From the pen of Ellen White

[Brakelite]

The rest the Lord gives under the New Covenant is far, far superior to the rest given under the old covenant.

They are not the same. One's spiritual, encompassing whole of life trust and reliance in God's love and His promises, being an everyday constant faithful dependance and belief through prayer, study, and daily death to self... while the other is physical and relational, keeping an appointment in real time and dedicating 24 hours solely to Him without distractions. Both are necessary.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

They are not the same.

I'll take rest in Christ over trying to rest under the law of Moses any day.

Rest found in Christ is superior is all ways to anything the old covenant ever provided.

 

[Brakelite]

None the less, they demonstrate that the Apostles were having meetings on Sunday.

Well, no they dont. You need to go over them again. And notice at the same time that the apostles were meeting every Sabbath with Jews in the synagogues and at the riverside or wherever people were gathered for prayer. Over 50 references to Sabbath meetings in Acts. 3 references that suggest a first day meeting. One because they were hiding from the Jews. One, a reference to setting aside food for famine affected believers in Jerusalem, (nothing about a meeting), and one more where they continued a Sabbath meeting after dark on Saturday night and this continuing their Sabbath meeting into the first day.

And so the SDA continue trying to live under the Law of Moses and are fallen from grace just like the Galatians.

Those Galatians who had fallen from grace, were trusting in their obedience and loyalty to the system of the OT gospel instituted by Moses. They believed they needed to do that in order to be saved. Thus they failed to fully recognise that Jesus was the fulfilment of the sanctuary laws that governed Jewish life. That didn't mean that Christians suddenly were free to murder, steal, commit adultery, worship idols, swear, abuse parents, lie, covet, fornicate, commit violence, slander, accuse falsely, and desecrate that which was holy, for example their own bodies, marriage, the Sabbath, the church, etc.

I'm not interested in falling from grace

Nor should you be. Oh. Remember what I said above... Accuse falsely. Lie. Slander. The new covenant doesn't allow for those things. You think sin doesn't cause anyone to fall from grace? The new covenant still has a death penalty remember. Roman's 6.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well, no they dont.

Sure they do.

The first day of the week is Sunday and if your claim is meeting on Saturday is required by the Lord then you are claiming the Apostles were not being led by the Holy Spirit and were living in sin.

the apostles were meeting every Sabbath with Jews in the synagogues

Early on they were trying to win the Jews to the Lord and were going to their meetings.

There's nothing in the New Covenant saying the Lord requires Christians to meet on Saturday

If there was you would post the passages saying this but you don't because they aren't there

Those Galatians who had fallen from grace, were trusting in their obedience and loyalty to the system of the OT gospel instituted by Moses.

That's what the SDA people are doing by claiming Christians are required to meet on Saturday and if they don't they go to hell.

Remember what I said above...

I don't pay attention to false doctrine much less remember it.

 

[quietthinker]

I'm waiting on you to show us in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles instructed anybody to keep Saturday sabbath

It's not there, and neither is there any mention of any penalty for those not keeping Saturday sabbath. Game over!

Better luck on the next topic bub!

I doubt that you are really interested in an answer. Even if it was given you, you would reject it. Sooooo, you are left answerless because of your own faux interest.

 

[Brakelite]

3 references that suggest a first day meeting. One because they were hiding from the Jews. One, a reference to setting aside food for famine affected believers in Jerusalem, (nothing about a meeting), and one more where they continued a Sabbath meeting after dark on Saturday night and this continuing their Sabbath meeting into the first day.

An entire doctrine of Sunday sacredness built on the shaky foundation of 3 verses that say nothing about Sunday sacredness, let alone meetings. But the majority insist on it...against the testimony of scripture that declares...“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. ”
Isaiah 8:20 KJV

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Sure they do.

The first day of the week is Sunday

That's what the SDA people are doing by claiming Christians are required to meet on Saturday and if they don't they go to hell.

Really? SDA teach people go to hell if they don't observe the Sabbath? The sad thing about that is you and likely those reading this actually believe it.

 

[rockytopva]

Along with this scripture I have no use for Ellen White...

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. - 1 Corinthians 14:34

 

[rockytopva]

Ellen White from their own web site... If I had a woman who looked like this telling me what to do I would be like... Run fer yer lives!

 

[Behold]

For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

You go ahead and enjoy the Tribulation.
Good luck with that.

As for me, im already made righteous........based on Jesus shedding His Blood for me, 2000 yrs ago.

 

[Brakelite]

It's constant isn't it. The harping ignorant vindictive slanderous lying regarding Ellen White. Lies like she taught a false gospel. Lies like she leads people to a false Christ. Lies like she exalts herself above the Bible.

