Anyone accusing you of “Replacement Theology” is defending the spirit of Antichrist.

[Scott Downey]

“Everlasting = Everlasting.”

No. Everlasting covenants in scripture are always conditional upon obedience — unless you think God’s promise to Eli’s priestly line was a lie?

“Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares:
I promised that your house… would minister before me forever.
But now the LORD declares:
Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor,
but those who despise me will be disdained.”
— 1 Samuel 2:30

“Everlasting” doesn’t mean unbreakable.
Israel broke the covenant — over and over — and God removed them from the land every time.

So yes: “Everlasting” covenants can be revoked — not because God fails, but because man breaks them.

And as for Romans 11:29 — the “calling of God” was irrevocable. That’s why Christ came — to fulfill the covenant through Himself, not through unbelieving flesh.

“Jews suffered for 1900 years — just like Deuteronomy 28 said.”

Yes. And Deuteronomy 28 also says this:
“And the LORD will scatter you among all peoples…
And among these nations you shall find no respite…
and you shall serve other gods of wood and stone…”
— Deut 28:64-65

And what does Deut 29:25–27 say about why this curse happened?

“Because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord…
and went and served other gods…
Therefore the Lord’s anger burned against this land,
so that he brought upon it all the curses written in this book.”

So yes, history matches prophecy.
But you're ignoring the New Covenant that those same Jews rejected.

“He came to His own,
but His own did not receive Him.”
— John 1:11

And now you're telling me that after rejecting the Messiah,
they still get the land?

Where in scripture is a second covenant made with unrepentant rebels who reject and mock God's Son?

“They preserved their identity and returned in 1948 — a miracle!”

No, that wasn’t a miracle.
That was British imperialism, UN politics, and the Rothschild-funded Zionist movement, openly acknowledged by even Jewish historians.

The “miracle” is that so many Christians bought it.

Jesus didn’t die on a cross to restore a theocracy without Him.

He came to fulfill the covenant.
And He told the Pharisees their house was left desolate.

“The kingdom of God will be taken away from you
and given to a nation producing its fruits.”
— Matthew 21:43

The Apostles knew exactly what that meant.
They never again pointed to the land.
They pointed to Christ.

“Give me the Justin Martyr quote.”

Gladly:
“As, therefore, Christ is the Israel and the Jacob, even so we,
who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ,
are the true Israelite race.”
— Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 135

And here's Irenaeus:
“They who are disobedient… are deprived of the inheritance,
but the righteous shall remember their blessed inheritance.”
— Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 4, ch. 9.1

They weren’t waiting for a land without Jesus.
They were preaching the Kingdom of Christ,
not the rebirth of an ethnic nation of dirt.

“The Bible is about Jews.”

No.
The Bible is about Christ.
And Christ redefined Israel by His own blood.

“If you are Christ’s,
then you are Abraham’s offspring,
heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

If you reject Christ,
you forfeit the inheritance.
That includes the land.

So no — the Bible is not about modern-day Jews.
It’s about Jesus.
And Jesus is the only way back into the promises of God.

“We are the generation to witness this miracle.”
Then you’re the generation to witness the deception.

The real miracle is that so many Christians, ignorantly and stupidly now defend
a secular, Christ-rejecting state —
built on UN papers and banking deals —
and dare to call it "holy".

That’s not a miracle.
That’s strong delusion.
And God warned us about it.

You want to believe God’s covenant is with those who reject His Son?

Then you’ve denied the Gospel.
Because the covenant is now in Christ —
and there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved.

“The Body of Christ is Israel.
There is no other.”

If that offends you —
you’re not defending Israel.
You’re denying the King of it.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

Exactly so, the OC and the promises are all fulfilled in Christ
Matthew 5:17

Christ Fulfills the Law​

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

They broke His holy covenant, the promises were based on obedience and they failed almost continually. Therefore, God disregarded them and sought for another better covenant with better promises. None of them received the promise as they could not be made perfect apart from us until the New Covenant established in Christ's blood.

People fail to be obedient, a fail in one tiny part of the LAW means you have failed the whole Law.


Hebrews 8

1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

A New Covenant​

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul constantly had deal with Judaizers coming into the churches. telling the Christians they had to keep the Law of Moses

Galatians 3

O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you [a]that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed [b]among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have you suffered so [c]many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham. The Law Brings a Curse​ 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is [d]justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. New International Version For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. New Living Translation For the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws. English Standard Version For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. Berean Standard Bible Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. Berean Literal Bible For whoever shall keep the whole Law, but shall stumble in one point, he has become guilty of all. King James Bible For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. New King James Version For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. New American Standard Bible For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all. NASB 1995 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. NASB 1977 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. Legacy Standard Bible For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. Amplified Bible For whoever keeps the whole Law but stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of [breaking] all of it. Christian Standard Bible For whoever keeps the entire law, and yet stumbles at one point, is guilty of breaking it all.

 

[ProDeo]

“Everlasting = Everlasting.”

No. Everlasting covenants in scripture are always conditional upon obedience — unless you think God’s promise to Eli’s priestly line was a lie?

“Therefore the LORD, the God of Israel, declares:
I promised that your house… would minister before me forever.
But now the LORD declares:
Far be it from me! Those who honor me I will honor,
but those who despise me will be disdained.”
— 1 Samuel 2:30

“Everlasting” doesn’t mean unbreakable.
Israel broke the covenant — over and over — and God removed them from the land every time.

So yes: “Everlasting” covenants can be revoked — not because God fails, but because man breaks them.

And as for Romans 11:29 — the “calling of God” was irrevocable. That’s why Christ came — to fulfill the covenant through Himself, not through unbelieving flesh.

“Jews suffered for 1900 years — just like Deuteronomy 28 said.”

Yes. And Deuteronomy 28 also says this:
“And the LORD will scatter you among all peoples…
And among these nations you shall find no respite…
and you shall serve other gods of wood and stone…”
— Deut 28:64-65

And what does Deut 29:25–27 say about why this curse happened?

“Because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord…
and went and served other gods…
Therefore the Lord’s anger burned against this land,
so that he brought upon it all the curses written in this book.”

