Doctrine of Predestination

[Davy]

I don't follow the pre-trib rapture thinking because God's Word actually teaches pre-wrath rapture.

I have already... established that YOU DO FOLLOW MEN'S FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. So there's no use you telling LIES about that!

YES BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Don't let good ole' Big Boy Johnson deceive you, because he has made statements that he believes the rapture happens as soon as the "man of sin" is revealed, and immediately PRIOR to the START of the "great tribulation". All he is TRYING to do is DECEIVE others into believing man's FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. I smelt the rat in his doctrine early on, and he is turned to insults and bad mouthing against me, because that's all he has left after his being EXPOSED.

His false doctrine about his belief when the rapture will occur is nothing new. Some call it a mid-trib rapture. But it's still a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY, simply because ANY doctrine that preaches a rapture of the Church that says the Church does not go through the "great tribulation" is telling a BIG FLAT LIE against Lord Jesus' Own Words.

Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 that His future coming to gather His Church will be AFTER the tribulation. That means the Church WILL GO THROUGH THE GREAT TRIBULATION, and that the Church is to WAIT FOR JESUS' COMING IMMEDIATELY AFTER IT.

Pre-trib, Mid-trib, it's all the SAME FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY. No doubt some of the devils children that began the false pre-trib rapture theory thought to try and increase their deceptive fold with creating the mid-trib rapture idea, which also preaches the Church is raptured prior to the time of "great tribulation", and is what Johnson is pushing here.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What is a "teh bible"?

Is that like a special calvinist bible or something?

Maybe ytou should focus on the discussion instead of being a nit picking pharisee like critic.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You had better do some more reading. This should help:

A Roman Boy's Rite of Passage

A Roman boy's rite of passage, a ceremony or ritual marking a transitional period in life from childhood to adulthood, was the assuming of the toga virilis, the adult toga. The ceremony usually took...

www.worldhistory.org

Here are some pertinent excerpts from the article:



The Apostle Paul was a Roman citizen (Acts 22:25-29), and he was very familiar with the Roman customs of his day. In Paul's day, "adoption" was a coming-of-age ceremony, and this is recognizable if we simply look to the meaning of the word "adoption" in the underlying Greek of the New Testament. The underlying Greek word that is translated into English as "adoption" is "huiothesia,"

G5206 - huiothesia - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G5206 - υἱοθεσία huiŏthĕsia, hwee-oth-es-ee'-ah; from a presumed compound of and a derivative of ; the placing as a son, i.e. adoption (figuratively, Christian sonship in respect to God):—adoption (of children, of sons).

www.blueletterbible.org

and that word is a compound of two other Greek words, "huios,"

G5207 - huios - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G5207 - υἱός huiŏs, hwee-os'; apparently a primary word; a "son" (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship:—child, foal, son.

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which means "son," and "tithēmi,"

G5087 - tithēmi - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv)

G5087 - τίθημι títhēmi, tith'-ay-mee; a prolonged form of a primary θέω théō theh'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses); to place (in the widest application, literally and figuratively; properly, in a passive or horizontal posture, and thus different...

www.blueletterbible.org

which means "to place." Therefore, the word "adoption" in Paul's day literally meant "to place as a son," and the context in which Paul used this word tells us exactly what he meant.

As I showed in the excerpts from the article that I linked to, in Paul's day, a Roman boy was under a pedagogue or schoolmaster until the time of his coming-of-age ceremony. His father determined exactly when that time was, and during his "adoption" ceremony, he donned a "toga virilis" or a "toga of manhood" as he was now deemed to be an adult son in society. This coming-of-age ceremony is exactly was Paul was referring to in his epistle to the Galatians. There, we read:

"Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ." (Gal. 4:1-7)

In the same manner that a Roman boy was under a pedagogue or schoolmaster until the time of his father's choosing when he received the classification as a adult son, we were once under the schoolmaster of "the law" (Gal. 3:24-25) until the time came that God the Father sent forth his Son to redeem us that we might receive the status of adult sons ourselves in God's eyes.

