I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity
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Big Boy Johnson
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And, that's good. I'm just pointing out that Jesus is a living being and He continues to speak.
Jesus said, "Your Word is Truth" (Jn. 17:17) and Jesus is the Word, and He is a living being. Anything He says, whenever He says it, to whomever He says it, is Truth.
Jesus is the Word and He didn't change "Abraham's Bosom" to "Limbo". He uses both interchangeably.
You've obviously been deceived by that lady and her "mysticism" so whatever she claims "god" said is of course what you'll believe
Do you truly believe that Jesus is a living being? Living beings, like Him, you, and me, have the freedom to act. Their thoughts, words, and actions aren't limited to any book, just as ours aren't. And, you have to truly trust that God will make known who His true spokespersons are. Don't fear.
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Big Boy Johnson
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Yes, but He continues to speak based on what He has already said as He does not change and it's impossible for Him to lie.
As long as it's based on what He has already said as He does not change and it's impossible for Him to lie.
Chapter and verse???
Any knowledge or information coming from any "mystic" is not of the Lord.
There we have it folks - the door is now open to receive the dark saying of the devil
The Lord does not speak thru devils saying things that don't agree with what He has already said.
This is how and why the catholics have so much false doctrine!
Jesus didn't change "Abraham's Bosom" to "Limbo". He uses both interchangeably. That isn't lying...
Are these serious arguments you're giving me??
Again, you already know the word "Limbo" isn't found in the Evangelist accounts.
Correct.
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There have been Catholics for over two thousand years, long before the first Protestant.
Big Boy Johnson
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Jesus does not call Abraham's bosom limbo.
You're trying to con me in to believing what some catholic mystic claims which is not what the Lord says in His Word which IS Truth
I'll pass. No sense in leading that dog around anymore because he won't hunt!
It's not found in God's Word, because Jesus never called Abraham's bosom limbo.
And that's how long they've been espousing false doctrine too.
(I'm not in agreement with so called reformed theology either as that is heresy just like catholic teachings)
In fact, the Lord warned in His Word that false teachers would be coming from within the church and those folks are how the catholic church came to be
They are not of the Body of Christ as they are just another false religious social club claiming to the the only way unto salvation as they teach in direct opposition to what the Lord teaches in His Word.
Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.
2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Matthew 24:4,5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed to speak for God" that are deceiving many (the catholic's popes)
1 Timothy 6:3-5 (see Luke 11:23 and 2 Peter 3:2)
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness (holiness); (Doctrine of Christ, aka Doctrine of the Apostles)
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof comes envy, strife, railings, evil thoughts… Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Jesus didn't change "Abraham's Bosom" to "Limbo" because he uses both interchangeably. Nor is that Him lying...
Not everything Jesus did was written (Jn. 21:25), nor was everything He was going to say and do in the future written.
The Christian (Catholic) Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, officially declared and reaffirmed the Christian Canon, and thus are the reason you have a copy of The Bible.
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Big Boy Johnson
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Jesus does not call Abraham's bosom limbo.
Used frequently by fringe cult groups to add to God's Word things God did not say
Don't flatter yourself. Unto the Jews were committed the oracles of God - Romans 3:2
All biblical writers were Jewish except for Luke so not one catholic contributed anything to scripture.
Catholics were the one famously trying to PREVENT people from having a copy of the Bible.
And they MURDERED people for refusing to agreed with catholic false doctrine just like the reformers had people MURDERED for not agreeing with their false doctrine.
The reformers and the catholics are nothing but a demonic clown show that deceives people in to thinking they are right with the Lord when they actually are not due to following false doctrine.
Jesus didn't change "Abraham's Bosom" to "Limbo" because he uses both interchangeably. Nor is that Him lying...
I'm stating a fact that not everything Jesus did was written (Jn. 21:25), nor was everything He was going to say and do in the future written.