So yes, history matches prophecy.
But you're ignoring the New Covenant that those same Jews rejected.

“He came to His own,
but His own did not receive Him.”
— John 1:11

And now you're telling me that after rejecting the Messiah,
they still get the land?

Where in scripture is a second covenant made with unrepentant rebels who reject and mock God's Son?

“They preserved their identity and returned in 1948 — a miracle!”

No, that wasn’t a miracle.
That was British imperialism, UN politics, and the Rothschild-funded Zionist movement, openly acknowledged by even Jewish historians.

The “miracle” is that so many Christians bought it.

Jesus didn’t die on a cross to restore a theocracy without Him.

He came to fulfill the covenant.
And He told the Pharisees their house was left desolate.

“The kingdom of God will be taken away from you
and given to a nation producing its fruits.”
— Matthew 21:43

The Apostles knew exactly what that meant.
They never again pointed to the land.
They pointed to Christ.

“Give me the Justin Martyr quote.”

Gladly:
“As, therefore, Christ is the Israel and the Jacob, even so we,
who have been quarried out from the bowels of Christ,
are the true Israelite race.”
— Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 135

And here's Irenaeus:
“They who are disobedient… are deprived of the inheritance,
but the righteous shall remember their blessed inheritance.”
— Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book 4, ch. 9.1

They weren’t waiting for a land without Jesus.
They were preaching the Kingdom of Christ,
not the rebirth of an ethnic nation of dirt.

“The Bible is about Jews.”

No.
The Bible is about Christ.
And Christ redefined Israel by His own blood.

“If you are Christ’s,
then you are Abraham’s offspring,
heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

If you reject Christ,
you forfeit the inheritance.
That includes the land.

So no — the Bible is not about modern-day Jews.
It’s about Jesus.
And Jesus is the only way back into the promises of God.

“We are the generation to witness this miracle.”
Then you’re the generation to witness the deception.

The real miracle is that so many Christians, ignorantly and stupidly now defend
a secular, Christ-rejecting state —
built on UN papers and banking deals —
and dare to call it "holy".

That’s not a miracle.
That’s strong delusion.
And God warned us about it.

You want to believe God’s covenant is with those who reject His Son?

Then you’ve denied the Gospel.
Because the covenant is now in Christ —
and there is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved.

“The Body of Christ is Israel.
There is no other.”

If that offends you —
you’re not defending Israel.
You’re denying the King of it.

You are missing the big picture, what do we know from Scripture when it's about unrepentant Israel of 1948.

[1] - The veil
2Kor 3:14 But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away.
2Kor 3:15 Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts.
2Kor 3:16 But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed.

The veil is still in place but one day it will be taken away by God's love, mercy and goodness in the Israel of 1948.

Rom 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all. With reference to Zachariah 12, a future event. Will happen in the Israel of 1948. The veil is taken away by God's mercy and Israel will repent, back into the olive tree (Romans 11).

[2] - Jesus
. The Lord will return where? in the Israel of 1948 , specifically on Mount Olives where He ascended, in the Israel of 1948.
. The Lord will reign a 1000 years. Where? In the Israel of 1948. His throne : Jerusalem.

[3] The new Earth
Rev 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.

Born again Christians are called the Church and the Body of Christ, not the true Israel.

Unrepentant Israel is God's business.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You are missing the big picture,

Oh man...
No — I’m showing you the real picture.
You’re out here defending an earthly nation that rejected Christ, clinging to prophetic scraps that were already fulfilled in Him, and acting like the very people who crucified the Messiah are still somehow the center of God's covenant.
Even though — and I know this might shock you —
they’re not even the people who crucified Him.

They’re Eastern European Khazarian converts who didn’t adopt Judaism until 740 AD under King Bulan.
So in every way imaginable, they match those
who say they are ethnic Biblical Jews and are not, but lie” — Revelation 2:9.
I know it’s hard to accept.
But it’s them.
They’re them.
Okay?

Come out from under the veil.

They’re Polish, Russian, German, Transylvanian, Khazarian.
Their ancestors were still bowing to pagan gods in 739 AD.

Their ancestors couldn’t find Biblical Israel with a map of Israel — even if they were standing in the middle of Israel.
Tell them to leave the Caucasus in 730 AD and walk toward Jerusalem,
they’d probably head north, get lost, and end up in Siberia.

Now where were we...

THE VEIL
Yes — 2 Corinthians 3:14–16 says there's a veil over their hearts.
But you know what removes it?

“Only through Christ is it taken away.”

And until they turn to Christ,
the veil remains.

It’s all so warped, I can barely keep up with it.

So yes — until "they" turn to Christ, the veil remains.
But let’s be clear:

That verse is about the real, ethnic, Biblical Jews —
the physical descendants of Abraham who lived under the Law.

Not a bunch of 8th-century Khazar converts
with no bloodline connection,
no priesthood,
no temple,
no covenant,
and no Messiah.




You can’t “return” to a covenant you were never part of.
You can’t be “blinded” by a veil you never had.
You’re not “coming back to God” when you were never in His household to begin with.

This isn’t restoration.
It’s religious cosplay.

So let’s be blunt:
The False “Israel of 1948” has not "turned to Christ".
In fact:

They blaspheme the name of Jesus Christ — openly and proudly.
They ban evangelism by law and persecute those who share the Gospel.
They arrest Christians for baptizing converts.
They spit on, kick, and assault Christian tourists in broad daylight — and there are now hundreds of videos online showing it.
They’ve created Sesame Street-style children’s programming that mocks and blasphemes Jesus Christ — teaching kids from age five that He was not the Messiah, He's a deceiver in Hell now and He deserved death.
They don’t just reject the Gospel — they train and indoctrinate their children to hate it.
It's Satanic and totally bizarre, like something out of a sci-fi-horror movie..

This is not "neutrality".
This is not "spiritual blindness".
This is systematic, satanic, Antichrist indoctrination — directly against Jesus Christ.

If any other nation on Earth did this to the name of Jesus, we’d call it satanic.
But because a flag says “Israel,” you fall on your face in worship? Wake up.

