Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Christian Soldier]

Unconditional election (also called sovereign election[1] or unconditional grace) is a Calvinist doctrine relating to predestination that describes the actions and motives of God prior to his creation of the world, when he predestined some people to receive salvation, the elect, and the rest he left to continue in their sins and receive the just punishment, eternal damnation

This is what you have chosen to believe.

You can not know if you belong to the elect or to the dammed, it's God's sovereign choice, you can only hope.

And live in fear.

You are DEAD! wrong again. Reformed theology is Biblically sound and T.U.L.I.P confirms that we (the elect of God) are 100% sure that we are already saved and already possess eternal life.

Just google the meaning of the 5 points in TULIP and you will see that we (the elect of God) can never lose our salvation. Yes the Devil, and His Minions are out there trying everything they can to deceive God elect. But, thank God it's impossible to deceive us because we possess the truth already.

Fear of condemnation would be a grievous sin, for Gods elect. This is why we have no such fear, so your ignorance is exposed once again. You might want to check your facts, before you embarrass yourself

 

[Behold]

1.) """But Jesus, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins = forever, sat down on the right hand of God;"""

2.) "For God made Jesus who knew no sin to be sin for us..., that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."""

Jesus is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for sin.

 

[Scott Downey]

about eternal life and eternal death Jesus says many things, the one thing that stands out is eternal life for the sheep of Christ is eternal.

John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life

John 3
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.

Calvinist's believe in these things, It is stupid to say Calvinist's alone do not know if they are saved when so many other's here say the same things, that eternal life is not necessarily eternal, and salvation is losable,

 

[Taken]

That all sounds good in theory, but the awful truth is that * Verification for Gods Word is Scripture. comes down to possessing the correct interpretation of what Gods Word is actually saying.

No.
Scripture Verifies Gods Approved WORD of His “KNOWLEDGE”… which Reveals…
What “Behaviors / Acts of men God Approves and Disapproves and the Consequences thereof.

Understanding of the Knowledge IS NOT necessary to BELIEVE or Obey the Knowledge.

Understanding of Gods Knowledge (Word)…
Comes FROM the Lord God Himself to the deserving / believing / faithful individual.

And there in lies the problem, most of the 47,000 Denominations

Laughable, unverifiable claim.

have their own peculiar interpretation which is radically opposed to the others, while each claims to possess the correct interpretation, just as you're doing here.
So you hold to a radically different gospel to what my Church preaches.

No clue of “your church, your denomination”,
Or “your beliefs” or “why your belief applies to you”.

I'm sure you're familiar with some of those radically opposing theological views, but you come across as one who is not open to correction. That would be OK, if you possessed the correct theology but it's obvious to me that you're far from it.

Regarding a Christian Church;
My belief broadly IS… every organization claiming to be A Christian Church, was established “on the Foundation…THAT;
Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

A “presumed church” organization established Upon Anything else…would be suspect to me.

With-in Any bonafide ie. (Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God ) church;
Making their own “rules”, service days, times, dress codes, traditions, rituals, missionaries, revivals, business of record keeping and money collections and dispersing, additional to Scripture books/ pamphlets, decorations, programs, entertainment, court yards, structures for dinners, sports, babysitting, schooling, blah, blah ….
Vary extensively and have zero effect on me and my relationship with my Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I don't think the nature of the book matters. The important thing is what it represents, and the Lamb's book of life, represents those who are in Christ. Those whom God chose to save before He created the earth, so this presents a dilemma to those who hold Arminian gospel version.

If God chose everyone He purposed to save, before He created them, then it confirms the Bible doctrines of election, predestination and reprobation.
I take it you reject these Bible doctrines as they don't meet your expectations.

Why? why would you presume, what I have Not said?

Most professing Christians approach Bible study, with preconceived ideas and then they seek teachers to tickle their ears and tell them what they want to hear.
But a faithful follower, simply accepts everything on Gods terms and not their own.

I can’t say what most professing to BE Christian Do.
It “Appears”… the Majority of American People in general OWN a Bible… but Few actually Read it nor Study it.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

My apologies, that figure of 47,000 Denominations is like 6 months old so the new number is now 49,000 and growing fast so best you keep checking as the number is set to go up exponentially.
In 2025, there are predicted to be approximately 49,000 Christian denominations, according to the Lausanne Movement.

Where did you FIND and READ this supposed LIST of 47,000 or 49,000 denominations…
What is their denomination NAME and Mission Statement of BELIEF?

 

[Taken]

Again, you hold to a very strange and radically different gospel version to the one I find in the Bible.

Your opinion, accusation.

