amigo de christo
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I have a real simple question mathew .
Do you beleive it is possible for a person
to believe in another jesus and actually despise the TRUE JESUS .
lets start with that . DO you think this is possible .
Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?
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Do you beleive it is possible for a person
to believe in another jesus and actually despise the TRUE JESUS .
lets start with that . DO you think this is possible .
I have a question for you.
What is the other Jesus person you continue to speak about.
Tell me more about him.
You know there are many Hispanics named Jesus.
A lot of people might not know this, but "Jesus" isn’t actually the original name of the Son of God—it’s a translation from the Hebrew name "Yeshua." That’s the name He would have been called by those who knew Him during His life on earth.
Yeshua was born to the virgin Mary, lived a life fully devoted to His Father, studied the scriptures, and walked with love, wisdom, and purpose. He gave Himself on the cross, was buried, and was raised again by the power of the Spirit of God.
Yeshua was born to the virgin Mary, lived a life fully devoted to His Father, studied the scriptures, and walked with love, wisdom, and purpose. He gave Himself on the cross, was buried, and was raised again by the power of the Spirit of God.
amigo de christo
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Theres too many to list .
but thanks for asking . HOW about this response .
ITS any jesus that contradicts HIS WORDS in that bible
any jesus that contradicts the words of scripture . HOWS THAT for another jesus .
For example we have the version of jesus that holds lgbtq rainbows . OOPSY that one aint JESUS
its the devil in cloak to serve the lustful hearts of men .
WE have THE big ol get that money prosperity jesus
OOOPSY that one AINT JESUS either . it feeds their lustful love for money .
Now
would you mind answering my first question .
DO you think its possible for a man to be serving another jesus and actually DESPISES THE TRUE JESUS .
There’s several ways to see it though. I remember when a guy use to come by and drop in to post on the board a couple of years ago. He would come rolling in, pick a fight telling everyone how slack and pathetic they are and then when others responded by getting offended… he would cry he was being “persecuted for Christ”.
if I take into account where Paul was speaking with the Corinthians who called him and those with Paul reprobates…as those who fail. Paul suffers their high mindedness…as a soldier of Christ endures hard (hearts) ground. because let’s be honest …they thought they were the ones Christ speaks in and not Paul and those with Paul. Paul suffers the humiliation for their sakes, that they should be made perfect and complete. Paul’s willing to be seen as reprobate(
2 Corinthians 6:7-13 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, [8] By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; [9] As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; [10] As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. [11] O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. [12] Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. [13] Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
… Paul basically saying when they see they(whom Christ speaks in) are not as those who fail…then your eyes will be open and you will see we are not reprobate.
We reduce suffering for His name sake unto something to explain when bad stuff happens. First, what is His name sake? I remember hearing that as a tyrant “honor My name” “Give Me My Namesake!” Isn’t it those people that Jesus Christ apprehended…that are His Name sake? For this cause that we may lay hold of that which we were laid hold of by Christ.
I’ve heard atheist say God is evil because He promises to give people as a possession to others. To apprehend. To posses. To inherit. To increase. To enter into…there is so much there. It isn’t about some mystical hope of glory of a crown to set at His feet. Paul spoke plainly “YOU are our crown of Glory.” If we miss its people as the objective …instead saying we suffer for what purpose? It always is for others to be made right and perfect and complete.
Suffering for what cause? Just because God loves to see us suffer?
amigo de christo
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anything sure does seem to be easily beleived by this generation .
But who and what DO YOU THINK
the true sheep are gonna heed . a jesus that twists things to pander to mans lustful heart
OR THE REAL JESUS
who came to set man FREE FROM SIN
WHO gives the sheep a NEW HEART that DO LOVE TRUTH .
IF we find it hard to beleive
that many can love another god another jesus
THEN GO back to the days of JESUS
and before . YOU SEE
how often the leaders and peoples in jersualem REJECTED THE PROPHETS
wanted nothing to do with the TRUTH
Nothing to do with the GOD of israel but rather wanted to hear THE SMOOTH THINGS .
And even paul and others
had to expose those who brought another jesus .
ONLY ITS FAR WORSE NOW . ITS far worse now . So rotted its become
that to find a man who stands firm for CHRIST , FOR THE TRUTH , its like
finding a needle , not in hay stack
but in a two thousand mile long field OF HAYSTACKS . its gotten so hard my friend .
The falling away is massive now
and worse they who are in it think ITS LOVE and OF GOD .
I told you what I think.
Anything in life is possible. From self-deception, to self-deprecation.
Hello VIJ,
Suffering is an essential aspect of the life devoted to Christ. While its expression may differ from person to person, each individual experiences their own journey through hardship, much like I recognize mine and you may recognize yours.
Does this suffering take place in the flesh? In the course of daily life? Perhaps it is both. Yet within that struggle, there is a deeper joy—one rooted in our relationship with God and Yeshua.