They are the Synagogue of Satan.
Wake up from your flannelgraph theology & "big pictures" and get with the program.

These aren’t “ethnic Biblical Jews.”
They’re 8th-century Gentile Khazar converts, claiming to be what they’re not —
just like Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 warned us.

And if you think they’re worshipping the same God we are —
while denying the Son and preparing to crown the Antichrist as their messiah —
then I’ve got a snow-skiing resort in Key West to sell you.

That’s not prophecy you’re tangled up in —
that’s strong delusion.
And God warned us about it.

“For this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie.”
— 2 Thessalonians 2:11

That’s not “covenant Israel.” That’s rebellion dressed in nationalism.


Romans 11:32 says God has mercy on all — yes — but you’re cherry-picking.
The entire chapter is about individual branches grafted in by faith — not about unbelieving ethnic nations being given the land again.

The olive tree is Christ.
Only faith connects you. Not DNA (that they don't have anyway) and not dirt and not 1948.

ZECHARIAH 12
Yes, Zechariah 12 speaks of mourning “for the one they pierced.”
But when does that happen?

“When they look upon Me whom they have pierced…” — that’s Christ’s return.
That’s not a slow political process.
That’s not a UN vote.
That’s not 1948.

It’s the Second Coming, and when it happens, every eye will see Him — and every knee will bow.
Only then will those who remain repent.

JESUS RETURNS TO THE MOUNT OF OLIVES

Yes, He returns to the Mount of Olives.
But newsflash: That doesn’t validate the modern state of Israel.
You’re confusing location with authorization.

Jesus returns to judge, not to endorse the Knesset.
The entire world will be judged — including Jerusalem.
“And they will set up an abomination that causes desolation.”
“And the holy city will be trampled for 42 months.”
— Revelation 11:2, Matthew 24:15

So if you’re bragging that He returns to Jerusalem — you better remember:
He’s not coming back to hand out flags.
He’s coming to clean house in judgement.

THE 1,000-YEAR REIGN
Where’s His throne?

Jerusalem — yes.
But not the one flying a star that never appeared in Scripture.

It’s New Jerusalem, descending from heaven — not Tel Aviv, not the Knesset, not the IDF.

“My kingdom is not of this world.”
— John 18:36

“The present Jerusalem is in slavery with her children… but the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.”
— Galatians 4:25–26

Yes, Revelation 21 says the holy city will come down.
But you just proved my point.

That’s New Jerusalem — not rebuilt Israel 2.0.
That’s the Bride — the Church — adorned for Christ.

And you’re still claiming God’s going to honor a Christ-rejecting political state that doesn’t even claim to be His Bride?

Come on.

“The Church is not the true Israel.”

Absolutely False.

The Body of Christ is Israel.
Anyone who doesn’t know that is still under the veil —
And absolutely not following the Gospel.

“They are not all Israel, which are of Israel... That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
— Romans 9:6–8

“If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

“There is neither Jew nor Greek… for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
— Galatians 3:28

Justin Martyr (155 AD):
“For the true spiritual Israel… are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.”
— Dialogue with Trypho, Ch. 11

Irenaeus (180 AD):
“They who believe in Him and follow His word… are the true Israel.” — Against Heresies, Book 4

Tertullian (c. 200 AD):
“The Jews had formerly been near to God, but having departed from Him, they are now very far off... We who were far off have begun to be made nigh.” — Against Marcion, Book 3, Ch. 23

Cyprian of Carthage (250 AD):
“We Christians are the true people of God, though the Jews once were... the Jews, according to the flesh, were cast off.”
— Treatises of Cyprian, Treatise 12, Book 1

Origen (248 AD):
“We say that they [the Jews] were rejected... when the Church of the living God was built, the shadow of the letter passed away, and the light of the Spirit rose.” — Against Celsus, Book 3, Ch. 28

Eusebius of Caesarea (325 AD):
“The promises of the covenants made to Israel are now fulfilled in us [the Church]... The Hebrews have fallen from the grace of God.”
— Proof of the Gospel, Book 1, Ch. 4

^ Bullet proof and undeniable.

They didn’t worship dirt.
They didn’t bow to flags.
And they didn’t call the open enemies of Christ “God’s chosen people.”

The apostles knew it.
The Church Fathers preached it.
The Scriptures declare it.
The Body of Christ is Israel — and there is no other.


Unrepentant Israel is “God’s business”?
Sure — and His "business" is judgment on those who reject His Son.

You want to talk covenant?
The old one is gone.
The new one is in Christ — or not at all.

There is no covenant with a people who deny the Messiah.

There is no inheritance for those who crucify the King and still mock His name.

The Body of Christ is Israel. There is no other.

If that offends you —
you’re not defending Israel.
You’re denying the King of it and your soul is in eternal jeopardy.

Repent.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

If you’ve made it this far down, then you can no longer claim ignorance.
Any Christian who even acknowledges that manufactured, Rothschild/UN abomination in the Middle East as “Israel” is not just misled…

They are openly denying that Jesus Christ is the Messiah,
the fulfiller of the covenant,
and the only heir of the promise.

To call that secular, Christ-rejecting nation “Israel”
is to rip the inheritance from the hands of Christ
and hand it back to the same spirit that crucified Him.

You are saying that Jesus failed —
that the veil was not torn,
that the covenant was not fulfilled,
and that the Kingdom belongs to a people who despise His name.

This level of global deception could have only come from the Dragon himself.
It is not "prophecy fulfilled" —
it is the strong delusion God warned about,
sent upon those who rejected the truth and chose instead to believe a lie.

And now, millions of Christians worship at the altar of the Synagogue of Satan —
a counterfeit “Israel” that bans the Gospel,
blasphemes Christ,
indoctrinates its children to hate His name,
and prepares to enthrone the Antichrist as their messiah.

This is sorcery.
This is apostasy.
This is betrayal.

You are not defending Israel.
You are denying the King of it.
And your soul is in eternal jeopardy.

“Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.”
— 1 John 2:23

“For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.”
— 2 Thessalonians 2:11

“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie…”
— Revelation 3:9

The Body of Christ is Israel.
There is no other.

Repent.
While you still can.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Crickets...

 

[Scott Downey]

Crickets...

For political reasons, Israel where it sits in the middle east is an ally for the US, even though spiritually they are not of God or saved.
Culturally we have more in common with them compared to the Muslims in surrounding Arab nations.
But we should not assume much beyond that. I think I would prefer if stuck in that area of the world to be in that country compared with any of the others.

Still, we know God has established their borders same as any other nation.
God so ordered the nations and their circumstances so that they might seek Him, even though they mostly do not.
This is also a judgment against them on that Day.


Acts 17

Addressing the Areopagus​

22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the [i]Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things.

26 And He has made from one [j]blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’

29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

 

[ProDeo]

Oh man...
No — I’m showing you the real picture.
You’re out here defending an earthly nation that rejected Christ,

I am NOT defending and have NOT defended unrepentant Israel in my posts, please don't put words in my mouth. What I have posted is Scripture what will happen to unrepentant Israel in the (near) future. And looking at your comment on the Scripture I posted I don't see disagreement. We seem to disagree only about the conclusion if the body of Christ is the true Israel or not.

And to proof your view -- the body of Christ is the true Israel -- there is no evidence in Scripture. Romans 9:6–8 and Galatians 3:28-29 does not say born again Christians are the true Israel.

To make your case anyway, you use the early church fathers, they had a lot of interesting things to say, but it ain't Scripture.

. They needed 300 years to conclude Jesus was God in the flesh.
. They needed 300+ years to conclude the book of Revelation belongs to the Canon.

It's hard to blame them, unlike us they had not electronic Scripture, they only had vulnerable papyrus manuscripts and it has to be assumed they has access to all manuscripts for a reliable exegesis. They did not have email and a forum to communicate, exchange and debate. They either had to write letters or travel hundreds to thousand kilometers to communicate.

. Universalism was quite popular.
. Preexistence was quite popular, the teaching A&E stands for the whole human race and every born here rebelled against God and ate from the wrong tree and as a result were kicked out of Paradise here on this Earth for a time being to learn what they so desired, to know the difference between good and evil.

It took centuries for the -- then already Roman Catholic Church -- to condemn Universalism and Preexistence as heresy during the 6th century, the Synod of Constantinople (543) and Fifth Ecumenical Council (553).

Maybe the Roman Catholic Church did us a favor?

Point being, it's hard to trust the teachings of the early church fathers.

You know, you can be right, you can be wrong trusting the ECF's.

 

[Scott Downey]

Bible Gateway passage: Ephesians 2 - New King James Version

By Grace Through Faith - And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted...

www.biblegateway.com

​

Brought Near by His Blood​

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—

12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Christ Our Peace​

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Christ Our Cornerstone​

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
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v12, The commonwealth of Israel is made of believing jews and believing gentiles.

Definition of COMMONWEALTH

a nation, state, or other political unit: such as; one founded on law and united by compact or tacit agreement of the people for the common good; one in which supreme authority is vested in the people… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Commonwealth is a nation, state, or other political unit.

Peter tells us of the commonwealth of Israel as Paul has called it and it is made up of all believers in Christ, including gentiles who were brought into the commonwealth by Christ.

1 Peter 2
Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow [a]thereby, 3 if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

The Chosen Stone and His Chosen People​

4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who [b]are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
8 and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I am NOT defending and have NOT defended unrepentant Israel in my posts, please don't put words in my mouth. What I have posted is Scripture what will happen to unrepentant Israel in the (near) future. And looking at your comment on the Scripture I posted I don't see disagreement. We seem to disagree only about the conclusion if the body of Christ is the true Israel or not.

And to proof your view -- the body of Christ is the true Israel -- there is no evidence in Scripture. Romans 9:6–8 and Galatians 3:28-29 does not say born again Christians are the true Israel.

To make your case anyway, you use the early church fathers, they had a lot of interesting things to say, but it ain't Scripture.

. They needed 300 years to conclude Jesus was God in the flesh.
. They needed 300+ years to conclude the book of Revelation belongs to the Canon.

It's hard to blame them, unlike us they had not electronic Scripture, they only had vulnerable papyrus manuscripts and it has to be assumed they has access to all manuscripts for a reliable exegesis. They did not have email and a forum to communicate, exchange and debate. They either had to write letters or travel hundreds to thousand kilometers to communicate.

. Universalism was quite popular.
. Preexistence was quite popular, the teaching A&E stands for the whole human race and every born here rebelled against God and ate from the wrong tree and as a result were kicked out of Paradise here on this Earth for a time being to learn what they so desired, to know the difference between good and evil.

It took centuries for the -- then already Roman Catholic Church -- to condemn Universalism and Preexistence as heresy during the 6th century, the Synod of Constantinople (543) and Fifth Ecumenical Council (553).

Maybe the Roman Catholic Church did us a favor?

Point being, it's hard to trust the teachings of the early church fathers.

You know, you can be right, you can be wrong trusting the ECF's.

You said I’m putting words in your mouth.
Fair enough, then let’s clarify.

If you’re not defending unbelieving Israel, then stop talking about their future restoration as if it applies to Christ-rejectors.

Because there is no prophecy in the New Testament that promises the Kingdom to any group outside of Christ.

Not one.

You said Romans 9:6–8 and Galatians 3:29 don’t prove that the Body of Christ is the true Israel.

Let’s look again:
“They are not all Israel who are of Israel…
That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God,
but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.”
— Romans 9:6–8

So Paul redefines Israel by faith, not flesh.
Then he writes:

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

That’s not symbolic.
That’s not optional.
That’s a redefinition of covenant identity, in Christ alone.


You said: “There’s no verse that says ‘Christians are the true Israel.’”

No verse says “Trinity” either.
But Scripture declares it from every direction.