^^^THIS^^^ is what Paul was talking about, and not our modern-day understanding of the word "adoption." In Paul's day, this coming-of-age ceremony was marked by a boy putting on his "toga virilis." For Christians, this coming-of-age ceremony is marked by us "putting on Christ" (Gal. 3:27).

Who has ears to hear, let them hear.

P.S.

This biblical and historical truth is what you previously called my "hokey definition" in your ignorance. I would repent before God for that if I were you.

Roman practice of adoption related to Romans 8:15--Aleteia

His line on "the Spirit of adoption, enabling us to cry out, 'Abba, Father!'" speaks not only about us but also about God

aleteia.org

It was a legal process both for natural and children brought into a family. It gave them the full right of the family aqnd heirship.

The children were given a new identity. And as all believers were not part of the family of God, they were children brought into the household of God from outside, and given the new family name.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In the same manner that a Roman boy was under a pedagogue or schoolmaster until the time of his father's choosing when he received the classification as a adult son, we were once under the schoolmaster of "the law" (Gal. 3:24-25) until the time came that God the Father sent forth his Son to redeem us that we might receive the status of adult sons ourselves in God's eyes.

Yes . Until that time He was simply like a servant child. It wasn't until He was granted full family ship (for wont of a better word) He was no better off than a servant. He was a son, but at the same time not a son.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Which they should be taught to do immediately after getting born again if they are to be considered righteous

Those not putting off the old man and putting on the new man are still walking after the flesh which is continued walking in un-righteousness

Very few churches today teach people to put off the old man and put the new man on

Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

They'll tell people who believe Ephesians 4:24 they are arrogant, full of pride, and think they are better than everyone else and otherwise discourage them from walking in righteousness telling them they are still sorry no good dirty sinners!

You have proven that you do not know what a believers righteousness is!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I have already... established that YOU DO FOLLOW MEN'S FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY.

I have already established that I DO NOT FOLLOW PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY

he believes the rapture happens as soon as the "man of sin" is revealed

See now you are lying because I said the rapture happens some time after the man of sin is revealed.

The pre-tribbers teach the rapture happens before the man of sin is revealed.

You don't even know what's going on

Some call it a mid-trib rapture. But it's still a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY

I see English not your first language.

You don't even understand the difference between before middle and end.

Lord Jesus showed in Matthew 24:29-31 that His future coming to gather His Church will be AFTER the tribulation.

The ignorant are not aware that Jesus was speaking of gathering His saints who are still on earth at the end of the Tribulation as they falsely claim nobody can get saved during the tribulation

No doubt some of the devils children

the devil's children teach as you do, that the Lord does not love His people and wants His FAITHFUL to go thru the most destructive time ever in the history of the world

They believe this because they are void of God's love and don't really know the Lord very well still being in diapers and all

 

[Davy]

I have already established that I DO NOT FOLLOW PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY

Certainly you DO... following man's false Pre-trib Rapture Theory, you just don't realize it yet. There is no such idea of a mid-trib rapture written in God's Word. And such an idea is only MASKING as just another version of the false Pre-trib Rapture theory. How? Because ANY doctrine that pushes a rapture of the Church PRIOR to the "great tribulation" is included in the false Pre-trib Rapture theory. The timing of the "great tribulation" is the LATTER HALF 1260 days of Daniel's symbolic "one week", even as you have shown in your posts.

So you can LIE to yourself all you want, but that IS... what you are following IF you believe in a rapture of the Church even at the mid-point of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" (7years).

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Certainly you DO...

Thank you for verifying your delusion

There is no such idea of a mid-trib rapture

There's no such thing as a post trib rapture.

You are confused as the post trib gathering of saints is not the rapture

And so your delusion continues

a rapture of the Church PRIOR to the "great tribulation"

Hello! Anybody home or did they just leave the lights on and nobody is there?

