Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

[MatthewG]

Sure we do.
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New International Version
speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord,

New Living Translation
singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs among yourselves, and making music to the Lord in your hearts.

English Standard Version
addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,

Berean Standard Bible
Speak to one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your hearts to the Lord,

Berean Literal Bible
speaking to each other in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,

King James Bible
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

New King James Version
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,

New American Standard Bible
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord;

NASB 1995
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

NASB 1977
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

Legacy Standard Bible
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

Amplified Bible
Speak to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, [offering praise by] singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

Hey @ Behold,

Paul expressed a heartfelt desire to the believers in Philippi, writing: “And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment.” (Philippians 1:9)

I find great joy in singing to the Lord when I’m feeling well—it’s a deeply life-giving practice. For those who feel led to offer praise through song, I believe it can be a spiritually healthy and meaningful way to connect with the Father.

 

[MatthewG]

Asking Can you tell me some arguments concerning this bible verse? 1 John 2:2 Microsoft Copilot: Your AI companion

Certainly! 1 John 2:2 says:

“He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.”

This verse has sparked rich theological discussion, especially around the scope of Christ’s atonement. Here are some key arguments and interpretations:

️ Universal Atonement View​

• Christ died for all people, not just believers.
• “Whole world” is taken literally to mean all humanity.
• Supports the idea that salvation is available to everyone, though not all accept it.
• Often cited by Arminian theologians who emphasize free will and universal grace.

Limited Atonement View (Calvinist Perspective)​

• Argues that “whole world” refers to believers across all nations, not every individual.
• Christ’s atonement is effective only for the elect—those predestined to be saved.
• Suggests that “propitiation” implies actual satisfaction of God’s wrath, which wouldn’t apply to those who remain condemned2.

Contextual Interpretation of “World”​

• Some scholars note that John uses “world” in different ways throughout his writings.
  • Sometimes it refers to humanity broadly.
  • Other times it contrasts believers with unbelievers (e.g., 1 John 5:19).
• This view encourages careful reading of the surrounding verses to understand the intended meaning3.

️ Intercession and Propitiation Link​

• The verse connects Christ’s advocacy (v.1) with His sacrificial work.
• Some argue that if Christ intercedes only for believers, then His propitiation must also be limited to them.
• Others counter that His death was sufficient for all, but only applied to those who believe.

Philosophical and Pastoral Implications​

• Raises questions about God’s justice and mercy.
• Encourages believers to reflect on the depth of Christ’s sacrifice.
• Offers comfort that salvation is not restricted by ethnicity, geography, or background.

 

[Behold]

I find great joy in singing to the Lord when I’m feeling well—it’s a deeply life-giving practice. For those who feel led to offer praise through song, I believe it can be a spiritually healthy and meaningful way to connect with the Father.

We are created to Praise the Lord.

We sing to the Lord outloud and also in our own heart.
We shout
We play an instrument
WE stand silently and lift up holy hands.
We dance before the Lord

Its all good.

Praise the Lord !.
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New Living Translation
I will praise the LORD at all times. I will constantly speak his praises.

English Standard Version
I will bless the LORD at all times; his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

Berean Standard Bible
Of David, when he pretended to be insane before Abimelech, so that the king drove him away. I will bless the LORD at all times; His praise will always be on my lips.

King James Bible
A Psalm of David, when he changed his behaviour before Abimelech; who drove him away, and he departed. I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

New King James Version
A Psalm of David when he pretended madness before Abimelech, who drove him away, and he departed. I will bless the LORD at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

New American Standard Bible
A Psalm of David, when he pretended to be insane before Abimelech, who drove him away, and he departed. I will bless the LORD at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

NASB 1995
A Psalm of David when he feigned madness before Abimelech, who drove him away and he departed. I will bless the LORD at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

NASB 1977
I Will bless the LORD at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

Legacy Standard Bible
Of David. When he feigned madness before Abimelech, so that he drove him away and he departed. I will bless Yahweh at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

Amplified Bible
A Psalm of David; when he pretended to be insane before Abimelech, who drove him out, and he went away. I will bless the LORD at all times; His praise shall continually be in my mouth.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yes, but Paul wrote that he was filling up that which is behind of the sufferings of Christ

Curious what “that he was filling up that which is behind” says to you? What is “that which is behind”?

 

[Lizbeth]

Curious what “that he was filling up that which is behind” says to you? What is “that which is behind”?

I take it to mean that which is still needful to be done. "We will reign with Him if we also suffer with Him"

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I take it to mean that which is still needful to be done. "We will reign with Him if we also suffer with Him"

Maybe we see it the same? Yet I see it not as that which is still needful to be done but it stead, to fill up those hungry and who lack(the same knowledge you have of Christ). Those which are behind …for example when you run the race, see you run lawfully. That which was behind and has fallen by the wayside(help out of the ditch?), that which has withered(lacking water?), that which was devoured (as Christ saved Paul from the mouth of the Lion)….filling up that which is behind I see as1 Corinthians 12:20-25 But now are they many members, yet but one body. [21] And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. [22] Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: [23] And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. [24] For our comely parts have no need: but God has tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: [25] That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

 

[Lizbeth]

Here you go Lizbeth,


Some have suggested that advocating a reverent fear of the Lord and a deep engagement with scripture may indicate insecurity or an imbalanced relationship with God—prioritizing scripture over God Himself. This creates a false dichotomy and makes unwarranted assumptions.