The New Testament shows that:

The Church is called the commonwealth of Israel (Ephesians 2:12–19)
Gentiles are grafted into the olive tree of Israel (Romans 11:17)
Believers are called the circumcision (Philippians 3:3)
We are citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22–24)
We are a royal priesthood, a holy nation (1 Peter 2:9–10 — words spoken of Israel, now applied to the Church)

And Paul explicitly calls the Church:
“The Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:16

If that’s not enough, ask yourself:
Where in the New Testament is unbelieving Israel ever called “God’s people” again?

Answer: Nowhere.

You tried to discredit the early Church Fathers.
But you’ve got it backwards.

They didn’t “wait 300 years” to declare Jesus as God — they taught it from the beginning.

Here’s Ignatius of Antioch, 107 A.D., a disciple of the Apostle John:

“Jesus Christ our God was conceived by Mary…
born of the seed of David and also of the Holy Ghost.”
— Letter to the Ephesians, ch. 18

They also unanimously taught:

That there is one people of God, not two
That Jesus fulfilled the covenant
And that those who reject Christ are cut off from the promises (Romans 11:20–22)

You can smear “Rome” all you want, I agree that it eventually corrupted the faith.
But the men who died for Christ in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries weren’t Roman idolaters.
They were closer to the apostles than Scofield ever was.

Let’s bottom line it:

You don’t trust the early Church.
You don’t trust Paul’s redefinition of Israel.
You don’t trust the plain language of the Gospel.
But you trust that a group of Christ-rejectors from 740 A.D. Eastern Europe are somehow still “God’s chosen people.”

That’s not scriptural.
That’s not apostolic.
That’s Scofield heresy.

Lets state it all again..

“They are not all Israel, which are of Israel... That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
— Romans 9:6–8

“If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

“There is neither Jew nor Greek… for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
— Galatians 3:28

This isn’t up for debate.
This is the Gospel.

The apostles taught it.
The early Church proclaimed it.
And every true Christian believed it — until 1909, when a Zionist-ghostwritten footnote Bible started rewiring the minds of the lukewarm.

Don’t believe me?

Let’s ask the actual Church Fathers — the men who bled and died for the faith.

Justin Martyr (155 AD):
“For the true spiritual Israel… are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.”
— Dialogue with Trypho, Ch. 11

Irenaeus (180 AD):
“They who believe in Him and follow His word… are the true Israel.”
— Against Heresies, Book 4

Tertullian (c. 200 AD):
“The Jews had formerly been near to God, but having departed from Him, they are now very far off... We who were far off have begun to be made nigh.” — Against Marcion, Book 3, Ch. 23

Cyprian of Carthage (250 AD):
“We Christians are the true people of God, though the Jews once were... the Jews, according to the flesh, were cast off.” — Treatises of Cyprian, Treatise 12, Book 1

Origen (248 AD):
“We say that they [the Jews] were rejected... when the Church of the living God was built, the shadow of the letter passed away, and the light of the Spirit rose.” — Against Celsus, Book 3, Ch. 28

Eusebius of Caesarea (325 AD):
“The promises of the covenants made to Israel are now fulfilled in us [the Church]... The Hebrews have fallen from the grace of God.” — Proof of the Gospel, Book 1, Ch. 4

^ Bullet proof and undeniable. This is what all Christians on Earth believed for 1900 years.

They didn’t worship dirt.
They didn’t bow to man-made flags flying demonic stars cursed by God.
And they sure as hell didn’t call a Christ-rejecting state in the Middle East - “God’s chosen people.”

That delusion came later — wrapped in Scofield leather, funded by Zionist bankers, and swallowed by a Church asleep at the wheel.

The apostles knew it.
The Church Fathers thundered it.
The Scriptures declare it.
THE BODY OF CHRIST IS ISRAEL.

There is no other covenant.
There is no other seed.
There is no other people of God — outside of Christ.

Understand this — and understand it well.
Not one Apostle.
Not one Early Church Father.
Not Peter. Not Paul.
Not Ignatius, not Polycarp, not Irenaeus, not Justin Martyr, not Tertullian, not Origen, not Cyprian, not Athanasius, not Eusebius —

None of them believed the lie you’ve been spoon-fed by modern apostates.

They would look at the Rothschild/UN-created abomination in the Middle East —
that Christ-rejecting state drenched in unbelief —
and call it what it is:

Blasphemy.
An affront to God.
A satanic rebellion to seize what God never gave.
A geopolitical idol wrapped in prophecy and baptized in blood.

You’ve been deceived — not by the Word, but by the Dragon.
You’ve traded the Gospel of Christ for a counterfeit covenant.
You bow to a nation that crucified your Lord, then call it "holy".
You exalt a people who reject the Son, then dare to call them “chosen.”

Tell me —
How can one be chosen while rejecting the Chooser?
How can one inherit the promise while denying the Promised One?
The veil was torn at Calvary —
and yet here you are, frantically sewing it back together
with Scofield’s thread and Zionist gold.

You’ve honored a nation of dirt over a Kingdom not of this world.
You’ve exalted flesh and flags over the Cross of Christ.
You’ve carved a new golden calf — and called it “Israel.”

But the true Israel?
The everlasting covenant?
The heirs of Abraham?

They are in Christ. Alone.

The Body of Christ is Israel - There is no other.
Not DNA. Not dirt. Not a political regime flying a cursed star God never gave David.

Wake up.
The veil is torn.
Stop stitching it back together
with Zionist lies from the Pit of Hell.

Return to the Gospel.
Return to the Christ who fulfilled the promise.
And leave behind the apostasy that dares to crown His enemies as saints.

 

[ProDeo]

And Paul explicitly calls the Church:
“The Israel of God.” — Galatians 6:16

Thanks for the latest eloquent spanking, you are good with that.

Taken from BibleRef

Added colors are mine.

What does Galatians 6:16 mean? ​

Coming to the end of his letter to the Galatians, Paul offers a benediction or a blessing to a specific group of people: "all who walk by this rule." The rule he has in mind is what he has just said in the previous verses: It doesn't matter if someone is circumcised; what matters is if someone is a new creation in Christ.

