The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[ewq1938]

Who is involved in the great tribulation? Nimrod.

No prophecy says anything about Nimrod being part of the endtimes beasts or tribulation.

 

[ewq1938]

In Daniel 7 the fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire.

In the end times, the kingdom that the ten kings and the little horn person come out of is the same fourth kingdom, but manifested in the end times. The Roman Empire manifested in the end times is the EU.

Daniel says the 4th beast will be judged and destroyed at a coming of God. He did not say the beast somehow is able to survive the fire judgment and return centuries later in a new form.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel says the 4th beast will be judged and destroyed at a coming of God. He did not say the beast somehow is able to survive the fire judgment and return centuries later in a new form.

The EU will end when Jesus returns.

 

[ewq1938]

The EU will end when Jesus returns.

But the EU is not the 4th beast in Daniel or the beast in Rev 13. Daniel's 4th beast could not be Rome because nothing written there matches Rome historically, nor is the Rev 13 beast Rome or a Rome variant.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Who is involved in the great tribulation? Nimrod. He is the beast of the sea who was and is not and will come again. He is the eighth king and is of the seven.

Nimrod lived 4200 years ago, a grandson of Noah. A mighty hunter. Some scholars suggest he might have been a king of Babel. He served his purpose, died and that was that. Where did you get this view that what ... he will come back to life?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The false prophet of Revelation 13 will be a Jew, who the Jews will initially believe is Elijah. The Jews (Judaism) expect Elijah to come and be a part of the start up to the messianic age. A Jewish custom is to set a dinner plate for Elijah at their Passover meal - to stress that expectation.

In Revelation 13:13, the false prophet calls fire down from heaven - which the prophet Elijah did in his confrontation with the prophets of Baal.

The Jews (Judaism) believe that the king of Israel messiah will be anointed king of Israel by a "known" prophet, similar to what Saul and David, anointed by the prophet Samuel, and Solomon anointed by the prophet Nathan

The false prophet will be the one who will anoint the prince that shall come in Daniel 9:26, the king of Israel, thus making the prince that shall come the Antichrist.

I am not an adherent of Daniel's 70 weeks/ Gap view. That prophecy spokebof Jesus 1st coming with several added allusions to the Temple being destroyed as well. I know it is the Pre-Trib view - they cling to. It's one of many views and that's okay, I would prefer you guys were right - don't feel like going through any of the GT. But I hold tobthe 7th Trumpet as thr last, at which time we'll be snatched up. Tha means we'll have to suffer through much of it- just not the Bowls of Wrath.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Did Daniel write about the AC figure and another person who assists him? When Paul wrote of the man of sin, commonly believed to be the AC, did he also write of this other supportive person?

The Antichrist is implied in Daniel 7 & 8 as the Little Horn.
In Rev. 13 ot discusses 2 beasts. But actually the Dragon (Satan) is there as well empowering them (all antichrists). They call it the unholy trinity.

Rev. 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone

 

[ewq1938]

The Antichrist is implied in Daniel 7 & 8 as the Little Horn.

Yes and like Paul, there is just the AC singular figure not a second person who works with him. So, in Rev 13 there is not two persons, an Ac and a FP. It is a kingdom and the FP who is the AC. One person not two just like Daniel and Paul described.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Yes and like Paul, there is just the AC singular figure not a second person who works with him. So, in Rev 13 there is not two persons, an Ac and a FP. It is a kingdom and the FP who is the AC. One person not two just like Daniel and Paul described.

There are different views of Rev. 13. Many Pre-Mil scholars like John MacArthur claim that the beast of the sea is the Antichrist and the beast of the earth a religious leader who supports the Antichrist.

Even AI can sort that out ... without discernment, because it is plainly and literally written that way:
"According to various interpretations of biblical prophecy, particularly within Christian eschatology, both an Antichrist (also known as the "beast" from the sea) and a False Prophet (also known as the "beast" from the earth) are expected to emerge and play significant roles during the coming Great Tribulation period.
Here's what the Bible, especially the book of Revelation, says about them:

• The Antichrist:
  
  • Often portrayed as a powerful political and military leader who will dominate the world.
  • He is described as rising from the "sea" of humanity and embodying the characteristics of previous world kingdoms.
  • He will have authority and power given to him by Satan.
  • Some interpret him as the "man of lawlessness" who will oppose and exalt himself against God.
• The False Prophet:
  
  • Described as a religious figure who will support and promote the worship of the Antichrist.
  • He will perform miraculous signs to deceive people, including calling down fire from heaven.
  • He will cause the earth's inhabitants to worship the Antichrist and demand that they receive a mark to buy or sell.
  • This mark, known as the "mark of the Beast," is often associated with the number 666.
  • The False Prophet's activities will focus on religion, solidifying the Antichrist's political power.

Their role in the Great Tribulation:
Together, the Antichrist and the False Prophet will form an "unholy trinity," working under Satan's influence to deceive the world and establish a false system of worship. They will control various aspects of society, including politics, religion, and the economy, seeking to usurp God's glory."

>> Just curious, where did you get your view, what scholars are behind it?

Anyways, no need to squabble, you go ahead and hold tightly to your view as many do, wait and observe when it soon happens ... maybe it will unfold as you say?

 

[The Light]

No prophecy says anything about Nimrod being part of the endtimes beasts or tribulation.

Or is it no prophecy that you are aware says anything about Nimrod being part of the endtimes beasts or tribulation.

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[The Light]

Nimrod lived 4200 years ago, a grandson of Noah. A mighty hunter. Some scholars suggest he might have been a king of Babel. He served his purpose, died and that was that. Where did you get this view that what ... he will come back to life?