You claim that the Lord saves and rejects according to the evidence. But my Bible tells me that that's not the case at all and the truth is, the decision was made before the world was created.

A decision Based ON What?
Yes, I say Based ON Evidence God (all Knowing) Knew WHEN He created… and Entered their Name in “HIS Book of Life”, full well knowing WHOSE Name Would and Would NOT be blotted out.

Your gospel version is the man made "works based gospel" where those who do more good than evil are saved, just as Islam and many other religions teach.

Your Opinion and Accusation… where is your Proof of me making that Claim?

My Bible tells me that, Gods people are not saved by their good works, but they are saved by grace instead.

Gods Offering of Salvation, IS by, through, of Gods Grace.

Salvation received unto the individual, is by, through, of the individuals natural (spirit)…ie. Hearts True Belief.

Men “desiring” to receive Gods Offered Salvation, by, through, of Christ the Lord Jesus…
Do So, by their own, FREEWILL Effort, work, of Confessing to the Lord, their Natural spirits True Belief.
Christ Jesus will save their Soul Then.
They called “in Christ”
The Lord shall redeem, they He has soul saved:
Rapture.

Men “desiring” to receive Gods Offered Salvation (without confession)…Hope to Endure in Belief, to the last moment their body is Alive, THEN will God search their heart (for their natural spirits Belief).
Their Belief True? God will save their soul.
God shall redeem them:
First Resurrection.

I notice you have applied what appears to be a road map, which God is obliged to follow, in order to gain your approval for the way He does things.

No.
God Himself established His ORDER, His WAY…Scripture reveals the Knowledge thereof, to which I Trust is True.

Rom 8:
[24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

I do not Hope for the works the Lord has accomplished In me.
I do not Hope my soul will be saved, nor hope my spirit is quickened…
I wait patiently to SEE my new body.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Your opinion, accusation.

Very comical that when someone does not believe in the OSAS heresy it's considered an "accusation"

These OSAS folks sure are dainty and sensitive like a bunch of little girls. Ya'll be like the liberal's antifa

If they truly believed their own doctrine that wouldn't get so offended when someone disagrees with them.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Where did you FIND and READ this supposed LIST of 47,000 or 49,000 denominations…
What is their denomination NAME and Mission Statement of BELIEF?

al ya Götsta do it google it

47,000 And Growing​

According to the Center for Study of Global Christianity, in mid-2023 there are 47,300 Christian denominations/rites. By 2025, it is predicted that there will be 49,000; and in 2050, 64,000.

 

[Taken]

al ya Götsta do it google it

47,000 And Growing​

According to the Center for Study of Global Christianity, in mid-2023 there are 47,300 Christian denominations/rites. By 2025, it is predicted that there will be 49,000; and in 2050, 64,000.

Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Apostolic, Methodist and the List goes on…
Source Center for Study of Global Christianity

Yada, yada, how they gather info, data collected, guessworks as stats are all guessworks…

And where IS the Actual DATA Naming these supposed 46,000+ organizations and their statements of Belief?
Actual proof one could verify…conveniently missing!

Hope they are not Taxpayer funded.

 

[Christian Soldier]

1.) """But Jesus, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins = forever, sat down on the right hand of God;"""

2.) "For God made Jesus who knew no sin to be sin for us..., that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."""

Jesus is the one time Eternal Sacrifice for sin.

Those observations of yours are only half truths, why don't you proclaim the whole truth an nothing but the truth.

1.) """Who's sins did Jesus die for?????

2.) "who's sins did Jesus become sin for????

For who's sins is Jesus, the one time sacrifice for?????

You have left us in suspense.

 

[Christian Soldier]

No.
Scripture Verifies Gods Approved WORD of His “KNOWLEDGE”… which Reveals…
What “Behaviors / Acts of men God Approves and Disapproves and the Consequences thereof.

Understanding of the Knowledge IS NOT necessary to BELIEVE or Obey the Knowledge.

Understanding of Gods Knowledge (Word)…
Comes FROM the Lord God Himself to the deserving / believing / faithful individual.




Laughable, unverifiable claim.



No clue of “your church, your denomination”,
Or “your beliefs” or “why your belief applies to you”.



Regarding a Christian Church;
My belief broadly IS… every organization claiming to be A Christian Church, was established “on the Foundation…THAT;
Jesus IS the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

A “presumed church” organization established Upon Anything else…would be suspect to me.