Mid trib is not prior to the great tribulation

English must not be your first language

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

There's no such thing as a post trib rapture.

You are confused as the post trib gathering of saints is not the rapture.

May I ask where you believe people will be raptured to and when you believe it will occur?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

May I ask where you believe people will be raptured to and when you believe it will occur?

Obviously from earth to be with the Lord and it will happen sometime after the man of sin is revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)

God's faithful have not been appointed to wrath whether it's God's wrath of the devil's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Obviously from earth to be with the Lord and it will happen sometime after the man of sin is revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3)

To be with the Lord where? In heaven or on earth?

God's faithful have not been appointed to wrath whether it's God's wrath of the devil's wrath (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

Nowhere does the Bible say that Christians have not been appointed to Satan's wrath. In fact, it clearly indicates that Christians have been appointed to his wrath. Also, Christians will still be here on earth as the wrath of God is being poured out, but they will be protected from it. For example, we read:

Revelation chapter 16

[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
[2] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
[3] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
[4] And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
[5] And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
[6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
[7] And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
[8] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
[9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
[10] And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
[11] And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
[12] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
[15] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
[17] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Between the pouring out of the 6th and 7th vials of the wrath of God, Jesus is heard admonishing his saints to watch and keep their garments because he has not yet "come as a thief" or not yet come as "a thief in the night." God is able to protect his people from his wrath, even as he did during the time of the exodus from Egypt.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

To be with the Lord where? In heaven or on earth?

It won't be on earth because the rapture happens before Jesus returns to earth

He is with the Father now, so those taken in the rapture will be taken there with Him.

Later when He returns his faithful will be returning with Him and we will have glorified bodies as He does not which are untouchable by physical death.

Nowhere does the Bible say that Christians have not been appointed to Satan's wrath.

You are reading something in to scripture it does not say on that point.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

God's faithful are not appointted to any wrath at all - keep reading, we ARE apponted unto salvation

This is G4991 ins Strongs which means:

soteria -- pronounced: so-tay-ree'-ah

noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): KJV -- deliver, health, salvation, save, saving.

It's your call if you chose to reject the physical rescue to safety that the Lord will provide for His faithful who keep His Word will be provided (Revelation 3:10).

I'm taking Jesus up on what His Word promises and will not be here under anybody's wrath whether it's God's wrath or satan's wrath during the great tribulation.

To each his own, we all reap what we sow and according to our faith it will be done unto us.

Those refusing to believe the Lord is going to rescue His faithful won't be bothered with it as they will be left behind because this is what they believed for and this is what they'll get.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

It won't be on earth because the rapture happens before Jesus returns to earth

He is with the Father now, so those taken in the rapture will be taken there with Him.

Nope. The rapture and Jesus' return to earth both occur at the same exact time, and nobody will be raptured to heaven at that time...at least not to "the third heaven."

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth), such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth), How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." (2 Cor. 12:2-4)

Here is how the Greek word “harpazō," which is translated as “caught up” in the following portion of scripture, was used by Paul:

“But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.” (1 Thes. 4:13-18)

Here, Jesus is coming (vs. 15), or descending from heaven (vs. 16), or, more specifically, coming and descending from "the third heaven" (2 Cor. 12:2). When he comes and descends from the third heaven, “them also which sleep in Jesus” (vs. 14) or “the dead in Christ” (vs. 16) “will God bring with him” (vs. 14). In other words, “the dead in Christ” are coming or descending from the third heaven with Jesus. With such being the case, this is not a “rapture” to the third heaven, but a coming or descending from the third heaven instead.