Paul has made the case, from the first words of this letter (Galatians 1:3–5), that being "in Christ" comes only by faith in Christ and His death for our sin on the cross. No component of works, rituals, or sacraments can obtain our salvation (Galatians 3:23–29). In fact, to rely on any aspect of works means not fully trusting in the finished work of Christ (Galatians 5:2–4). The "rule" we are to follow is that of faith in Christ, leading to submissive obedience through His Spirit.

To those in Galatia who follow that rule, Paul prays for peace and mercy. He also prays the same upon "the Israel of God." In Greek, as well as in English, Paul separates these two groups in praying his blessing. The growing body of Christians—the church—does not replace Israel. Even Paul, as shown here, sees them as separate entities.

 

[Scott Downey]

Thanks for the latest eloquent spanking, you are good with that.

Taken from BibleRef

Added colors are mine.

What does Galatians 6:16 mean? ​

Coming to the end of his letter to the Galatians, Paul offers a benediction or a blessing to a specific group of people: "all who walk by this rule." The rule he has in mind is what he has just said in the previous verses: It doesn't matter if someone is circumcised; what matters is if someone is a new creation in Christ.

Paul has made the case, from the first words of this letter (Galatians 1:3–5), that being "in Christ" comes only by faith in Christ and His death for our sin on the cross. No component of works, rituals, or sacraments can obtain our salvation (Galatians 3:23–29). In fact, to rely on any aspect of works means not fully trusting in the finished work of Christ (Galatians 5:2–4). The "rule" we are to follow is that of faith in Christ, leading to submissive obedience through His Spirit.

To those in Galatia who follow that rule, Paul prays for peace and mercy. He also prays the same upon "the Israel of God." In Greek, as well as in English, Paul separates these two groups in praying his blessing. The growing body of Christians—the church—does not replace Israel. Even Paul, as shown here, sees them as separate entities.

Galatia is gentile lands. Galatian church is gentile believers.
The letter to that church is not written to jews

Who Were the Galatians in the Bible?

The apostle Paul addressed one of his now-canonical letters to the “churches of Galatia," but where exactly were these churches located?

www.biblicalarchaeology.org

Who were the Galatians in the Bible? The apostle Paul addressed one of his now-canonical letters to the “churches of Galatia” (Galatians 1:2), but where exactly were these churches located?

Galatia refers to a region in north central Turkey; Ankara, the capital of modern Turkey, was once a major Galatian city (Ancyra). The name of Galatia is derived from the 20,000 Gauls who settled in the region in 278 B.C.E. More than two centuries later, in 25 B.C.E., the area became a Roman province and was extended to the south. In Paul’s day, the new province included the regions of Pisidia, Phrygia, and Lycaonia. Scholars often refer to these new, southern regions as “south Galatia” and to geographic Galatia as “north Galatia.”

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Thanks for the latest eloquent spanking, you are good with that.

Taken from BibleRef

Added colors are mine.

What does Galatians 6:16 mean?​

Coming to the end of his letter to the Galatians, Paul offers a benediction or a blessing to a specific group of people: "all who walk by this rule." The rule he has in mind is what he has just said in the previous verses: It doesn't matter if someone is circumcised; what matters is if someone is a new creation in Christ.

Paul has made the case, from the first words of this letter (Galatians 1:3–5), that being "in Christ" comes only by faith in Christ and His death for our sin on the cross. No component of works, rituals, or sacraments can obtain our salvation (Galatians 3:23–29). In fact, to rely on any aspect of works means not fully trusting in the finished work of Christ (Galatians 5:2–4). The "rule" we are to follow is that of faith in Christ, leading to submissive obedience through His Spirit.

To those in Galatia who follow that rule, Paul prays for peace and mercy. He also prays the same upon "the Israel of God." In Greek, as well as in English, Paul separates these two groups in praying his blessing. The growing body of Christians—the church—does not replace Israel. Even Paul, as shown here, sees them as separate entities.

The Gospel isn’t a synagogue with an add-on wing for Gentiles.
It’s a brand new creation (Gal. 6:15–16), where the only name on the covenant is Jesus Christ.
If you’re clinging to bloodlines and borders, you’re standing outside the bus terminal screaming about Abraham while the actual seed of Abraham has already driven off with the keys.

They’re like a bunch of sweaty, wild-eyed Scofieldites standing on the curb screaming,

“WE’RE THE REAL ISRAEL! YOU CAN’T LEAVE WITHOUT US!”
while the bus of salvation — driven by Christ, filled with Jews and Gentiles made one in Him — is pulling away from the curb.



And Jesus is like:

“I told you.
One Shepherd. One flock. One Body.
Get in — or get left.”

But they don’t want the Body.
They want a bloodline VIP pass.
They want a kosher covenant club that Jesus Himself never authorized.

They’re not just refusing to get on the bus…
They’re trying to hijack it.
They want Jesus to turn the wheel back toward Old Jerusalem, reinstall the Levitical priesthood, and pretend the Cross didn’t cancel the whole system (Hebrews 8:13).

And I can assure you — according to the Gospel — that ain’t gonna happen.
So they either need to get on the bus with Jesus and the rest of us—
or get out of the Middle East where they don’t belong.

Because — and let me spell it out real slow —
EVERYONE ON THE BUS IS ISRAEL, Jesus, the King of Israel, is driving the bus along with his Jew & Gentile followers. The Body of Christ, which is Israel. - It isn't dirt.

That's right..
Not Moses 2.0.
Not an ethnic VIP-class.
Not post-cross covenant holdouts waving a cursed star.
They need to just shut up and get on the bus with the rest of us, they're not "extra special". - Galatians 3:28
Israel isn't dirt, it's the Body of Christ, which is already ON THE BUS.

If you're not going to get on it, well, then I guess we won't see you because you'll be in Hell.
But you know, Jesus said that's where their father lives (John 8:44)
so some of these holdouts might want to go there anyway.

 

[Scott Downey]

Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galacia was comprised of people from Gaul, they were not of the jews.
Yet Paul tells them as believers they are Abraham's seed

The other thing is Christ only aids to salvation those who are Abraham's seed, they are His brethren, they the Father gave to the Son as His children.
He does not know any other people
He will tell them, the ones who are not His brethren, I never knew you at the judgment, depart from ME.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hebrews 1

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Amen. Every word of this burns with the kind of urgency the modern church has forgotten.

