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Right. I guess I'm getting a little confused. You said that Jesus was practicing a version of Judaism. You also said that the Matthew 16:18 verse was referring to Judaism and not Christianity.
What do you mean by "primitive Christian"?
Primitive Christianity is undeveloped Christianity. It is the original Jewish sect founded and headed by Jesus in the 1st century.
Christianity was in the beginning Jewish.
I don’t know if this will help clear or further muddy the water for you @Riven. Antony Flew includes an Appendix in his book that is dialogue he had with N.T. Wright, a Christian scholar. Wright writes,
”One of the great Jewish scholars of our day, Jacob Neusner, who’s written several major books on Judaism, wrote a book about Jesus. In it he said that when he reads that Jesus said things like, ‘You have heard that it was said thus and so, but I say unto you this and this and this,’ I want to say this to Jesus: Who do you think you are? God?”
(There Is A God, pp. 191-192)
That’s a classic Jewish rejection of Jesus.
Wright then comments,
”Jesus is actually giving a new law, a radically fresh interpretation of the law, and is claiming, in certain respects, to override the way the law was being understood and interpreted.”
(Ibid., p. 192)
The sect Jesus founded is a reform movement within Judaism.
”One of the great Jewish scholars of our day, Jacob Neusner, who’s written several major books on Judaism, wrote a book about Jesus. In it he said that when he reads that Jesus said things like, ‘You have heard that it was said thus and so, but I say unto you this and this and this,’ I want to say this to Jesus: Who do you think you are? God?”
(There Is A God, pp. 191-192)
That’s a classic Jewish rejection of Jesus.
Wright then comments,
”Jesus is actually giving a new law, a radically fresh interpretation of the law, and is claiming, in certain respects, to override the way the law was being understood and interpreted.”
(Ibid., p. 192)
The sect Jesus founded is a reform movement within Judaism.
You’ve asked about my primitive Christian perspective @Riven.
Rejecting fractured and fragmented Christianity isn’t the same thing as rejecting Jesus.
Embracing Jesus isn’t the same thing as embracing fractured and fragmented Judaism.
Solid ground is believing and obeying Jesus. Any other foundation is weak and will eventually buckle.
Rejecting fractured and fragmented Christianity isn’t the same thing as rejecting Jesus.
Embracing Jesus isn’t the same thing as embracing fractured and fragmented Judaism.
Solid ground is believing and obeying Jesus. Any other foundation is weak and will eventually buckle.
No one in scripture calls it Christianity. I have a thread on the subject explaining why I have no issue changing my registration on this platform from “Christian” to “Other Faith”.
Why call it Christianity? To distinguish it from unbelieving Judaism.
To the left, unbelieving Judaism. To the right, developed Christianity (when fully developed, Nicene Christianity)
In the middle, primitive / undeveloped Christianity -> the Jewish sect of the Nazarene.
The middle is under pressure from both sides.
Do you find this illustration helpful or confusing @Riven?
Helpful. As an agnostic, I'm used to being the guy in the middle.
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