As Paul taught elsewhere, “to be absent from the body” is “to be present with the Lord” (2 Cor. 5:8). When a Christian dies, his/her spirit and soul go to be with the Lord in the third heaven, but they will not receive their glorified bodies until the time of Christ’s coming or descent from the third heaven. At that time, "the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17). "The clouds" are not a part of "the third heaven" (2 Cor. 12:2), but a part of the first heaven instead or a part of this earth's atmosphere. Similarly, the "raptured" saints will "meet the Lord in the air," and the Greek word which is here translated into English as "air" relates to this earth's atmosphere as well.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g109/kjv/tr/0-1/

With such being the case, again, this is not a "rapture" to "the third heaven" (2 Cor. 12:2) being described here, but rather a "rapture" to the first heaven, "in the clouds," and "in the air," where the "raptured" saints will meet the Lord and the dead in Christ in their descent from the third heaven or in their coming from the third heaven.

Why is Christ coming or descending from the third heaven?

He is coming or descending from the third heaven because this is describing his second coming (he only comes twice, Hebrews 9:27-28, and he already came once), and he is returning to establish the kingdom of God right here on earth, even as he taught us to pray:

“After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.” (Mat. 6:9-13)

At Christ’s second coming, as he descends from the third heaven to establish the kingdom of God right here on earth, “the dead in Christ shall rise first” (1 Thes. 4:16), and “then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (harpazō) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thes. 4:17).

Where does this passage say that the saints who are yet alive at this time are being “caught up” or raptured to go to heaven…specifically “the third heaven” (2 Cor. 12:2)?

Of course, the correct answer is nowhere. In other words, there is no U-turn back to heaven (“the third heaven” – 2 Cor. 12:2) being described here. This portion of scripture perfectly matches what Paul said to the saints at Corinth. There, we read:

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Cor. 15:50-53)

It is the same exact scenario. Jesus returns, or comes, or descends from the third heaven. When he returns, “the dead shall be raised incorruptible” (vs. 52) or “the dead in Christ shall rise first” (1 Thes. 4:16), “and we shall be changed” (vs. 52) or “then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air” (1 Thes. 4:17). Again, the only saints who actually get “caught up” or “raptured” are those who meet the Lord and the dead in Christ in the air during their descent from the third heaven.
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is making a U-turn back to "the third heaven” (2 Cor. 12:2).

Why do we need glorified bodies?

Because “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Cor. 15:50), and “the kingdom of God” is coming to this earth…we are not going to the third heaven to inherit it.

You made several other incorrect claims in your response to me, but this is all that I have time to address at the moment.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The rapture and Jesus' return to earth both occur at the same exact time

Nope, wrong again.

Those refusing to believe the Lord is going to rescue His faithful won't be bothered with it as they will be left behind because this is what they believed for and this is what they'll get.

Sounds like your fate is sealed!

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Nope, wrong again.

Those refusing to believe the Lord is going to rescue His faithful won't be bothered with it as they will be left behind because this is what they believed for and this is what they'll get.

Sounds like your fate is sealed!

Nope. Instead, it sounds as if you need to reread your Bible, but with the Holy Ghost's assistance this time.

Sad to say, you even have the whole "left behind" thing backwards. Here, try this on for size:

Two complete charlatans, Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins (his son, Dallas, who is the producer of "The Chosen," is a charlatan as well), have made millions of dollars by fleecing the flock with their heretical "Left Behind" series of books and movies, and you seem to be one of their disciples.

Even as I type, millions of professing Christians across the globe are fearful of being "left behind" at Christ's second coming (the second coming and "the rapture" are one and the same event) when the Bible teaches that Christians are the ones who will be "left (behind)" at that time. In other words, they have been TOTALLY DUPED into believing THE POLAR OPPOSITE of what Jesus Christ actually taught.

Here is the portion of scripture that is the basis for this whole fear of being "left behind" nonsense.

"But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left." (Mat. 24:37-41)

Here, Jesus was using a similitude, or he was likening his second coming to the days of Noah. In the same manner that THE WICKED "knew not until the flood came and TOOK THEM ALL AWAY," so shall it be with THE WICKED at Christ's second coming. In other words, whereas charlatans like Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins would have us to believe that the Christians are being "taken" (allegedly to heaven in "the rapture"), in reality, it is THE WICKED who are being "taken" and the righteous who are being "left (behind)" as was the case with righteous Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their three wives.

