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Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".
 

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Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".
JESUS died in the 70th week
 

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Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".
Our very real ability to manufacture and turn any point of view to suit our paradigm inevitably opens us to clever deceptions....particularly those of our own making.
Jesus never gave us the ins and outs of this, most likely because it's complex. What he did was caution us that deception is cleverer than we imagine by simply stating 'don't be deceived'.....then he leaves us with the responsibility. It behooves those who would claim to have an interest in truth, to be reflective!
 

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We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".
Jesus returns after the tribulation in fire and final judgment (The End)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
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Jesus returns after the tribulation in fire and final judgment (The End)
Yes, Jesus returns after the tribulation. That would be at the 6th seal. There is not THE END at this point. There is still the 7th seal to go.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
The Son of man is revealed at the 6th seal. He remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. That is the day of wrath.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

As the scripture shows the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven at the 6th seal. That is the end of the age. But there is still the 7th seal to go..................so it is not the end.
 

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Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".
He talked about watching in relation to His second coming which He very clearly taught was post-trib (Matthew 24:29-31). It's no wonder you don't want to talk about the timing of His coming in relation to the trib since your view blatantly contradicts what Jesus taught about that.

You say the rapture could happen Pre-70th week? Get serious. Jesus very clearly said His coming, of which no one knows the day or hour since He will come as a thief in the night, would occur "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (Matt 24:29-31). So, no, it cannot happen pre-70th week for that reason (not to mention that the 70th week was already fulfilled long ago).

What do you think we are supposed to be watching for? Jesus talked about watching in relation to being ready for His second coming. How do we make sure that we are ready for His second coming when the rapture will occur? One way is by watching that we do not get deceived

Matthew 24:4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

We should be watching how we are behaving and making sure we are ready spiritually for His return.

Revelation 16:15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5 You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10 He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.
 

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You say the rapture could happen Pre-70th week? Get serious. Jesus very clearly said His coming, of which no one knows the day or hour since He will come as a thief in the night, would occur "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (Matt 24:29-31). So, no, it cannot happen pre-70th week for that reason (not to mention that the 70th week was already fulfilled long ago).
Well said
Also, how can our rapture to glorification occur before Jesus completely atones for us in the 70th week?
Can one partake of the tree of life before he washed clean and born again?

What do you think we are supposed to be watching for? Jesus talked about watching in relation to being ready for His second coming. How do we make sure that we are ready for His second coming when the rapture will occur? One way is by watching that we do not get deceived
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He talked about watching in relation to His second coming which He very clearly taught was post-trib (Matthew 24:29-31). It's no wonder you don't want to talk about the timing of His coming in relation to the trib since your view blatantly contradicts what Jesus taught about that.

You say the rapture could happen Pre-70th week? Get serious. Jesus very clearly said His coming, of which no one knows the day or hour since He will come as a thief in the night, would occur "immediately after the tribulation of those days" (Matt 24:29-31). So, no, it cannot happen pre-70th week for that reason (not to mention that the 70th week was already fulfilled long ago).
Yeah, you understand that Jesus comes immediately after the tribulation.

What you don't understand is that He also comes before the tribulation for the Church. You also don't understand who is being raptured when Jesus comes immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal. Those being raptured sing the song of Moses........they are Jews.

You also disregard the trumpets of God wraths and jump right to the 7th trumpet and somehow claim the 6th seal is the seventh seal, seventh trumpet.

It makes no sense.
 
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Well said
Also, how can our rapture to glorification occur before Jesus completely atones for us in the 70th week?
Can one partake of the tree of life before he washed clean and born again?
Now this is an absolutely outstanding point.

You mention the Day of Atonement.

First off, the Church will be raptured before the last 3.5 years of the 70th week. There is only 3.5 years of the 70th week that is unfulfilled. The AOD will be set up in the middle of the week, and the Church will be raptured before that time.

When the AOD is set up, the great tribulation will begin. The dragon will go after Israel, but part of Israel will flee to the place of protection. When he can't get to the woman, he will go after her seed which is the 12 tribes across the earth. There are 144,000 first fruits of twelve tribes that let us know that the second fold will be of the 12 tribes. Jesus comes immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal and raptures the 12 tribes across the earth.

There are still two days left or 2 years of the 7 years that begin when a 7-year covenant with many is signed.
The first year is the 7th seal one year wrath of God.
The second is the one-year Day of Atonement.

That said the final week has a day (year) of rest...........the Day of Atonement.
 
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What do you think we are supposed to be watching for? Jesus talked about watching in relation to being ready for His second coming.
No, Jesus did not say anything in Matthew 24:42-51 regarding watching for His second coming.

Jesus said for us to watch (verse 42) and be ready (verse 44).

All of us though should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view". There is nothing to prove, nor disprove. We watch, be ready, and continue to watch. Should the rapture not happen pre70th week (pre-trib), we continue to watch and be ready. If the rapture does not happen mid-70th week (mid-trib), we continue to watch and be ready.

The watch rapture view does not attempt to prove/disprove any the of popular rapture views, such as the post trib view that you hold.

The watch rapture view is to watch/be ready and continue to watch/beady until the rapture takes place. Should the rapture not take place until the day of Jesus's second coming, then the post-trib view will have been proven to be correct. Should the rapture take place before the 70th week begins then the pre-trib view will have been proven to be correct.
 
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The watch rapture view is to watch/be ready and continue to watch/beady until the rapture takes place. Should the rapture not take place until the day of Jesus's second coming, then the post-trib view will have been proven to be correct. Should the rapture take place before the 70th week begins then the pre-trib view will have been proven to be correct.

So either way we should all watch and be ready! :gd
 
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Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


So since we are currently in a pre-70th week time status, the rapture could happen pre-70th week.

Should the rapture not take place as the 70th week begins, then we should continue to watch - as the resurrection/rapture is even closer.

My point is - don't be so dogmatic (as to insisting pre-trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath, post trib timing). The key is to watch, be prepared, Matthew 24:44

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We all should be able to adopt the "watch rapture view".
Well the rapture is one of the least written truths in Scripture so we should not expect much to be written on it and when.

But two truths we know from Scripture.

1. The 70th week of Daniel (aka the tribulation) is called the wrath of god, the wrath of the Lamb, wrath. The ony other thing God has wrath on is sin in general. so when we see the bible talk about "THE" wrath of God it is about the 70th week.

Paul declared this:

1 Thessalonians 1:10
And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

The Lake of fire is not the wrath to come, but the 70th week is! So the rapure is pre-trib. also when one studies the why's of the 70th week of Danile (the tribulation) it centers on punishing unbelievers and preparing trhe nation of Israel to be saved as a nation!
 

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A point you don't seem to agree with or understand.
I certainly do not agree with what you are saying.

I do agree there will be atonement.

Lol,
It's about Jesus securing our eternal rest and righteousness in him.
After the Day of wrath which is one year there will be a Day of Atonement which is one year. Seems simple to me.
 

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Well the rapture is one of the least written truths in Scripture so we should not expect much to be written on it and when.

But two truths we know from Scripture.

1. The 70th week of Daniel (aka the tribulation) is called the wrath of god, the wrath of the Lamb, wrath.
I do not believe that is correct.

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.

The great tribulation is not the wrath of God. The great tribulation is when Christians are killed for not taking the mark. The wrath of God is God punishing an unbelieving world.
 

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I do agree there will be atonement.
We have complete atonement now. Why are you looking to the future for atonement?

Heb 9
12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption.

27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.