Here are the words of a supposed false prophet leading people to hell...

What is the nature of the belief in Christ of which the gospel makes so much account, which is declared to be essential for the salvation of the soul? The whole science of salvation is contained in accepting Christ as a personal, sin-pardoning Saviour. He died for sinful, erring human beings. "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up. ... For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." [John 3:14, 16.]
"As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." [John 1:12-14.] This is the only true mind cure, the only thing that can save the perishing soul. Human beings, with all their defects, all their wilful stubbornness, may come to Christ in humility, contrition, and sincere repentance, and receive pardon. Christ will take away their sins and impute to them His righteousness. The Holy Spirit takes the things of Christ and presents them to the earnest suppliant, and the salvation of the soul is ensured.
"And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace." [Verse 16.] Looking upon Christ, John's countenance lighted up, and he cried, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." [Verse 29.] These are the words we are to speak to every sinner. Never are we to be beguiled by the sophistry of Satan to tempt any human being to depend on another human mind for healing. God alone is the One who can heal. Those whose minds and bodies are diseased are to behold Christ as the Restorer of mind and body. His assurance is so full: "I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me; because I live, ye shall live also." [ 16LtMs, Lt 148, 1901, par. 7 - 16LtMs, Lt 148, 1901, par. 9

 

[rockytopva]

Salvation is easy...
8 The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. - Romans 10

The two big deals (how hard is this?)...

1. Confess the Lord Jesus
2. Believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead

And... You are saved! We accept you as a Christian. From there we would encourage you to grow and to study the material you feel God has laid in your lap.

With this said I believe there are SDA Christians. My position is that I have no interests or recommendations from the pen of Miss Ellen White.

 

[doctrox]

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Why? Isn't the Ten Commandments in Exodus good enough for you that you need to be constantly reminded of them? Oooh... You do need to be reminded, because God said, Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. A declaration of holiness that has not been rescinded.

Obviously, they're not good enough for you, even as you struggle in self-inflicted bondage while trying not to break too many of them. Worse, your "constant reminder" bleat is "Oooh" such a sad and obvious deflection in this thread (and elsewhere).

Rather, "you do need to be reminded" to whom God was addressing when he said that. In case others need a reminder, God was speaking not to you or to me, but to the Hebrews - a specific people, localized at a specific place and time.

Forum-wise, I've been nearly everywhere you (and your sidekicks) have been and witnessed the same old lies being proffered by you. No amount of pseudo-civility excuses your dissimulations, pettifogging and sophistry. Methinks you would be satisfied with bewitching the masses, and move on to "greener" pastures. But hey, that Ellen White spirit is insatiable...

They are not the same. One's spiritual, encompassing whole of life trust and reliance in God's love and His promises, being an everyday constant faithful dependance and belief through prayer, study, and daily death to self... while the other is physical and relational, keeping an appointment in real time and dedicating 24 hours solely to Him without distractions. Both are necessary.

That is the kind of scriptureless blathering that exposes your charade. Just more self-sabotage.

It's constant isn't it. The harping ignorant vindictive slanderous lying regarding Ellen White. Lies like she taught a false gospel. Lies like she leads people to a false Christ. Lies like she exalts herself above the Bible.

Here are the words of a supposed false prophet leading people to hell...

"...they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." (Mat. 6:7)
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[Brakelite]

It's telling I think. Lots of insults and generalised criticism, but not one specific quote from any of the above to justify your angst.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I doubt that you are really interested in an answer. Even if it was given you, you would reject it. Sooooo, you are left answerless because of your own faux interest.

I already know the answer - Jesus and His Apostles NEVER instructed anybody to keep Saturday sabbath

That's the part that really irks the SDA folks, is they cannot prove their own pet doctrine from scripture

Really? SDA teach people go to hell if they don't observe the Sabbath? The sad thing about that is you and likely those reading this actually believe it.

I've spent time listening to some of their advocates and some of these folks actually do teach that salvation can only be obtained by agreeing with the SDA so called "church" which of course is one of the earmarks of a cult.

I know it's false doctrine to claim people not observing Saturday sabbath are going to hell seeing Jesus and His Apostles never taught anybody to observe Saturday sabbath, so no I don't believe that

If I had a woman who looked like this telling me what to do I would be like... Run fer yer lives!

The SDA men thinks she looked pretty good in a bikini!

 

[amigo de christo]

"But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.” 1 Samuel 16:7

Ellen White was injured badly when she was just a little child by a massive stone that was thrown into her face which deformed part of her face. God doesn't judge our appearance. He looks at the heart. She wasn't able to go to school even after her accident and this is what kept her heart pure.