The doctrine of two peoples of God—Israel and the Church—is not just wrong. It is spiritually suicidal.
It teaches that Jesus was not enough… that His death didn’t fulfill the covenant… that ethnic identity is a path to salvation apart from faith.

> That is not another interpretation.
That is another gospel.
And Paul said, “Let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:9)



The early Church never taught that the Body of Christ was a detour.
Jesus didn’t fail to establish His Kingdom.
He said “It is finished”—not “To be continued after a seven-year tribulation.”

> “He has made the two one…” (Ephesians 2:14)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed…” (Galatians 3:29)



There is no second plan. There is no ethnic exception. There is no third temple that will somehow honor God apart from Christ.

To say Christ is Israel’s Messiah — but also say Israel has another covenant —

is to call Jesus a liar.

And yes… this lie is Antichrist at the root.
Because it denies the Son. It denies the cross. It denies the Church.
And it exalts a system—Zionism—built on rejection of the Lamb.

> The true Israel of God is not found in the Knesset.
It’s found at the foot of the cross.



I stand with the saints, the martyrs, and the prophets… not with Scofield, Rothschilds, or Rothman-funded eschatology.

> The Church isn’t a parenthesis.
It’s the Bride.
The Body.
The fulfillment.
And it will reign with Christ forever.



So yes—if “Replacement Theology” means that Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant,
then sign me up.

Because I will not reject the Son of God to keep the traditions of men.
And I will not apologize for standing on “It is finished.”

 

[ProDeo]

If you're not going to get on it, well, then I guess we won't see you because you'll be in Hell.
But you know, Jesus said that's where their father lives (John 8:44)
so some of these holdouts might want to go there anyway.

John 8:44 you say, lemme see :

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Boy, I am glad you are not the judge.

Making this -- Christianity is the true Israel -- a salvation issue may be held against you :

1Cor 3:11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Cor 3:12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw—
1Cor 3:13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
1Cor 3:14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
1Cor 3:15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

 

[ProDeo]

Galatians 3:29
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Hi Scott,

Yes.

The new covenant in Christ is all what counts.

Doesn't make me a Hebrew or Jew, I am not living in Israel either.

Galacia was comprised of people from Gaul, they were not of the jews.
Yet Paul tells them as believers they are Abraham's seed

The other thing is Christ only aids to salvation those who are Abraham's seed, they are His brethren, they the Father gave to the Son as His children.
He does not know any other people
He will tell them, the ones who are not His brethren, I never knew you at the judgment, depart from ME.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hebrews 1

Bringing Many Sons to Glory​

10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”

14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

It's Hebrews chapter 2, not 1.

And I miss the connection that Christianity is the true Israel.

Back to Gal 6:16 -

Gal 6:15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
Gal 6:16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Paul obviously makes a distinction and is in sync what he said in Romans.

Rom 11:1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?

Rom 11:23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
Rom 11:27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
Rom 11:28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

 

[Scott Downey]

Hi Scott,

Yes.

The new covenant in Christ is all what counts.

Doesn't make me a Hebrew or Jew, I am not living in Israel either.



It's Hebrews chapter 2, not 1.

And I miss the connection that Christianity is the true Israel.

Back to Gal 6:16 -

Gal 6:15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
Gal 6:16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Paul obviously makes a distinction and is in sync what he said in Romans.

Rom 11:1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?

Rom 11:23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

Rom 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
Rom 11:27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
Rom 11:28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

The beginning of that Romans 11 chapter emphasizes who is of Israel, and it is those God reserves for Himself by grace to be saved.
And if you are of Israel you will be saved either jew or gentile, but this is not according to the flesh, it is according to the Spirit according to election, which Paul also taught in Romans 9

They are called 'the elect' who obtain salvation, while the rest are blinded
God does not cast away His elect whom HE foreknew as His people.
God does cast away as in cast out of His kingdom those He does not know.
Like Jesus says, I never knew you, depart from Me you workers of Iniquity.
God never knew them as His.


Romans 11
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That is the hardness that came upon unbelieving Israel, that it came from God, it was His will to harden them, so they could not believe.
John 12

Who Has Believed Our Report?​

37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:

“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:

40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said [f]when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

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Paul makes the point God at the end of the age, will unharden them and they will believe, the remnant of Jews left at the end of the age who are of the Spirit by election of God.
Paul makes it pretty clear who is of Israel, and it is only believing Jews and believing Gentiles, it is never the unbelieving Jews.

In Romans 9, 10, 11, we know salvation for the Jews is again only for the remnant of their number, and so 'all Israel will be saved' as the unsaved others were not of Israel according to the Spirit.

Roman 9
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

Present Condition of Israel​

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

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[The Gospel of Christ]

The beginning of that Romans 11 chapter emphasizes who is of Israel, and it is those God reserves for Himself by grace to be saved.
And if you are of Israel you will be saved either jew or gentile, but this is not according to the flesh, it is according to the Spirit according to election, which Paul also taught in Romans 9

That's right..
So this entire, charade in the Middle East is nothing but an affront to God, and an absolute joke and clown show
not based in a single molecule of biblical reality.

Its a joke because even if they were real, authentic, "ethnic Biblical Jews" and they could absolutely prove genetic
lineage directly to Abraham, that would be irrelevant. The WORD OF GOD SAYS SO.

But they're NOT "ethnic Biblical Jews" to begin with, they're 8th century Gentile, Khazar converts, and no one on Earth can prove
that they're genetically related to Abraham anyway. This absolute JOKE that the whole world is bowing down too
wouldn’t even hold up under five minutes of courtroom scrutiny.. Forget a trial — it would get laughed out in pre-hearing.

It’s the Emperor’s New Clothes on steroids.

Except the emperor’s not just naked —
He’s rocking a stolen yarmulke,
a Rothschild name tag,
and a blinged-out medallion that says: “I ❤ Scofield — Ask Me About Dual Covenant Theology.”

