I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[Lizbeth]

Having a good heart is not a free pass or get out of jail card. God does not waver or change his rules. If anyone thinks God will overlook things because someone has a "good heart", they are sadly mistaken. That's what the devil would like you to believe. "Few there be that find it". FEW!

We can't make judgments about any individual who we don't know personally or who the Lord hasn't revealed anything to us about, but the bible says the heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it? And that all our righteousness is as filthy rags. The problem with the religious old covenant Jews is that they failed to receive what they were looking for because they sought to establish their own righteousness instead of submitting to the righteousness of Christ.....they sought it not by faith, but by their own works. Catholicism is a deceitful counterfeit of the true faith given to us by Jesus and the original apostles. It can be SO deceitful...we must not be lured in and deceived by outward appearances.

 

[David Lamb]

This entire post is presumptuous at best.

How can Trinitarianism be considered the original doctrine taught by the apostles, when Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would "guide them into all truth" (John 16:13)? The doctrine bears little resemblance to the preaching found in the book of Acts or to the doctrinal content of the apostolic letters. It's notably absent from the earliest post-biblical Christian writings, such as the Didache, and from the works of first-century figures like Papias and Polycarp. Far from being a natural conclusion of Scripture, the Trinity appears inconsistent with the plain teaching of the Bible, challenges reason, and lacks support from the earliest historical records of the faith.

Well, the deity of Christ is stated clearly at the opening of John's gospel. And in Colossians we read:

“For in Him (Christ) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;” (Col 2:9 NKJV)

The description of the baptism of Jesus contains Father, Son and Holy Spirit:

“When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”” (Mt 3:16-17 NKJV)

 

[Lizbeth]

This entire post is presumptuous at best.

How can Trinitarianism be considered the original doctrine taught by the apostles, when Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would "guide them into all truth" (John 16:13)? The doctrine bears little resemblance to the preaching found in the book of Acts or to the doctrinal content of the apostolic letters. It's notably absent from the earliest post-biblical Christian writings, such as the Didache, and from the works of first-century figures like Papias and Polycarp. Far from being a natural conclusion of Scripture, the Trinity appears inconsistent with the plain teaching of the Bible, challenges reason, and lacks support from the earliest historical records of the faith.

Jesus Christ was God come in the flesh as scripture explicitly attests. However, I believe the formulating and writing of a "creed" to make anyone obligated to it, in itself was a departure from the simplicity of Christ. Anything that doesn't proceed from God's spirit but is from man is bound to miss the mark.

 

[nedsk]

I would argue they don't have the gospel......what they have and are perpetuating unfortunately is actually a false gospel and a false spirit.

To belong to Christ one must be born of His Spirit and have received His Spirit. Many people can have a mental belief in Jesus but without His Spirit and being born of Him as it were, it does not avail for eternal life. Jesus said, "Ye MUST be born again." The old covenant Jews had a mental belief in God....they only knew OF Him, but didn't know Him personally face to face and still needed to receive Christ to be saved, to inherit eternal life....it was even to them first that the gospel was preached, because they needed it the same as lost Gentiles. Catholicism is almost an exact replica of old covenant priesthood temple worship....along with all the similar religious trappings, it's a religion of whitewash the outside of the cup but inside are dead men's bones.

What then do you make of Matthew 28:19?????

 

[Lizbeth]

What then do you make of Matthew 28:19?????

I don't see how making disciples and baptizing is related to what I said.....unless that was a mistake and you meant another scripture....?

 

[nedsk]

What then do you make of Matthew 28:19?????

Sorry that wasn't meant for you

 

[Behold]

The catholics used to do what the moslems did - convert by the sword.

The jesuits are sword to force the entire world to be catholic

Not doubt this is a cult.

Regarding "who has killed more non-converts"..

The MaryCult is still in 1st Place, and Islam is definitely trying to catch up.
In Fact, if Islam were to kill all the Jews in Israel, as they are going to try to do, until Jesus comes back, then that would bring their total much closer to the MaryCult numbers of non-Cathilics and (Catholic Heretics) who they murdered, mostly during the "dark ages" that Catholicism created.

If anyone really wants to know about the MaryCult history, then do a study on The "Crusades", or on this Group... "The Cathars".
Its estimated, that at least 200,000, and up to 1 million "Cathers" were butchered by the MaryCult.
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[Hiddenthings]

Well, the deity of Christ is stated clearly at the opening of John's gospel. And in Colossians we read:

“For in Him (Christ) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;” (Col 2:9 NKJV)

The description of the baptism of Jesus contains Father, Son and Holy Spirit:

“When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”” (Mt 3:16-17 NKJV)

As we've already seen in the Judas discussion, some things remain hidden from you, yet once again, you presume to speak with certainty on something that is, in fact, incorrect.

Let me ask you plainly: Who gave Jesus life and all things?

John 5:26 makes it clear “For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in himself.”

This presents a consistent theme throughout Scripture: everything Jesus has — his life, his name, his inheritance, even the fullness of God dwelling in him — was given to him by his God.

None of these things were inherent or self-originated. Otherwise, the statement “God gave God life” would become a contradiction and Scripture does not speak in contradictions.

Like I said, if you continue to persist David your preconceived beliefs will only be found to be false and you will retreat as you did previously.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I would argue they don't have the gospel......what they have and are perpetuating unfortunately is actually a false gospel and a false spirit.

To belong to Christ one must be born of His Spirit and have received His Spirit. Many people can have a mental belief in Jesus but without His Spirit and being born of Him as it were, it does not avail for eternal life. Jesus said, "Ye MUST be born again." The old covenant Jews had a mental belief in God....they only knew OF Him, but didn't know Him personally face to face and still needed to receive Christ to be saved, to inherit eternal life....it was even to them first that the gospel was preached, because they needed it the same as lost Gentiles. Catholicism is almost an exact replica of old covenant priesthood temple worship....along with all the similar religious trappings, it's a religion of whitewash the outside of the cup but inside are dead men's bones.

Well you are talking about teh religion of the RCC and I am talking about the people. Every mass the gospel is read so they do have the gospel. Like many other cults they require lots of added burdens to understand the gospel but many catholics are believers, just loaded down with bad teaching.

Having perfect doctrine is not a prequisite to be saved or stay saved.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Having perfect doctrine is not a prequisite to be saved or stay saved.

And yet, following false doctrine disqualifies one from salvation because it's one of the works of the flesh on God's list of those that do these things shall not inherit the Kingdom.

Making excuses for false doctrine is being just as bad as those teaching the false doctrine.

 

[Lizbeth]

Well you are talking about teh religion of the RCC and I am talking about the people.

How can you separate the people from the religion they are following, believing in, participating in and supporting...?

Having perfect doctrine is not a prequisite to be saved or stay saved.

No but having the life of the Spirit is. And if the doctrine one believes in is bad enough, it will not lead to salvation but astray of it.