In reality, scripture teaches that the fear of the Lord is foundational. The Lord instilled this in me early on, and ignoring His word led to lasting consequences. Many testimonies affirm that God's presence can bring awe so profound it shakes a person to their core. Scripture is described as living and active, essential to spiritual armor and understanding God’s ways.

To question the need for scripture today—as if it applied only to early believers—is to overlook its eternal relevance. Hosea warned that destruction comes from rejecting knowledge.

As Lizbeth rightly points out, Jesus is the Word made flesh, and our spiritual walk involves growing in His likeness, embracing suffering, and receiving discipline as an act of love. We are called not only to receive the milk of the Word but also to mature in faith, engaging deeply with scripture through the Spirit. The Word and the Spirit work together to give life, not condemnation.

This isn’t about judgment—it’s a heartfelt conversation seeking clarity, growth, and truth.


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Of course. Who here is saying or implying otherwise?

(I would prefer if you would please not process my posts through AI.....it gives me an eerie feeling and is not even rewording what I said correctly.)

 

[MatthewG]

Of course. Who here is saying or implying otherwise?

Don’t know. We on the same page then.

(I would prefer if you would please not process my posts through AI.....it gives me an eerie feeling and is not even rewording what I said correctly.)

I can do that. It does make mistakes.

 

[Lizbeth]

Maybe we see it the same? Yet I see it not as that which is still needful to be done but it stead, to fill up those hungry and who lack(the same knowledge you have of Christ). Those which are behind …for example when you run the race, see you run lawfully. That which was behind and has fallen by the wayside(help out of the ditch?), that which has withered(lacking water?), that which was devoured (as Christ saved Paul from the mouth of the Lion)….filling up that which is behind I see as1 Corinthians 12:20-25 But now are they many members, yet but one body. [21] And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. [22] Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: [23] And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. [24] For our comely parts have no need: but God has tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: [25] That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

I honestly don't know about all that sister....to me it just seems to be talking about suffering as a follower of Christ. "If you would be my disciple, deny yourself, take up your cross and follow me." Not that there was anything literally lacking in Christ's sufferings....I take it that "filling up that which is behind of the sufferings of Christ" is just a manner of speaking...a way of implying that it is necessary for us to endure some suffering too.

 

[marks]

Curious what “that he was filling up that which is behind” says to you? What is “that which is behind”?

"Completing what is lacking".

Acts 9:15-16 KJV
15) But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
16) For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake.

From Paul's conversion onward, he already knew the things he would suffer for Jesus' Name's sake. At this time in his life, he knew what was remaining for him.

Colossians 1:24-25 KJV
24) Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
25) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul knows what things he will suffer, and he welcomes the sufferings knowing that it will turn to salvation for others.

Much love!

 

[marks]

is just a manner of speaking...a way of implying

I never look at Scripture that way. I think it means exactly what it says, not some flowery speech to inspire us all with some feeling of purpose.

I've found this very thing is at the heart of nearly every single disagreement I have with others over the meaning of Scripture. This passage has a specific and exact meaning that fits with the rest of Scripture. I don't think it implies anything, it states something.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

@Lizbeth

I'm truly grateful that we're aligned in spirit, even if our interpretations of Scripture differ at times. It’s a blessing to be able to reference, read, and study the Word together—and to engage in meaningful dialogue that helps us better understand its message.

While Scripture itself is invaluable, it's the act of abiding in Jesus and allowing God's Spirit to work within our hearts that truly transforms lives. It's through Yeshua that righteousness is made possible, and by the Spirit, we bear fruit that uplifts and edifies—rather than condemns, shames, or rejects others unjustly.

Each person has the right to choose their own path. For those who open their hearts to God and embrace faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, that is a powerful and beautiful decision. And ultimately, who among us is in any position to judge? The grace and love of God are extended to all, and He alone sees the heart.

 

[Lizbeth]

Don’t know.

Well, for someone who doesn't know, you've been making a lot of insinuations and assumptions.

 

[MatthewG]

@Lizbeth

I'm truly grateful that we're aligned in spirit, even if our interpretations of Scripture differ at times. It’s a blessing to be able to reference, read, and study the Word together—and to engage in meaningful dialogue that helps us better understand its message.

While Scripture itself is invaluable, it's the act of abiding in Jesus and allowing God's Spirit to work within our hearts that truly transforms lives. It's through Yeshua that righteousness is made possible, and by the Spirit, we bear fruit that uplifts and edifies—rather than condemns, shames, or rejects others unjustly.