And the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
It doesn’t just refute their false claims —
It annihilates them.
A thousand times over.

So the million dollar questions is... Why, is any Christian ON EARTH going along with this blasphemous,
confounded, ridiculous charade? This manufactured, Rothschild/UN abomination that stands as nothing but
a finger in God's eye? (Because we know that the Body of Christ is the true Israel)

And the answer is 1909... the introduction of the Scofield reference Bible, born in Hell, funded by Rockefeller and unleashed
on an unsuspecting public like a demonic, theological plague to rot the Gospel. By 1920, the veil had landed on the US population like a 10 ton hammer and by 1948, the delusion had metastasized both during and after the Depression.

And today?
Only the real remnant remembers and remains.. 80% of the modern, US Church are now totally bewitched and under the spell of the Dragon himself along with the entire Western, government. It's like a real life, Sci-fi horror movie the way these Evangelicals are under a spell.

Rothschild better be thanking his lucky stars that these men aren't running the Pentagon right now..

Justin Martyr (100–165 AD)
“The true spiritual Israel is not the race who descended from Jacob, but those who believe in Christ.”
— Dialogue with Trypho the Jew

Cyprian of Carthage (250 AD):
“We Christians are the true people of God, though the Jews once were... the Jews, according to the flesh, were cast off.” — Treatises of Cyprian, Treatise 12, Book 1

Irenaeus of Lyons (130–202 AD)
“They [the jews] are disinherited from the grace of God.”
— Against Heresies, Book IV

John Chrysostom (349–407 AD)
“The synagogue is not only a brothel and a theater; it is also a den of robbers and a lodging for wild beasts.”
— Homilies Against the Jews

Eusebius of Caesarea (325 AD):
“The promises of the covenants made to Israel are now fulfilled in us [the Church]... The Hebrews have fallen from the grace of God.” — Proof of the Gospel, Book 1, Ch. 4

Let me put it this way:
^ If these titans of the faith, the actual architects of the Christian Church were running the Pentagon right now??? LOL! HAHAaaa!

Let’s just say... Benjamin Milekowsky (Netanyahu) would be having a very different week. He'd be back in Poland where he belongs with his band of 8th century Khazar converts within a week. You could bet the farm and everything you own on that.. World peace would probably break out in a month. The curse of these Eastern European, carpet baggers and identity thieves would finally be over.. The world could breathe easy again.. New laws would be written to NEVER ALLOW Oxford, or the Rockefeller's near the Holy Bible and printing presses again.

The entire World would probably see the peace break out and accept that Christianity is real and convert to it, the whole world would be saved.

Even Benjamin Milekowsky (Netanyahu) would be saved and come to Christ back in Poland.. He'd laugh it all off and say -- "Hey! But we had you guys goin for a while, didn't weeee?" and I'd laugh and be like - "Well yea, you carpet bombed us with your Scofield Bibles from Hell and rewired the mind of our entire population during the Depression. You guys are NEVER, allowed near Bible's or Bible printing presses again Ben. But yea, I got to admit, it was pretty funny that you Khazars tricked the world into thinking you were actually ethnic Biblical Jews though! LOL! Man, I mean.. I just couldn't believe the world bought it so easily. Just, you know.. don't do it again. We both laugh."

And then me and Ben hug it out and head over to the brand new Christmas-themed Disney World in Tel Aviv —
where the Gospel is back, the cross is king, and Scofield’s footnotes are banned by federal law. In fact, the entire planet signed the final law into existence to protect the earth from this ever happening again. See, God, put the protection into the Bible to keep this very thing from ever happening - “Avoid genealogies…” — Titus 3:9. So Scofield's job was to make you ignore that. And you did.

 

[ProDeo]

The beginning of that Romans 11 chapter emphasizes who is of Israel, and it is those God reserves for Himself by grace to be saved.
And if you are of Israel you will be saved either jew or gentile, but this is not according to the flesh, it is according to the Spirit according to election, which Paul also taught in Romans 9

They are called 'the elect' who obtain salvation, while the rest are blinded
God does not cast away His elect whom HE foreknew as His people.
God does cast away as in cast out of His kingdom those He does not know.
Like Jesus says, I never knew you, depart from Me you workers of Iniquity.
God never knew them as His.


Romans 11
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That is the hardness that came upon unbelieving Israel, that it came from God, it was His will to harden them, so they could not believe.
John 12

Who Has Believed Our Report?​

37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:

“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:

40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said [f]when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Paul makes the point God at the end of the age, will unharden them and they will believe, the remnant of Jews left at the end of the age who are of the Spirit by election of God.
Paul makes it pretty clear who is of Israel, and it is only believing Jews and believing Gentiles, it is never the unbelieving Jews.

In Romans 9, 10, 11, we know salvation for the Jews is again only for the remnant of their number, and so 'all Israel will be saved' as the unsaved others were not of Israel according to the Spirit.

Roman 9
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25 As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26 “And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

27 Isaiah also cries out concerning Israel:

“Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea,
The remnant will be saved.
28 For [b]He will finish the work and cut it short in righteousness,
Because the Lord will make a short work upon the earth.”
29 And as Isaiah said before:

“Unless the Lord of [c]Sabaoth had left us a seed,
We would have become like Sodom,
And we would have been made like Gomorrah.”

Present Condition of Israel​

30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law [d]of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, [e]by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

“Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 9 - New King James Version

Israel’s Rejection of Christ - I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the...

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I understand all that, but Scripture about unrepentant Israel says :

Rom 11:27 “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.

Revealed by the Holy Spirit approx 2000 years ago, a covenant with unrepentant Israel, do note.

Furthermore about Israel :

Gal 6:15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.
Gal 6:16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Paul obviously makes a distinction between the Body of Christ and the Israel of God (Romans 9-11)

Israel is God's business, I don't take sides in the Israel of 1948, I do believe 1948 has God's fingerprints all over it, that the Lord is in control and watch how things will play out, Him keeping the covenant of Rom 11:27.

I therefore have serious doubts Christians can hijack the name Israel.