With-in Any bonafide ie. (Jesus is the Christ the Son of the Living God ) church;
Making their own “rules”, service days, times, dress codes, traditions, rituals, missionaries, revivals, business of record keeping and money collections and dispersing, additional to Scripture books/ pamphlets, decorations, programs, entertainment, court yards, structures for dinners, sports, babysitting, schooling, blah, blah ….
Vary extensively and have zero effect on me and my relationship with my Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

I'm a member of the Body of Christ. His body is not divided into radically opposed Denominations, these are the result of men who rejected Christ and started their own religions.
They don't admit this, but it's obvious to those of us who are in Christ. We can't have any fellowship with them because they have invented another jesus, who is very different from the One we are in.

Don't automatically assume that "a church" claiming to be a Christian Church must be a true Christian Church. Christ warned, that many false prophets would come in His Name.

The Body of Christ, is an independent, Non Denominational Church. He is the One who established it and He will continue to build His Church, until every last one of Gods children are added to His Body. Then the end will come.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Where did you FIND and READ this supposed LIST of 47,000 or 49,000 denominations…
What is their denomination NAME and Mission Statement of BELIEF?

You can find it by utilising any good search engine. Google Search

 

[Christian Soldier]

Your opinion, accusation.



A decision Based ON What?
Yes, I say Based ON Evidence God (all Knowing) Knew WHEN He created… and Entered their Name in “HIS Book of Life”, full well knowing WHOSE Name Would and Would NOT be blotted out.




Your Opinion and Accusation… where is your Proof of me making that Claim?

My Bible tells me that, Gods people are not saved by their good works, but they are saved by grace instead.

Gods Offering of Salvation, IS by, through, of Gods Grace.

Salvation received unto the individual, is by, through, of the individuals natural (spirit)…ie. Hearts True Belief.

Men “desiring” to receive Gods Offered Salvation, by, through, of Christ the Lord Jesus…
Do So, by their own, FREEWILL Effort, work, of Confessing to the Lord, their Natural spirits True Belief.
Christ Jesus will save their Soul Then.
They called “in Christ”
The Lord shall redeem, they He has soul saved:
Rapture.

Men “desiring” to receive Gods Offered Salvation (without confession)…Hope to Endure in Belief, to the last moment their body is Alive, THEN will God search their heart (for their natural spirits Belief).
Their Belief True? God will save their soul.
God shall redeem them:
First Resurrection.



No.
God Himself established His ORDER, His WAY…Scripture reveals the Knowledge thereof, to which I Trust is True.

Rom 8:
[24] For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
[25] But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

I do not Hope for the works the Lord has accomplished In me.
I do not Hope my soul will be saved, nor hope my spirit is quickened…
I wait patiently to SEE my new body.

Your theology falls apart like a house of cards. Not a single bible verse supports your private view of the gospel. Your narrative is incoherent and inconsistent with scripture, it's also self defeating as it contradicts itself.

God doesn't need to look at any evidence to condemn someone, since everyone is born condemned, but He has chosen/elected some of us to salvation, before He created the earth. So your theology is dead wrong, because you fail to understand the fact that God is sovereign over all things including who is saved and who is left dead in their sin forever.

You invented a new false gospel, whereby Jesus offers salvation like a failed used car salesman who has a 99% fail rate. I can't imagine anything more pathetic than your Jesus, who can't even get 99% of the [population to accept eternal paradise for free, and hey chose to spend eternity screaming in the lake of fire. That's crazy gospel, you made up and I'm glad you're dead wrong

 

[Taken]

I'm a member of the Body of Christ.

Great! Hopefully you understand How that was possible and Effected.

His body is not divided into radically opposed Denominations, these are the result of men who rejected Christ and started their own religions.

His “prepared BODY “was/ is” Gods Offering for Believing / Agreeing men to become Sanctified NOW, by, through, of Christ.

Christ Jesus saves… True Confessed believers NOW!

God save who He Will…!!
Whom He will, is revealed in Scriptural Knowledge.

They don't admit this, but it's obvious to those of us who are in Christ. [/QUOTE]

Men, You ONLY know men by their works / behaviors.
You have NOT the Ability to Know another mans Heart (natural spirit) at any given moment…
THAT is exclusively known only to the individual AND God.
AND THAT becomes Paramount ( for Salvation ) for/ of every man (not in Christ) at the moment of his physical bodily death.

(The warning of ENDURING… belief at the end of a mans bodily life).

We can't have any fellowship with them because they have invented another jesus, who is very different from the One we are in.

You only have guesswork …
Brethren… Association Appears AS on same page…. So associate.

They who do Not Appear AS brethren, has no requirement to Associate, Tolerate, Support…
Yet does have the Teaching TO Love Them, Do Good toward Them, Be Just toward them…

Don't automatically assume that "a church" claiming to be a Christian Church must be a true Christian Church.

