Jesus became Immortal

[Hiddenthings]

You keep repeating things the Bible already disproves. Jesus didn’t become the Author of life, He is the Author of life (Acts 3:15). He didn’t get immortality handed to Him, He already had life in Himself from the start (John 1:4, John 5:26). You’re not speaking truth, you’re twisting Scripture to tell your own story.

I’m not going to agree with something the Bible never says. You’ve got your prophecy and your opinions. I’ve got the full Word of God, and it clearly says Jesus is the eternal Son, the Alpha and Omega, the one who holds everything together (Colossians 1:17).

What you’re doing is exactly what Satan did, using verses to push a lie (Matthew 4:6). That’s not wisdom, that’s deception.

God’s Word doesn’t change to fit your beliefs. You either obey it, or you twist it. And you’re twisting it. Keep trying to change who Jesus is, and you’re not just wrong, you’re listening to the same voice that said, “Did God really say?”

You’re fighting against God’s truth.

These are simply the words of someone who recognizes the truth but is unwilling to let its light truly penetrate their mind. If only you truly knew the One who made the Alpha and the Omega-the First and the Last-then you would grasp the enormity of the battle and the depth of the praise due for the victory.

You know neither.

 

[marks]

Jesus’ FLESH, BLOOD, BODY…
Was “PREPARED”…. Not created…
Prepared FOR WHEN He would Come From Heaven TO THIS World…EARTH… so humans OF the Earth could SEE and Hear Him!

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Did Jesus… go to Temple? Yes.
Did Jesus… Bring an animal to Sacrifice? No
Did Jesus… Offer an animal For Sin Forgiveness? No.
IS Jesus’ body the Sacrifice God Prepared? Yes.
Is a sacrificed human body an acceptable offering to God, for / of another human? No.
Is human Blood acceptable to God, for an others Forgiveness of Sin? No.

These are simple to see, I wonder how they are not considered. When He comes into the world . . . he says . . . And there it is.

And of course, "the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.

And of course,

Philippians 2:7-11 KJV
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

These show Jesus' pre-existance.

This looks like another thread seeking to show Jesus as not being God Himself. And that's a shame!

Much love!

 

[marks]

These are simply the words of someone who recognizes the truth but is unwilling to let its light truly penetrate their mind. If only you truly knew the One who made the Alpha and the Omega-the First and the Last-then you would grasp the enormity of the battle and the depth of the praise due for the victory.

This is the greatest love story ever told, how our Creator Himself became one of us to rescue us back to Him, out of love for us.

Much love!

 

[PS95]

These are simple to see, I wonder how they are not considered. When He comes into the world . . . he says . . . And there it is.

And of course, "the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.

And of course,

Philippians 2:7-11 KJV
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

These show Jesus' pre-existance.

This looks like another thread seeking to show Jesus as not being God Himself. And that's a shame!

Much love!

It's a thing with Uni's. They have to deny preexistence to suit their heresy. They must lower the Son in order to save the Father from us horrid Christians.
There is no Satan in their world. That's child's play to them. Maybe meeting Job would help. There is no point in responding back to them after once, since they love to endlessly argue with their exceptional knowledge which they entice us hoping for the chance to spread their twisted platform. I won't give them a presence. They are attempting to overthrow the faith of many. Just as all of the cults do that are allowed here.
I will post a few verses in the hopes that maybe something will click one day, but off I go.

John 1:30
“This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ John 1:30

“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. John 3:13

For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. John 6:38

Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before? John 6:62

The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 1 Cor 15:47


Then He told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:23


Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5

John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” John 1:15

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Hebrews 1:1-2

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” John 16:28

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. John 8:42

Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God,
John 13:3

But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” Micah 5:2

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Col 1:15-17

And, You, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:” Heb 1:10

“Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” John 17:24

And now, O Father, glorify you me with thine own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.” John 17:5

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” John 1:1-3

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isa 9:6-7

For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand Acts 2:23

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

 

[pandaflower]

Hi @David Lamb

We are going to be looking at immortality and how Jesus was the first to receive this change of nature in himself.

We will consider these verses in their context to gain an understanding of why it was so necessary for the Christ to the first to be blessed with immortality.

In my second post we will look at Acts 2:28 in more detail.

Jesus Became Immortal:

"You have made known to me the paths of life." Acts 2:28

Though once subject to death, Jesus now lives forever, immortal, unchanged, and eternal.

Jesus laid down his life to take it up again:

"I lay down my life, that I may take it up again." John 10:17
"I am he who lives and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore." Revelation 1:18

Granted life in himself by the Father:

"For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself." John 5:26
"The life was made manifest, and we have seen it… the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us." 1 John 1:2

Now glorified—unchanging and eternal:

"You are the same, and your years have no end." Psalm 102:27
"From the womb of the morning, the dew of your youth will be yours." Psalm 110:3

What tradition do you follow? That teaches Jesus was human?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Jesus was human?

He was 100% God
He was 100% man

All at the same time.

 

[marks]

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

This is one of my favorite ones. "Before Abraham did exist, I exist." Jesus reveals here His eternal life, as He lives now before Abraham lived then. Love it!!

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

These are simple to see, I wonder how they are not considered. When He comes into the world . . . he says . . . And there it is.

And of course, "the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.

And of course,

Philippians 2:7-11 KJV
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

These show Jesus' pre-existance.

This looks like another thread seeking to show Jesus as not being God Himself. And that's a shame!

Much love!

Not God to Servant, but Son to Servant.

This is talking about Jesus foregoing his privileges as a Son, Marks.

Do you know Paul's taking these thoughts from Isaiahs Servant Prophecies right?

