Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[WitnessX]

How many times do I have to say it….of course the basic morals came forward. How could they not?
But we do not practice polygamy or concubage or sell our daughter into concubinage. Or kill women that were raped.
But there are only two commandments in the New Testaments.
1. God
2 Love one another

This is plainly false:

Matthew 19:18 (AMP)
He said to Jesus, “Which commandments?” And Jesus answered, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT GIVE FALSE TESTIMONY;

you have been shown multiple times in this thread where the commandments were reaffirmed in the New Testament/New Covenant.

what was done away with was the Levitical law, the sacrifices and laws associated with the temple. Because Jesus Christ fulfilled the sacrifice one and for all. The temple was destroyed, the Ark/Mercy seat and breastplate and other temple treasures were taken away. On purpose, because a new and better Covenant.

 

[WitnessX]

Well the greasy grace community says keeping God's commandments is working for your salvation, trying to earn it.

What do you tell the greasy grace community to se them straight?

hard to tell whom youre talking to on the internet. some people love to cause strife for strife’s sake. Some are wolves in sheep’s clothing trying to catch you into and cause error. yet others are intentional in their misleading. Once you made a good pointing to the Truth with Gods word, I usually step away. It’s on them now. Just as Paul did:

Acts 18:6 (AMP) But since the Jews kept resisting and opposing him, and blaspheming [God], he shook out his robe and said to them, “Your blood (damnation) be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

hard to tell whom youre talking to on the internet. some people love to cause strife for strife’s sake. Some are wolves in sheep’s clothing trying to catch you into and cause error. yet others are intentional in their misleading. Once you made a good pointing to the Truth with Gods word, I usually step away. It’s on them now. Just as Paul did:

The greasy grace community need to hear the truth over and over and over and maybe a few of them will catch on.

Sometimes there's folks within the false doctrine greasy grace that are new to Christianity and are just hanging out with the tares because they haven't learned enough yet to realize they are being taught by the ear ticklers

 

[Davy]

when you say law here do you mean the laws of Moses of are you referring to the ten commandments, the covenant? thank you for clarifying.

Now there's a favorite TRAP by those who continue to push sabbath keeping.

Didn't you read that Col.2 Scripture by Apostle Paul?

Do you follow MOSES, or do you follow Jesus Christ's appointed overseer of His Church Apostle Paul?

 

[Davy]

Thank you Nancy, it is my hope that some will learn one day that the Holy spirit promised by Jesus does indeed transform the believer, it then becomes easy to follow the commandments, and we do so it gladly, not with the objective of being saved but simply because we love God and want to do his will not ours.

Blessings!

Uh... what?? Are you actually... TRYING to say that you are PERFECT in keeping all the commandments?

Maybe we should be worshiping you instead, oh thou perfect one?

 

[Davy]

The ten commandments are an example to show how ineffective we are to achieve them. But they are a goal post to measure by. Nobody can measure up to them, but we can try. However, I can do all things through Christ and we are not sinless, but we can sin less.

Now that is a more 'realistic' response.

We cannot be perfect in this flesh, even as Apostle Paul revealed that the scripture has concluded all under sin, that the promise by Faith in Jesus Christ would be only to those who believe (Gal.3:22).

And I'm not making excuses to sin; it's just the way it is. Like Paul revealed in Romans 7, when he intends not to do the things he hates, he at times finds himself doing just that. Recognizing it, repenting, and at least 'trying' to do something about it is how we keep our walk with Lord Jesus Christ (1 John 1).

But the holier-than-thou hypocrite, those like to pump themselves up, thinking they are different and in a special group, when they are not, and are actually preparing for a great fall back to reality of what God's Word actually teaches as written.

 

[Davy]

The short answer is yes, they still apply. Think about what happens if you break them, the laws of cause and effect still apply.

Yet there is still a difference between keeping the law per the old covenant, and per the New Covenant. You'd never see advice like Col.2 by Apostle Paul given under old covenant times, Back then, it was keep the law or go to jail, or worse.

In 1 Timothy 1, Apostle Paul repeats many of the laws first given in the Old Testament Books, and he was warning Christians about breaking those things not entering in the future Kingdom of God. But we know per the New Covenant Jesus Christ, that IF... we fall away to those things, that if we repent and make a change, then we can get forgiveness and be saved. Now that's a LOT different than the old covenant result, so let's not try to compare the two as being the same when they are not.

 

[Davy]

just to add here that Jesus summarized the ten commandments, He did not say not to follow the ten commandments.

more below, see post 12

What do you think Apostle Paul was saying below, and Jesus did say about Apostle Paul that Paul was His "chosen vessel" in Acts 9?

Col 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

 

[LoveYeshua]

Now there's a favorite TRAP by those who continue to push sabbath keeping.

Didn't you read that Col.2 Scripture by Apostle Paul?

Do you follow MOSES, or do you follow Jesus Christ's appointed overseer of His Church Apostle Paul?

paul was speaking of sabbath(s) plural not the 4th commandment, there are more than 10 different sabbaths in the law of Moses, please read your bible before accusing others of setting traps.