I firmly believe that suffering is an integral part of walking with Jesus. As the apostle Paul wrote in Philippians 3:10, "That I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death." To truly know Christ involves sharing in His sufferings, and becoming shaped by them.
In showing kindness, in practicing mercy—we reflect the heart of Yeshua. He endured rejection and abandonment; yet His love remained steadfast. What else did He suffer? It’s a question worth contemplating deeply, as it reveals more of His character and the path we’re invited to walk.
amigo de christo
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DO remember that same paul you are speaking about
SURE DID WARN big time against any sin and even warned them
what would occur unto those who repented not . I sure seem to notice that was HIGHLY Absent from you long speech .
Paul rebuked . HE did give the heads up , seeing HE desired them to repent BEFORE HE came .
But friend , that man rebuked very sharply and even delivered some over to satan
so as they would learn NOT to blaspheme .
Same paul hollered LET NOT INQUITY once be named .
Same paul when writing also to timothy , to titus
Sure did tell them what to do with those who sin .
I dont see any of this with your reminder . BE SURE TO INCLUDE IT NEXT TIME .
amigo de christo
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True this is .
SO now i have another real simple question .
Lets say we had us ten men in a room .
ALL claiming TO beleive on JESUS
and all
claiming to have a word from HIM .
And so they begin to speak their word .
but not only does that word of theirs contradict THE WORDS OF CHRIST
they even contradict each other .
HOW does one truly KNOW the JESUS THEY LOVE and EMBRACE and believe they hear from
IS THE REAL JESUS .
that is my simple question .
No worries , THERE IS A REAL simple answer for this question . real simple , so simple even a child can grasp this .
I don't care. It's not for me to judge them. All people are going to die one day and have their judgement before God.
Do you like to judge people and correct them? Are you a religious zealot or a person whom just desire to live in faith and love by the spirit?
You don't have to answer, I don't care what you answer is.
amigo de christo
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I didnt ask you to JUDGE anyone .
I just asked a simple question .
And as far as you question
DO i like to correct people . No , it brings me no joy to see anyone in error .
But it is darn sure necessary .
NOW if one repents , THAT DOES BRING ME JOY
But i had rather come and see EVERYONE just living for CHRIST , loving the truth .
To see the peoples walking in truth , NOW THAT BRINGS ME GREAT JOY .
but correction IS DIRE NECESSARY mathew .
My love for this people has me to correct those in error . I desire life and good for them
NOT destruction .
Hope that helps .
Okay. I don't care what people do with their lives. I just hope people seek out for the truth.
Yes Paul did warn them to
Matthew 5:43-48 KJV
You have heard that it has been said, You shall love your neighbour, and hate your enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. [46] For if you love them which love you, what reward have you? do not even the publicans the same? [47] And if you salute your brethren only, what do you more than others? do not even the publicans so? [48] Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
They are being warned that they are calling Paul and those with him reprobates, as those who fail. What should they be doing after reading the above?…since in their sight Paul is a reprobate? They are accusing their brothers in whom Christ speaks, so they are accusing Christ. Let’s not forget 1 Corinthians 8:11-12 And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died. [12] Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ.
Yes…Paul was warning them of sin. But I’m not sure it’s the same as you define sin. Instead it was on the other foot of those who said they know.
Behold
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All the Old Testament Saints loved the word of God.
Jesus loved the word of God, and He should, as He wrote it... The Word wrote the word.
Christians should love the Bible, as God and Jesus and Salvation, and Blessings and Wisdom and Truth and Light, are found there.
A "bible believing Christian" means that they understand the inestimable value of God's word, and seek it's revelation, and realize its authority.
When you find a "bible corrector" or someone who says.....>"well, there are errors in it"..then you've found someone whose God is their opinion.
You dont want that one as your pastor or teacher or Mod.
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amigo de christo
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Then where is the love of GOD in your heart .
People are in dire danger mathew .
Where is my love if i seen one in danger
and did nothing to try and pull them out of it .
The real reason that many dont care what people do with their lives
Is also because they dont want correction in their lives either .
Where is the love for a man who beleives his sin is fine with GOD
and yet we say nothing to such a man .
HERE is what that kind of love truly is my friend ...........
ITS HATE . not love .
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart
you shall in any way correct him and NOT allow sin upon him .
We warn because WE LOVE them and we desire GOOD FOR THEM
and want them to repent .
How does leaven grow mathew . IT grows within the church WHEN ITS NOT CORRECTED
but left alone . paul knew this .
Even a little leaven can leaven the whole lump .
Purge out that old leaven
IS it any wonder that paul also writes later
to another church and says THOUGH the more ABUNDANTELY I LOVE YOU
the less i be loved .
OR says this also , HAVE I become YOUR ENEMY because I TELL YOU the truth .
mathew, I AINT attacking you , I AM DOING ALL i can to help you and others when i do correct , when i do warn .
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