I get the idea from scripture. Here is Jesus warning the Jews that will be alive during the end times, when they say to you behold, he is in the desert, in the secret chamber, believe it not. He lets the Jews know that He will come as lightning from the east to the west. Don't be fooled.

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

The Beast was and is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit. The beast was and is not and yet is.

Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The Word says that the beast was and is not is the eighth (and final) king and is of the seven. Nimrod was the first king who created the first world empire. He is of the seven.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Nimrod had the deadly wound of the sword and will live again.

Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I will post more verses that will prove that Nimrod is the eighth king. There are many.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I get the idea from scripture. Here is Jesus warning the Jews that will be alive during the end times, when they say to you behold, he is in the desert, in the secret chamber, believe it not. He lets the Jews know that He will come as lightning from the east to the west. Don't be fooled.

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

The Beast was and is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit. The beast was and is not and yet is.

Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The Word says that the beast was and is not is the eighth (and final) king and is of the seven. Nimrod was the first king who created the first world empire. He is of the seven.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Nimrod had the deadly wound of the sword and will live again.

Revelation 13
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

I will post more verses that will prove that Nimrod is the eighth king. There are many.

They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer). Rev. 9:11

The Abyss is opened at the sound of the 5th Trumpet and a swarm of demonic creatures are released along with kne of Satan's prince's, Apollyon.
You can't be so sure of yourself! These passages have been examined a million times and yet there still are many views.
Revelation is not chronological and so putting the puzzle together is not easy.
This Antichrist is a living person, but then suffers a deadly blow (maybe goes into a comma for 3 days), then it could be that this Apollyon, ( a powerful fallen angel) when released from the Abyss, possesses this individual. Then he shows miraculous powers.
You claim Nimrod, a dead king from 2200 BC. comes back to life - where did you get that one? You say scripture, but NT scripture does not mention his name.

 

[ewq1938]

Or is it no prophecy that you are aware says anything about Nimrod being part of the endtimes beasts or tribulation.

There is no such prophecy else you would be posting it. This is like someone saying Judas or Cain will resurrect and return to rule as the beast. It's made up, like the Nimrod nonsense.

 

[Douggg]

But the EU is not the 4th beast in Daniel or the beast in Rev 13. Daniel's 4th beast could not be Rome because nothing written there matches Rome historically, nor is the Rev 13 beast Rome or a Rome variant.

The Romans occupied Israel at the time Jesus was crucified - cut off.

The four kingdoms of Daniel 7 and Daniel 2's first four kingdoms were...

Babylonian
Medes-Persians
Greek
Roman (represented by legs of iron in Daniel 2)

In the days of the ten kings of Daniel 7, they come out the fourth kingdom manifested in the end times.

In Daniel 2, the ten kings are the ten toes of the feet of iron mixed with clay, indicating parts of fourth kingdom in the end times will be party strong and partly weak - a description of the EU.

The little horn person in Daniel 8:9 comes into the middle east and the pleasant land - Israel - with a strong army from the north and west - the location of the EU

 

[ewq1938]

The Romans occupied Israel at the time Jesus was crucified - cut off.

The four kingdoms of Daniel 7 and Daniel 2's first four kingdoms were...

Babylonian
Medes-Persians
Greek
Roman (represented by legs of iron in Daniel 2)

That's not possible because the first 3 kingdoms exist past the destruction of the 4th beast in Daniel 7, and
Babylonian Medes-Persians, Greek did not survive past the fall of Rome, and in Daniel 7 the 4th beast is destroyed at a coming and judgment day of God, which is not how Rome fell. Nothing in Daniel 7 matches your common interpretation.

 

[Douggg]

I will post more verses that will prove that Nimrod is the eighth king. There are many.

The 8 kings of Revelation 17:10-11 are... of the Julio Claudian family. Nero was the last historic king of that family. The next series of kings were the Falvians.

1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus Caesar
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero

7. the end times little horn person
8. the end times little horn person after he is killed and comes back to life - to become the beast-king

The end times little horn person goes through these 5 stages....

the little horn
the prince that shall come
the Antichrist
the revealed man of sin
the beast-king

 

[Douggg]

That's not possible because the first 3 kingdoms exist past the destruction of the 4th beast in Daniel 7, and
Babylonian Medes-Persians, Greek did not survive past the fall of Rome, and in Daniel 7 the 4th beast is destroyed at a coming and judgment day of God, which is not how Rome fell. Nothing in Daniel 7 matches your common interpretation.

The nations of the world that occupy the territories once part of the first three kingdoms will exist past the end of the EU as Jesus will rule them with a rod of iron for 1000 years.

That the first four kingdoms of the Daniel 2 statue of Nebuchadnezzar's dream were historic is verified by Daniel explaining to Nebuchadnezzar that he was the head of gold. Daniel 2:38

 

[ewq1938]

7. the end times little horn person
8. the end times little horn person after he is killed and comes back to life - to become the beast-king

There is no prophecy in the bible about such an end times person dying and resurrecting. The one and only resurrection for the unsaved is at the GWTJ.

 

[ewq1938]

The nations of the world that occupy the territories once part of the first three kingdoms will exist past the end of the EU as Jesus will rule them with a rod of iron for 1000 years.

The prophecy says the first 3 beasts themselves will survive, not remnants of the peoples continuing.


Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

 

[Douggg]

This Antichrist is a living person, but then suffers a deadly blow (maybe goes into a comma for 3 days), then it could be that this Apollyon, ( a powerful fallen angel) when released from the Abyss, possesses this individual. Then he shows miraculous powers.