And, Jesus founded His Christian (Catholic) Church on the apostles who abandoned Him, one of whom, Peter, also denied Him three times, but Jesus made him the [visible] Head of His Church. So, don't act like Jesus's true Church will be made up of sinless people. Ok?
I didn't say that Christians (Catholics) wrote Scripture :facepalm:
Jews did and they were the first Christian (Catholic) converts. And, I said that the Christian (Catholic) Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, officially declared and reaffirmed the Christian Canon, and thus are the reason you have a copy of The Bible.
That's a historical fact.
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Hiddenthings
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So you’re relying on a parable where Jesus uses their false teaching to expose their error, to support your teaching? I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures. @Big Boy Johnson @Origen
Hiddenthings
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It is noteworthy that Luke 16:19-31 mentions neither heaven nor souls
Here what you should be saying "Lots of Christians including myself fall for this stuff though as they are gullible and easily deceived"
Talk about running away with your own preconceived notions!
Hiddenthings
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Yes, a breath given and a breath received.
So God gave you to you before you even existed? Now you’re claiming to be a preexistent god too?
The things people come up with in the name of Christianity.
A preexistent god? lol. Are you overthinking on purpose to create a "problem" where this is none? A soul is a spirit given to each of us by God and it resides within our physical body.
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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The evidence you're being asked to provide is a clear passage of Scripture that teaches the immortality of the soul. I can show you many verses stating that the soul dies, you only need to produce one that plainly says it is immortal.
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Hiddenthings
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@Origen
While you search for something that doesn’t exist, let me begin by presenting my evidence that shows man and woman are inherently mortal.
Man, Inherently Mortal
“Man is like to vanity; his days are a shadow.” — Psalm 144:4
“In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (See marginal reference) — Genesis 2:17
“Lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” — Genesis 3:22 This is a problem verse for you!
“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.” — Romans 5:12
“For as in Adam all die.” — 1 Corinthians 15:22
“What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death?” — Psalm 89:48
“Cease from man, whose breath is in his nostrils.” — Isaiah 2:22
“What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.” — James 4:14
“Shall mortal man be more just than God?” — Job 4:17
You have a number of major hurdles to climb over in that list of quotes and we haven't even started on the subject of the soul.
While you search for something that doesn’t exist, let me begin by presenting my evidence that shows man and woman are inherently mortal.
Man, Inherently Mortal
“Man is like to vanity; his days are a shadow.” — Psalm 144:4
“In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (See marginal reference) — Genesis 2:17
“Lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” — Genesis 3:22 This is a problem verse for you!
“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.” — Romans 5:12
“For as in Adam all die.” — 1 Corinthians 15:22
“What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death?” — Psalm 89:48
“Cease from man, whose breath is in his nostrils.” — Isaiah 2:22
“What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.” — James 4:14
“Shall mortal man be more just than God?” — Job 4:17
You have a number of major hurdles to climb over in that list of quotes and we haven't even started on the subject of the soul.
I have. Multiple times.
Did you know there's more one way to say something?
Again, a soul [spirit] can die a spiritual death, which means eternal life separated from God in Hell.
Again, Jesus said that spirits don't have flesh and bones (Lk. 24:39), and thus spirits are incorporeal, and thus spirits are immortal, which means "not subject to physical death".
pandaflower
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Fortunately,as with all Protestant faithful whom Catholics likely think are in error, God is the only true judge.
Countless souls,Protestant and Catholic, will appear before his throne when the time comes.
And then we shall learn his truth.
In the meanwhile, some occupy ourselves judging in God's stead here and now.
And as we judge so too shall we be judged. Part of that is ,we will answer for all of this.
What did Jesus say? Matthew 10.
Countless souls,Protestant and Catholic, will appear before his throne when the time comes.
And then we shall learn his truth.
In the meanwhile, some occupy ourselves judging in God's stead here and now.
And as we judge so too shall we be judged. Part of that is ,we will answer for all of this.
What did Jesus say? Matthew 10.
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