That was ice cold what was said about her appearance .
However there is something you need to know .
Its not her physical appearance
but her spiritual appearance one ought to RUN and NEVER LOOK back .
ellen was not ugly at all . Not outwardly . So what if she was a bit deformed . Its evil to make fun of the physical
appearance of anyone . But friend YOU all been duped . I know you dont want to hear this .
Sorry for the word duped , how about deceived .
ITS BIBLE TIME FOR US ALL . And i mean that with all my heart , BIBLE TIME FOR US ALL .
Time to read it on our own and for ourselves without the influence of denominations .
YOU would be amazed at how soon things can clear up .
In the meantime I must warn everyone man woman and child of the ultimate deception of all
and how its gonna lead all to the day of their own destruction .
HAVE NO PART in this ecumincal cup . DO not even sniff it .
This interfaith finding common ground IS OF ANTI CHRIST , its of the bowels of the HARLOT
and i am telling us ITS TAKING all camps captive TO THE LIE . SO stay far away
from any church that is mainly focused on hollering love all day, unity , and lets set aside our differences
Find common ground , bridge builders , alpha courses . Breaking down walls , breaking down barriers
DONT COME AN YWHERE NEAR IT . IT WILL END YOU and all who sit under its so called love
so called solution for world peace n safety . ITS THE DEVIL friend . ITS THE DRAGON in wool .
AND HE HAS T AKEN CAPTIVE NOW almost the ENTIRE REALM of anything called christendom
to his seduction and its leading them to THE LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

I defended Ellen White. You're responding to the wrong person. I quoted someone else's mean remark about her. My response was in her defense because that person said he would run from her based on her appearance. So, I said they shouldn't judge her appearance. She was injured. The person who said that should have some empathy for her. That's what I said.

Just dont Ever once DEFEND her doctrine .
She messed it up real bad my friend .
But i am curious my friend .
HOW do you view rick warrens purpose driven life
How do you view seeker friendly
How do you view this ecuminical unity , lets set aside our differences and find common ground .
How do you view this ecumincal interfaith interreligious dialgoue .
THERE is a reason i ask this my friend .
AND its not to accuse , ITS ONLY TO HELP .

 

[amigo de christo]

O

Or were you actually responding to him and not me? I'm confused. Sorry.

i was agreeing with you about what he said about her appearance

 

[amigo de christo]

O

Or were you actually responding to him and not me? I'm confused. Sorry.

What do you think about ecumincalism .
THERE is a reason i ask this my friend

 

[amigo de christo]

If I understand the word, ecumincalism, correctly, I believe all people are loved the same no matter what they believe. No one is better than anyone else.

But the Bible says in Ephesians 4:4-16, "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ."

John 16:13 says, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth."

I believe there is one truth and that God's Holy Spirit will guide those who truly seek the truth into His one truth.

We been duped my friend . IF you have heard the word ecumincalism in your church
GET OUT .
we are all being decieved . THEY know how to make it sound good
and the longer one is under it the more junk they pump out to us .
ITS bad news .
I can already tell you dont understand this my friend . SO i am here to help us .
THEY pumped this out to us UNDER A GUISE my friend . ITS ALL been done under guise .
And you bet they KNOW how to make it seem good .
THEY are decieving us all . I HAVE SEEN and watched this movement for years .
ITS all bad news .

 

[amigo de christo]

If I understand the word, ecumincalism, correctly, I believe all people are loved the same no matter what they believe. No one is better than anyone else.

But the Bible says in Ephesians 4:4-16, "Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ."

John 16:13 says, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth."

I believe there is one truth and that God's Holy Spirit will guide those who truly seek the truth into His one truth.

What if i told you
that all false religoins BELIEVE NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST and that they MUST BELEIVE ON HIM .
Pretty sure that is obvious right .
BUT here is what is not obvious to this generation .
DID YOU KNOW that if one beleives NOT the TESTIMONY that GOD gave of HIS SON
THEY ARE CALLING GOD A LIAR .
But that aint what ecumincalsim interfaith says . IT TRIES TO IMPLY the false CHRIST DENYING
religoins are all serving the same GOD we do differently .
NO SIR . ITS ALL A LIE .
JESUS came to TESTIFY OF THE TRUTH . not broad roads and lies .
HE ALONE is the ONLY WAY TO GOD and ONE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM to be saved .
IF one beleives NOT , THEY CALL GOD A LIAR . A LIAR . YEAH THEY CALL GOD A LIAR .
we better watch out .