywhere. I don’t believe that you have the truth, and you yourself are ignoring a lot of plainly stated scripture.

Jane, is this fulfilled in Israel today, let alone Jerusalem?

“People will no longer need to teach their neighbors and relatives to know me. For all of them, from the least important to the most important, will know me,” says the Lord. “For I will forgive their sin and will no longer call to mind the wrong they have done.” Je 31:34.

Don't smudge the text out with your imported doctrine!

I always know when you are struggling with non-JW beliefs...you stop using Scripture - its telling Jane

Not the way you teach it….

But I am not riding this merry-go-round with you anymore…..you a can ride it on your own….
And we will all know soon enough who was telling the truth as the Bible tells it….not forcing it to say what it doesn’t.

So let Jeremiah 31 speak for itself...what exactly does it say, Jane?


Can you point to any time in recent history when the New Covenant has actually been written on the hearts of the Jewish people? A time when, collectively, they have truly known God?

Honestly, it’s starting to seem like you either pick and choose which prophecies to acknowledge, or perhaps you’re not really considering them at all.

What’s especially puzzling is that you do recognise that Israel has been regathered to the land by God, and you understand the current spiritual condition they’re in. Yet, you won’t allow yourself to see their prophetic future.

Why is that?

Could it be that doing so would require stepping outside the doctrinal boundaries of your religious community? And perhaps that’s something you feel you just can’t do?

Let me ask you directly:

If you came to realise that the JW teachings about the end times weren’t aligned with Scripture, would you try to teach the truth to those around you or would you be willing to walk away from that body altogether?

 

[ScottA]

Yes…I have studied them for years…

Those books do not replace the Bible……who are you? Or should I say…”who do YOU think you are?

Apparently you too have “your own ideas” and an exaggerated view of their importance. I have no answer for that.

No…..but I’m beginning to think you have….? Where will I find evidence for that?
Your own authority on these things does not ring true to me, even though your sincerity does…..one can be sincerely deceived. No one is beyond the devil’s ability to deceive….he is an expert at it.

There is good reason to believe that all such things ended when the last apostle died, which was to make way for the crop of “weeds” that the devil was to plant, engulfing the human race with a counterfeit “Christianity” that we see has taken over the whole world.

This is why Jesus said that no one can come to the son unless they are personally “drawn” by his Father and who are then invited into his spiritual family. (John 6:44; 65) These are united in their worship in one global brotherhood, who are obedient to the Christ in all things. They are “no part of the world” (John 17:16; 18:36) and they are a hated minority as Jesus said they would be. (John 15:18-21; Matt 7:13-14)

I perceive that what Jesus started would continue….and what he started, drew faithful Jews out of a corrupted religious system that God had not corrected for centuries, because his prophets were ignored and murdered. (Matt 23:37-30)
When Jesus arrived as Messiah, he spoke to the crowds of “lost sheep” who followed him, and he exposed the religious leaders of the Jewish people as hypocritical frauds….bound for Gehenna. (Matt 23:33)

How did the first Christians operate? As their numbers increased, they formed local congregations which were always kept small because the “shepherds” assigned to care for them had to know them individually and treat them as loved family members. As the word spread, so did the congregations of Christ’s disciples, so this is the model. It does not ever mention Christians in isolation….those who have their own ideas and who promote a truth that only they believe. If you have no visible brotherhood, who hold the same beliefs and meet together regularly, (Heb 10:24-25) you cannot be a Christian.

True to Jesus warning, the devil was going to sow “weeds among the wheat” and he corrupted Christianity just as he had done with Judaism…he introduced corruptible leadership.
Men began to introduce ideas of their own and to graft pagan concepts over scriptural truths….to the point today, where “Christendom” masquerades as “Christianity” and has the whole “Christian” world worshipping a god who does not exist in Scripture. Their entire foundation rests on false beliefs. If the foundation is faulty, “built on sand”, then the whole building will collapse as the “storm” is coming….soon.

You asked, "What does it mean?"

I told you...and I have answered all your questions (even if you do not know it).

And that thing that has been a problem between us--it's because you do not consider all scripture, but only parts.