What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[Hiddenthings]

Yep, so much for the theory that "no more sea" means no nations.

The problem is Rev has symbolic language, but also literal language and turning literal language into symbolic is a big issue.

I think Marilyn is intelligent enough to know the sea relates to the nations, peoples etc spoken of in Rev 21. It's so obvious it cannot be missed!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Allow me to push you even further!

"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine in it" verse 23

This is not saying the Sun and Moon will literally be gone also LOL

What do these symbols represent? @VictoryinJesus

 

[Taken]

What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?​

The Nations?
To Reveal Gods Way of a Kingdom, a Head Authority King.

Israel?
Intent of An Example, of an Earthly Kingdom, Earthly King, in servitude and willing subjection to Gods Higher Power.

Body of Christ?
Allow Earthly men To SEE, what they could Not Believe, by Oral Teaching / and Manifestation of Prophecy.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Hiddenthings]

What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?​

The Nations?
To Reveal Gods Way of a Kingdom, a Head Authority King.

Israel?
Intent of An Example, of an Earthly Kingdom, Earthly King, in servitude and willing subjection to Gods Higher Power.

Body of Christ?
Allow Earthly men To SEE, what they could Not Believe, by Oral Teaching / and Manifestation of Prophecy.

Glory to God,
Taken

Eventually the earth and its population will become all Israel of God.

 

[Taken]

Eventually the earth and its population will become all Israel of God.

I do believe a day will come in which Gods Heavenly Kingdom shall encompass Heaven and Earth… Shall that One “all encompassing Kingdom of God”, be called ISRAEL and the “MADE Whole” citizens thereof Gods all encompassing Kingdom, be Called “ISRAELITES”?
I don’t find such Teaching…
Rather, what I find IS: “such citizens/ inhabitants… Shall be Called by God “my people”.

Rom 9:
[25] As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

(Osee…aka Hosia) reference.

Hos. 2:
[23] And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Presently “Israel” Is “Gods People”.
Future “Gods People” are not limited to only “Israel”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Davy]

A lot of words there Davy

You would do well to think about the baloney you have been saying then against that Rev.21 passage about no more sea, and stop trying to turn literal events in God's Word into some allegory meaning, like Origen of Alexandria did, which got him ex-communicated from the Church.

Is that enough words for you? Or do you prefer to hear things like, 'you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about?'

 

[Davy]

What does the Sea represent Davy?

Depends on what Bible Scripture you are referring to. In Rev.17:15 Jesus revealed that the "waters" the great whore sits upon represents peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. Thus that... example is EASY to know He was giving those "waters" as a metaphor.

But the "waters" in Genesis 1, and the "sea" of Rev.21 are NOT given as metaphors. Your error in thinking they are is from you listening to the children of darkness chop up God's written Word to make it unrecognizable.

 

[Davy]

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro(like a sea), and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
no more sea is a good thing, Imo. when there becomes a point that we be No more children, tossed to and fro. No longer carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness then there is “no more sea” ? A sea of glass is still? Calm.

That's just as bad an interpretation of "no more sea" than what Hiddenthings has been saying.

The Ephesians 4 passage you TRY to quote from isn't even using... the idea of the sea:

Eph 4:14
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
KJV

Paul was pointing to the WIND, symbolically there, NOT the sea. Thus you ADDED to God's Word to try and make it say what you WANT it to say, which is to chop up God's written Word like a mad butcher.

 

[Davy]

The problem is Rev has symbolic language, but also literal language and turning literal language into symbolic is a big issue.

Which is what Origen of the Christian school at Alexandria, Egypt got in trouble for, turning literal Bible events into allegories.

The early Church fathers pointed to the source of that confusion with the 2nd century Gnostics, which were pagan mystics that crept in among the early Church, and distorted many Christian doctrines.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You would do well to think about the baloney you have been saying then against that Rev.21 passage about no more sea, and stop trying to turn literal events in God's Word into some allegory meaning, like Origen of Alexandria did, which got him ex-communicated from the Church.

Is that enough words for you? Or do you prefer to hear things like, 'you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about?'

I find it quite amusing that you believe the literal oceans of the world have any connection to the New Jerusalem.

 

[Hiddenthings]

That's just as bad an interpretation of "no more sea" than what Hiddenthings has been saying.

The Ephesians 4 passage you TRY to quote from isn't even using... the idea of the sea:

Eph 4:14
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
KJV

Paul was pointing to the WIND, symbolically there, NOT the sea. Thus you ADDED to God's Word to try and make it say what you WANT it to say, which is to chop up God's written Word like a mad butcher.

This is more of the same!

Do you think the sun and moon are going in the Kingdom age as well?

 

[Davy]

I find it quite amusing that you believe the literal oceans of the world have any connection to the New Jerusalem.

Some folks just don't get it. You are definitely one of them.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Depends on what Bible Scripture you are referring to. In Rev.17:15 Jesus revealed that the "waters" the great whore sits upon represents peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. Thus that... example is EASY to know He was giving those "waters" as a metaphor.

Well done Davy!

But the "waters" in Genesis 1, and the "sea" of Rev.21 are NOT given as metaphors. Your error in thinking they are is from you listening to the children of darkness chop up God's written Word to make it unrecognizable.