God do ask His people, Jews or gentiles to follow the commandments. it is your choice to listen or not!

 

[LoveYeshua]

Uh... what?? Are you actually... TRYING to say that you are PERFECT in keeping all the commandments?

Maybe we should be worshiping you instead, oh thou perfect one?

Let Jesus take care of you and teach you he did promise he would send the Holy Spirit to teach you and guide you.
John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Have you forgotten what Jesus tols us? do you believe HIM? If you do, Listen to HIM!
Please remember these words of Jesus, they are Most important.

Come to Me, and I Will Give You Rest​

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Mat 11:26 Yes, Father, for this was well-pleasing in Your sight.

Mat 11:27 All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

Mat 11:28 Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Mat 11:29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me; for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Mat 11:30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

 

[LoveYeshua]

What do you think Apostle Paul was saying below, and Jesus did say about Apostle Paul that Paul was His "chosen vessel" in Acts 9?

Col 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

Read again carefully, It is Peter Not Paul what was chosen by GOD to go to the gentiles.

Act 15:7 After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

please note here DAY(S) not the 4th commandments! you do not know your scripture.

 

[quietthinker]

Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?​

This question is thrashed around infinitum because men want licence to break them.....which might I add is as obvious as a train smash!
God's Grace (kindness) is manipulated to suit men's carnal inclinations as if God approves.

 

[Aunty Jane]

To the best of my knowledge, taking an overview of this topic, we first have to ask when was the law (including the Sabbath) given…..and to whom?

Did the faithful ancient servants of the one true God observe a Sabbath before the law was given? Think of Noah and Job and Abraham, who are featured strongly in the OT as faithful servants of their God. Is there any mention of a Sabbath observance for them?

Before the sons of Jacob (Israel) became the nation of Israel, (who were freed after hundreds of years of slavery in Egypt) did any servant of God observe a Sabbath? I can find no evidence of such.

When God gave his law to his people, they had to agree to its terms, which at Mount Sinai, they did….so reading through, we see that God not only gave them the Sabbath commandment, as part of the original 10, but reinforced it by giving them a double amount of manna on the day before, so that they would have no reason or excuse to break it.

Exodus 16:25-30…
”Moses said, “Eat it today, for today is a sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the sabbath, there will be none.” It came about on the seventh day that some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. Then the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My instructions? See, the Lord has given you the sabbath; therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Remain every man in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day.” (NASB)

Exodus 31:12-14, 16-17
”The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. . . . .So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.’ It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.” (NASB)

The Israelites did not hold a Sabbath in Egypt before their release, and demonstrated by their conduct that this was something new for them.

Deut 5:15….
”You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out of there by a mighty hand and by an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to Observe the Sabbath Day.” (NASB)

So from my studies, it appears that the 10 Commandments were the backbone of all the laws that were added later….these were the most important things that the nation of Israel were to keep. But this law was incumbent on Israel alone….God did not give his law to gentiles. (People of the nations)

So when Jesus came, he was sent only to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”, not to the gentiles because of God’s promise to Abraham…Israel, as his “seed“, would have first option of gaining entry into the coming Kingdom of God, which the Jews saw as an entirely earthly arrangement.

Part of God’s promise to Abraham, included a blessing for “all the nations”, but to his descendants first. (Gen 22:17-18; Rom 2:10-11)

So, did Jesus and all of his first disciples observe the Sabbath? As they were all Jews or Jewish converts, they were obligated to observe the Law, which included the Sabbath. But once Christ died, having instituted the New Covenant on the night before his death, the old covenant ended, and this new covenant was not just for Jews, but through the apostle Peter, God opened the way for gentiles to become “Christians”, not needing to convert to Judaism first, thus not making them subject to the Law of Moses.

We read about the circumcision issue that arose because some Jewish Christians wanted their gentile brothers to observe the Law and become circumcised. This was creating a lot of division, so the question was taken to the Apostles and older men in Jerusalem for a decision to end the controversy. After much debate and prayerful consideration, there was a decision made and it was declared to all the congregation by letter so that there would be unity and peace achieved in the decision that was final.
Reading Acts 15:1-31, we see that the decision handed down made no mention of a Sabbath for gentiles…..the apostles mentioned only those things that gentiles might still have a problem with….

”For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials: that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from such things, you will do well. Farewell.” (Acts 15:28-29 NASB)

If the Sabbath was to be imposed on gentile believers, it too would have been included in the “essentials” that they mentioned….but Christ’s teachings contained all the rest. He lived and died, a Jew, under Law.

Were the Jewish Christians then prevented from observing the Sabbath? NO! As it was something that they had always done, and God’s law through Moses was applied only to Israel, there was no law against it, but it was no longer a law that applied to all Christians. If people wanted to hold a day of rest, that was up to them….but it was no longer a law for Christ’s disciples. Which is why Paul wrote….

“Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.” (Col 2:16-17 NASB)
The Sabbath was included among the things that were a “shadow of things to come”.
A much more important Sabbath was to be observed, as Jesus is called “Lord of the Sabbath” (Matt 12:8)….so we need to know what this greater Sabbath is….

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God's Grace (kindness) is manipulated to suit men's carnal inclinations as if God approves.

Well the greasy gracers to go around telling everyone that it's not possible to lose your salvation and all your future sins are already forgiven even before you commit them.

So why wouldn't people think Christians can live in sin and still be saved?

If what the greasy grace teachers is true then it doesn't matter if Christians live in sin cause it's all good right?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The Commandments are the very foundation of Christianity in fact !

Jesus himself said so in fact ! Not one Jot Jesus said that he came to abolish, but only so as to fulfill ! Understand that reality !

It is Grace that abounds this is the Gift given by Jesus in fact !

So it has changed from the OT that is for the People that are under the School Master ! and the NT is Christ Gift of the Law is now under Grace.

So Grace abounds over the Law ! that is the Key issue ! their was No Grace under the OT in fact ! That's a Huger difference !

So the NT is totaly Changed to the OT Law precription ? Add Grace ! for one should be under Grace now, that's such a huge diffrence in fact !

As Jesus gave us the Key that are over all !

So it's not OT Law it's NT ! Big difference ! but Carnal or only Religious people do not understand the difference in fact, because they are not truly Saved in fact !

The Law without Grace is what Religious and Carnal People can only see in fact , for they have not Grace in fact ! for if they understood and were worthy of Christ Jesus, then they would truly understand the reality that has taken place regarding the Law ?
Remember this is Where Grace abounds ? That's the Key issue ? The OT is Not Grace but the schoolmaster ? Huge difference !

But their was nothing wrong with the Law at all, what so ever in fact ! but it is the very foundations that are the foundations of God in fact !

Anyone who rejects one Commandment is of Satan in fact ! or trys to undermine such with cunning ! Because that was what the Jews were trying to do with Jesus in fact, because they did not understand, That Jesus was fulfilling ! Toping such off ! finishing it off ! and not changing one Jot of the Law in fact !
Sure they could not see it ! for they had not Grace ! The Jews were only Religious Carnal, They knew not God in fact ! They only knew some what of God !
Grace did not come about untill Jesus went to Heaven in fact !

Satanist will try every trick so as to play that the Law is just as of OT ? It's Not ! for where Grace abounds so does Jesus ( Salvation ) ! Big difference !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Well the greasy gracers to go around telling everyone that it's not possible to lose your salvation and all your future sins are already forgiven even before you commit them.

So why wouldn't people think Christians can live in sin and still be saved?

If what the greasy grace teachers is true then it doesn't matter if Christians live in sin cause it's all good right?

If one could loose your Salvation ? One was never truly Saved in the firest place fact !

Religious can make any claimes they want ?
Religion does not Save in fact !
Not one denomination of the Religious Saves in fact !
Only Christ Jesus Saves ones Soul in fact ! It's only through him one is given Grace in fact !
Out side of Christ Jesus is worthless !
One must abide in Salvation as Jesus in fact becomes your Lord ! Your Lord and Saviour in fact ! It's called Lordship Salvation ? because one is truly as one and abiding in that wellspring ! Because that is number one in your life in fact ! It's the Key ! The Foundations of !

 

[quietthinker]

Well the greasy gracers to go around telling everyone that it's not possible to lose your salvation and all your future sins are already forgiven even before you commit them.

So why wouldn't people think Christians can live in sin and still be saved?

If what the greasy grace teachers is true then it doesn't matter if Christians live in sin cause it's all good right?

Short sightedness and foolishness are bedfellows proudly on display!

 

[Gottservant]

NOTE: this post is about the ten commandments and Not about the rest of the law of Moses. Also God himself defined the covenant as the ten commandments, I have posted some of the verses about this fact HERE

[...]

The commandments are not heavy when written in love. They are eternal because they reflect the character of God Himself. They are still standing, still Holy, and still waiting for hearts that will receive them—not in stone, but in spirit and truth.

I think what is interesting, is that when Jesus refers to the ten commandments, to the rich young ruler, He changes the order of the commandments:

Jesus says Mark 10:19"You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[a]”

But the commandments are Deuteronomy 5:7-21"
7 “You shall have no other gods before me.

8 “You shall not make for yourself an image

11 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

12 “Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy,

16 “Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

17 “You shall not murder.

18 “You shall not commit adultery.

19 “You shall not steal.

20 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

21 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbor’s house or land, his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

I think every believer has an order of the ten commandments that they would prefer (which the Holy Spirit gives them)

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Short sightedness and foolishness are bedfellows proudly on display!

Well that's how you like to roll

 

[Traveler]

There is a difference between the whole list of laws god gave to Israel and the ten commandments. the ten commandments are a general summary for all nations the other laws were Jew specific. They are what made his own nation different from the rest. The gentile nations are only grafted in to the holy nation if submission to the authority to Christ is given.