Now, lest anybody should try to deceive you into believing that it was Noah and his family who were "taken away" in what Jesus said, in Luke's parallel account, he used the word "DESTROYED" instead of "taken away."

"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." (Luke 17:26-27)

Here are the two accounts, side by side:

"For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and knew not until the flood came, AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." (Mat. 24:38-39)

"They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, AND DESTROYED THEM ALL." (Luke 17:27)

Again, the ones who were "taken" were THE WICKED who were "destroyed," and NOT the righteous who were "left (behind)."

Are you one of the millions of professing Christians who are hoping to be "taken" at the Lord's return while being fearful of being "left behind?"

If you are, then you are TOTALLY DUPED, and you are actually hoping for YOUR OWN DESTRUCTION!

How's that for a jolt of biblical reality?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If you are, then you are TOTALLY DUPED, and you are actually hoping for YOUR OWN DESTRUCTION!

Well bud, when the future gets here and you're down here under the wrath and destruction of satan and I'm with the Lord enjoying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, we'll see how that's working out for ya!

I'm going to look down and say, "I'm sure glad I didn't believe like he did"

Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are delivered. The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.

You just need to abide in Christ, but sounds like your mind is made up to jump overboard

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

Well bud, when the future gets here and you're down here under the wrath and destruction of satan and I'm with the Lord enjoying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, we'll see how that's working out for ya!

Deluded people ought not be using laughing emojis.

If you honestly believe that ANYBODY is going be enjoying the marriage supper of the Lamb in heaven, then you have no clue whatsoever. Jesus will remain seated at the Father's right hand in heaven, from where he intercedes for the saints while being the only mediator between God and men, until the time of his second coming. In your fantasy world, you will be sharing a leg of lamb with him in heaven while taking him away from his God-ordained duties. You need a lot of help, and it can only begin with humble repentance before the Lord.

 

[Davy]

Thank you for verifying your delusion.

Making up LIES again I see, a favorite pastime of the devil.

There's no such thing as a post trib rapture.

For over 1,800 years, the Christian Church held to a Post-tribulational coming by Christ Jesus and gathering of the Church. That because it is the ONLY time written of in God's Word for the event of Christ's future return.

Only in 1800's Great Britain was man's FALSE pre-trib rapture theory first preached in a Christian church.

You are confused as the post trib gathering of saints is not the rapture

The word 'rapture' is NOT written anywhere in The Bible (Greek manuscripts). Nor is that word written anywhere in the KJV Bible.

Thus you only show your Biblical illiteracy, mouthing nothing but hot air.

And notice Brethren in Christ:
Big Boyish Johnson can't show any Biblical proof for his false theories he got from men's traditions, so he has to resort to insults and PERSONAL ATTACKS.

That is a sign of a very weak character, like Esau who cried when he discovered his Birthright had actually been lost, crying because he still wanted the Birthright blessing from his father Isaac after his brother Jacob had already received it (Gen.27). It's the same type character trait as Cain, who was jealous of his brother Abel, because God accepted Abel's sacrifice, but not Cain's who thought his was good enough for God.

 

[Truly]

Well bud, when the future gets here and you're down here under the wrath and destruction of satan and I'm with the Lord enjoying the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, we'll see how that's working out for ya!

I'm going to look down and say, "I'm sure glad I didn't believe like he did"

Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are delivered. The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.

You just need to abide in Christ, but sounds like your mind is made up to jump overboard

It very much appears that @Nameaboveallnames is abiding in Christ and his words, as he provided all the same by him in his post whereas you are mocking, while offering no constructive correction using the word of God.

Help us understand why you disagree.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Help us understand why you disagree.

Go back and re-read what I've said thus far.

And take those scripture references to heart.

It very much appears that @Nameaboveallnames is abiding in Christ and his words

Twisting God's Word would be a more accurate assessment