In biblical symbolism, the "sea of nations" is portrayed in several stages:

first, as turbulent and stormy, stirring up mire and dirt (Isaiah 57:20); second, as being at peace after purification through the fiery judgments of Armageddon (Revelation 15:2); third, as calm and refined, with all impurities removed depicted as "clear as crystal" (Revelation 4:6);
and finally, as no longer present, representing the end of independent national identities, with only an immortal Israel remaining.

If you’re unable to identify the symbol, that’s fine, just say so. But don’t criticize those who can.

 

[Davy]

This is more of the same!

Do you think the sun and moon are going in the Kingdom age as well?

Did you know that the guy who created Gumby also designed the rubber Gumby was made of? Now if you believe that, then even YOUR sky must be some weird color, like green. Anything can be made into an analogy, but that doesn't make it true.

It is obvious what you are here for on this forum. You are here to confuse God's Word, to plant heresies against God's Word.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Some folks just don't get it. You are definitely one of them.

Answer the question Davy.

What does the oceans have to do with New Jerusalem?

This will be good!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

"And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine in it" verse 23

This is not saying the Sun and Moon will literally be gone also LOL

imo it can’t be literal in respect of those which are of the night, of darkness and do sleep in the night. I’m persuaded it’s not literal because He speaks of a very different “day” and “night” then the one we see every day when the the sun comes up and goes down, and it is night. “And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon to shine in it” it says for God is their light.as there is also “no more sea” Just as the verses say Ephesians 5:8-11 For you were sometimes darkness, but now are you light in the Lord: walk as children of light: [9] (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;) [10] Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. [11] And have no fellowship with the unfruitful(empty, vain, unprofitable to give Life, or Light) works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

John 11:9-10 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbles not, because he sees the light of this world. [10] But if a man walk in the night, he stumbles, because there is no light in him.
Do I take that to mean I can go outside tonight when it is dark (literally) and God will give me supernatural night-vision to not stumble nor fall in the night?

Hosea 14:9 Whoever is wise, let him understand these things; whoever is discerning, let him know them; for the ways of the LORD are right, and the upright walk in them, but transgressors stumble in them.

1 Thessalonians 5:4-7 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. [7] For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

If our only focus is on the night and day every man and woman literally sees and experiences with their natural eyes…what is He speaking of concerning this stumbling in the night, not knowing what you stumble over, for what is missing to Light the way? Where Christ says
Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he says, Awake you that sleep, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give you light.

Same as significant to me is they that be drunk are drunk in the night. What is drunk? Why do some go away from the table of the Lord drunk, not discerning the Lord’s body, they drink damnation down unto themselves going away drunken? Habakkuk 2:15-16 Woe unto him that gives his neighbour drink, that puts your bottle to him, and makes him drunken also, that you may look on their nakedness! [16] you are filled with (all unrighteousness) shame for glory: drink you also, and let your foreskin be uncovered: the cup of the LORD'S right hand shall be turned unto you, and shameful spewing shall be on thy glory. <making your neighbor drunk so you can look on his “nakedness” is not desiring to see his naked body (genital parts) but wanting your neighbor destroyed so you can glory in his stumbling around drunk when you ought to love your neighbor and edify your neighbor, so he be strengthened. It’s instead glorying in your neighbors stumbling in the night, made drunk and blind not able to see where he goes. The severity of God? If we do this to our neighbor then …we drink also of what we put to our neighbors mouth. we stumble too, made drunk in the night. Talking like we know something about a thief who comes to kill, steal and destroy. unable to see making our neighbor drunk to glory in his shame ‘nakedness’ makes us the thief which comes to steal, kill and destroy. The thief we warn against. Pride and gloating in others drunkenness and nakedness, mocking those who are weak and without knowledge makes us what we warn others against. The thief comes to only steal, kill, and destroy. But you are of the day, that the night should not overtake you as a thief caught in the night.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Did you know that the guy who created Gumby also designed the rubber Gumby was made of? Now if you believe that, then even YOUR sky must be some weird color, like green.

Consider the idiocy - the ocean is literally gone...the Sun & moon - anything else?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Did you know that the guy who created Gumby also designed the rubber Gumby was made of? Now if you believe that, then even YOUR sky must be some weird color, like green. Anything can be made into an analogy, but that doesn't make it true.

It is obvious what you are here for on this forum. You are here to confuse God's Word, to plant heresies against God's Word.

Sorry Davy - you can't be taken seriously because you are unable to discern the symbols and only take a literal reading of the Revelation. Next you will tell me there is a woman clothed with the sun.

Move Davy you have nothing of substance to add here!

 

[Davy]

Answer the question Davy.

What does the oceans have to do with New Jerusalem?

This will be good!

YOU... answer the questions many here have asked you, and you keep evading.

Your questions don't make sense, just like your faulty interpretations of The Bible. To you this is all just a game.

 

[Davy]

Sorry Davy - you can't be taken seriously because you are unable to discern the symbols and only take a literal reading of the Revelation. Next you will tell me there is a woman clothed with the sun.

Move Davy you have nothing of substance to add here!

And that's MORE LIES you have to make up in a vain attempt to justify the devil's work you are doing here.