 

[Hiddenthings]

It's a thing with Uni's. They have to deny preexistence to suit their heresy. They must lower the Son in order to save the Father from us horrid Christians.
There is no Satan in their world. That's child's play to them. Maybe meeting Job would help. There is no point in responding back to them after once, since they love to endlessly argue with their exceptional knowledge which they entice us hoping for the chance to spread their twisted platform. I won't give them a presence. They are attempting to overthrow the faith of many. Just as all of the cults do that are allowed here.
I will post a few verses in the hopes that maybe something will click one day, but off I go.

John 1:30
“This is He on behalf of whom I said, ‘After me comes a Man who has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’ John 1:30

“No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man. John 3:13

For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. John 6:38

Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before? John 6:62

The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 1 Cor 15:47


Then He told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:23


Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5

John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’” John 1:15

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Has in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;” Hebrews 1:1-2

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.” John 16:28

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. John 8:42

You said Jesus did not become the author of Life, but the Word states he did.

Hebrews 5:9 “And (Jesus) being made perfect, he BECAME the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.

Out of interest, of all the references which support this truth which ones are you most concerned about?

Jesus being raised by the glory of his Father?
Jesus being made perfect and becoming the source of eternal life?
Or was it Psalm 21:4 which the Lord quotes in John 5?
Romans 1 the declaration of the Son of God with Power! (Power referring to his reward, Divine Nature)

And what of those six facts you are yet to deal with?

1. You can't provide one verse that teaches duality of natures.
2. You fail to acknowledge the words of David, Jesus and the Apostle Paul who all agree (yet you don't!)
3. You can't show a single verse that states Jesus raise himself from the dead!
4. You do not understand why Christ was raised BY the Glory of the Father
5. You don't understand how Christ became the Son of God with Power (glory) by the resurrection of the dead.
6. You now fail to understand how God "made" Jesus perfect, and he became the source of eternal life.

It was a good exchange one which I'm sure you will look back on once you realize you don't have the evidence for a pre-existent Christ.

If you have time, can you show from the Word how God made his Son perfect? What is the inference?

How did this process lead Jesus to salvation?

Lots for you to consider!

 

[Hiddenthings]

This is one of my favorite ones. "Before Abraham did exist, I exist." Jesus reveals here His eternal life, as He lives now before Abraham lived then. Love it!!

Much love!

Preeminence is the context not preexistence.

Abraham saw Jesus' day and was glad.

If you read that section clearly you will find the Jews made the same mistake as you which is an interesting observation in itself.

 

[marks]

This is talking about Jesus foregoing his privileges as a Son Marks.

This is about Jesus who "became obedient". So I ask you . . . if He "because obedient", that means before this He was either disobedient or sovereign. I'm thinking Jesus was not disobedient, and then became obedient, as that would mean He could not be our savior. What does that leave?

Jesus is Sovereign, and when He took on flesh, He took on all that went with it, including being obedient to the Father.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Preeminence is the context not preexistence.

Abraham saw Jesus' day and was glad.

If you read that section clearly you will find the Jews made the same mistake as you which is an interesting observation in itself.

Preeminence?

No, Jesus said, Before Abraham was, I am, that is, before Abraham did exist, I do exist. Either you believe it as written or you don't. I do.

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

This is about Jesus who "became obedient". So I ask you . . . if He "because obedient", that means before this He was either disobedient or sovereign.

No, it means that Jesus grew to know he was the Son of God but choose to become a servant. Not hard, Marks.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Preeminence?

No, Jesus said, Before Abraham was, I am, that is, before Abraham did exist, I do exist. Either you believe it as written or you don't. I do.

Much love!

Do you know what preeminence means? Can you show a Scriptural example?

 

[marks]

Do you know what preeminence means? Can you show a Scriptural example?

Well, yes, I do know. But you are deflecting from the point here. Jesus wasn't talking about that. He meant what He said.

Much love!

 

[marks]

No, it means that Jesus grew to know he was the Son of God but choose to become a servant. Not hard, Marks.

Jesus became obedient, meaning, He was something different before. No, this isn't hard.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

You would think in Acts 2:26 Peter would refer to an Immortal Spirit or even the Spirit itself but he doesn't.

He mentions his flesh.

Why so?

We know he will soon speak to the nature of Christ, in the grave, so clearly this flesh is an important teaching, right!

"Moreover also my flesh"

This refers to Jesus’ physical body, which prior to his resurrection still bore the mortal, sin-prone nature described in Hebrews 2:14. After his victory over sin, his flesh was cleansed of sin-nature, fulfilling what Paul explains in Romans 8:3: that God condemned sin in the flesh through His Son.

This transformation was anticipated long before, as seen in Job’s prophecy of bodily redemption: “...in my flesh I shall see God” (Job 19:26), pointing to the hope of resurrection and renewal.

After his resurrection, Jesus confirmed this change in his nature when he said to the disciples, “See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have” (Luke 24:39). This was no mere vision or ghost—his body was real, yet glorified.

I wonder if you @Origen truly understand the Gospel of God - the true Gospel!

This refers to Jesus’ physical body, which prior to his resurrection still bore the mortal, sin-prone nature described in Hebrews 2:14. After his victory over sin, his flesh was cleansed of sin-nature,

When did His flesh have a sin nature?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus became obedient, meaning, He was something different before. No, this isn't hard.

Much love!

Maybe check your logic on this. It simply means Jesus did not grasp at equality with his Father though being a Son and being sinless he chooses the life of servitude.

 

[Hiddenthings]

When did His flesh have a sin nature?

Good question.

If you read Romans 8:3, what was it that God condemned in Jesus's nature? how was sin represented for God to do this?

 

[Hiddenthings]

@David in NJ you will find a lot of points @bdavidc has failed to address in this thread. Some of which are rather startling.