Each person has the right to choose their own path. For those who open their hearts to God and embrace faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, that is a powerful and beautiful decision. And ultimately, who among us is in any position to judge? The grace and love of God are extended to all, and He alone sees the heart.

1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

 

[Muna]

Sure we do.
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New International Version
speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord,

New Living Translation
singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs among yourselves, and making music to the Lord in your hearts.

English Standard Version
addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,

Berean Standard Bible
Speak to one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your hearts to the Lord,

Berean Literal Bible
speaking to each other in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,

King James Bible
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

New King James Version
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,

New American Standard Bible
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord;

NASB 1995
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

NASB 1977
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

Legacy Standard Bible
speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

Amplified Bible
Speak to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, [offering praise by] singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;

That is not at all what I meant, that is a part of worshipping God in those things but not worshipping the scripture.

He is speaking of worshipping the scripture and not worshipping God.

Think about ways we worship God, including the above.

We can read the scripture, we grow in our knowledge, we sing the psalms contained in them, we meditate on the things therein, we receive our correction, and reproof, these being for our instruction, and teach out of the same things etc. But these things come of our belief in God, and the love of His word in our hearts that we have by the Holy Spirit.

People make up things like this against those who love the words of God in an attempt to demonize others love for God and his words, by calling such a love for the same "bible worship", or "scripture worship", which tries to make God's words (which we are to abide in) an idol, which is actually calling good evil.

An idol, in a religious context, refers to anything that replaces God as the central focus of a person's life.

The reason is (in my view) is because they hate his words and want their words to be tended to take precedent over His and to be idolized.

Obviously, this does not include being pretentious or disobedient to His words for example in this situation

Ezek 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.

Ezek 33:32 And, lo, thou art unto them as a very lovely song of one that hath a pleasant voice, and can play well on an instrument: for they hear thy words, but they do them not.

But that is being a hearer only and not a doer, not being a worshipper of God or the scripture, just self deceived

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

 

[MatthewG]

Well, for someone who doesn't know, you've been making a lot of insinuations and assumptions.

If you would like you can clarify those things for me if you want to?

 

[amigo de christo]

Some people can have difficulty with the idea of God disciplining, especially if they have experienced harshness or abuse by authority figures growing up. Also if they were spoiled and don't know how to receive discipline as being an expression of love for their own good. But in either case it's our thinking that needs to change and be conformed to the truth.

I must simply keep it real and true my dear sister .
As i wrote afore and above
We have many among us who still love their sin
and they desire to hear from another jesus .
One that panders to their true hearts desire . Sin .
I have watched many on this very site sister
OH fast they are to condemn any and all who bring truth and THE REMINDER we need be in our bibles learning .
THEY holler love a lot , they holler judge not a lot
And they will gather with many unrepentant .
But let TRUTH be shined
amongst them , and they scatter to the victim and accusation card . cause they DARN SURE cannot bring
scriptures and truth by which to expose .

 

[amigo de christo]

I take it to mean that which is still needful to be done. "We will reign with Him if we also suffer with Him"

It tis time to ask the question that begs to be asked
and to bring the reminders of the simple truth in scrips .
And when you do be prepared to weep and to sorrow .
Many do as they do and ask as they do
NOT BECAUSE THEY DESIRE TO HEAR THE TRUTH
but rather to justify why it is THEY DO and BELIEVE as they do .
Lets make this real simple sister .
The true litmus test to see who loves WHO and what .
BRING THE SCRIPS , BRING HIS WORDS
And be prepared to weep as i have long wept .
THEY WILL TWIST THEM . the ones that get in the way of their true hearts desire
THEY WILL TWIST , OMIT THEM , USE greek , use whatever so called carnal knowledge they can
TO TRY and JUSTIFY ....................a lie .
I have asked some
i have brought some of the simpliest reminders at times
ONLY to see , hermes , greek , AI , whatever theology or etc
from them as to why this no longer applies , or etc .
You wanna know what this reminds me of sister .
Its the response of a rebellious child
that is simply trying to justify why he do , or did not do .
And now the common response from them is
You all worship a book , you all are legalistic , you all dont understand context
you all ................
BUT WHAT I SURE NOTICE THEY DONT BRING to justify themselves , IS THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE .
AND WHY ya think that is , cause SCRIPTURE WOULD EXPOSE THEM , NOT JUSTIFY THEM .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

She knows this my friend .
so lets ask a real simple question .
SEEING THAT CHRIST JESUS IS FOR US THE WISDOM OF GOD , OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS , OUR HOLINESS
our santification , our redemption .
WELL be better make darn sure ITS JESUS we loved and followed
because another jesus IS NONE OF THE ABOVE , cannot save.
Rather odd that many sure do not have this wisdom
but rather always make excuses and bring attacks against the few
WHO DO and have tried to get them back into the bible for themselves . Kinda odd , dont ya think .

 

[MatthewG]

She knows this my friend

Okay. I never doubted that she didn't know that. I thought we share scripture sometimes to bring people joy, remembrance. Right?