Well aware, nor have said Otherwise.

Christ warned, that many false prophets would come in His Name.

Sure / well aware.
However, I know NOT of 50 “denominations” or their Mission statement of Belief…let alone some supposed 46,000+ Unidentified, religious organizations and Beliefs that I would disagree with.

The Body of Christ, is an independent, Non Denominational Church.

I would not ADD Words of “non-denominational.”

Christs’ Church IS His, Period.
His Church Exists…
“WITH-IN” it’s members;
And it members;
“WITH-IN” Christ.

He is the One who established it and He will continue to build His Church

Agree.

until every last one of Gods children are added to His Body.

Disagree.
For 4,000 years Men lived, died, were Saved, Before Christ Jesus’ Prepared Body was sent to Earth.

In the ancient beginning, ISRAEL was Gods people.
In the Process, humans ( ISRAEL / Gentiles) are His children, His sons….
In the END ALL they WITH the Lord God…
Become HIS People.

Rev 21:
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Have basic agreement with you… some particulars regarding language, order, way, disagreement.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You can find it by utilising any good search engine. Google Search

No luck in finding…Named “denominations”, statement of belief, or number of members.

 

[Taken]

Your theology falls apart like a house of cards. Not a single bible verse supports your private view of the gospel. Your narrative is incoherent and inconsistent with scripture, it's also self defeating as it contradicts itself.

Your opinion, which has zero effect on me.

God doesn't need to look at any evidence to condemn someone, since everyone is born condemned, but He has chosen/elected some of us to salvation, before He created the earth. So your theology is dead wrong, because you fail to understand the fact that God is sovereign over all things including who is saved and who is left dead in their sin forever.

Your error, not mine.

A man is Wise and Nobel To SEARCH and Verify what he Hears.

God IS Wise, Nobel, Just… and SEARCHES, Looks, VERIFIES A Mans Belief, or Lack thereof…BEFORE giving or withholding Salvation.

Jer. 17:10
1Sam 16:7
1Cor 2:10
Rev 2:23

You invented a new false gospel, whereby Jesus offers salvation like a failed used car salesman who has a 99% fail rate.

Hogwash!

I can't imagine anything more pathetic than your Jesus, who can't even get 99% of the [population to accept eternal paradise for free,

Your error.
Your problem of Imagining, rather that hearing, reading, verifying,

Gods Offering IS Free. Costs you Nothing to hear.

Accepting His Offering Requires your Belief.
Accepting His Salvation Costs your bodily Life.

Freedom is not free. It costs Lives.
Salvation is NOT Free, it costs Your Bodily Life.

and hey chose to spend eternity screaming in the lake of fire.

LOL… human bodys, human souls, human spirits….to be thrown …IN the Lake of Fire ARE:
LIFE-LESS.

Seriously, what is your testimony to HAVE EVER SEEN, HEARD any thing, any Human without LIFE…. Screaming? LOL

That's crazy gospel, you made up and I'm glad you're dead wrong

My belief is Not made up or what you say for me.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

For who's sins is Jesus, the one time sacrifice for?????

For anybody that has ever committed sin

This doesn't mean they are automatically saved, but it does mean the Lord has bought salvation for every person.

Unless someone wants to claim to be calvinist, then in that case they falsely claim salvation is for them and it's God's will for everyone else to burn in hell which is of course doctrines of demons

 

[Christian Soldier]

Great! Hopefully you understand How that was possible and Effected.



His “prepared BODY “was/ is” Gods Offering for Believing / Agreeing men to become Sanctified NOW, by, through, of Christ.

Christ Jesus saves… True Confessed believers NOW!

God save who He Will…!!
Whom He will, is revealed in Scriptural Knowledge.

They don't admit this, but it's obvious to those of us who are in Christ.

Men, You ONLY know men by their works / behaviors.
You have NOT the Ability to Know another mans Heart (natural spirit) at any given moment…
THAT is exclusively known only to the individual AND God.
AND THAT becomes Paramount ( for Salvation ) for/ of every man (not in Christ) at the moment of his physical bodily death.

(The warning of ENDURING… belief at the end of a mans bodily life).



You only have guesswork …
Brethren… Association Appears AS on same page…. So associate.

They who do Not Appear AS brethren, has no requirement to Associate, Tolerate, Support…
Yet does have the Teaching TO Love Them, Do Good toward Them, Be Just toward them…




Well aware, nor have said Otherwise.



Sure / well aware.
However, I know NOT of 50 “denominations” or their Mission statement of Belief…let alone some supposed 46,000+ Unidentified, religious organizations and Beliefs that I would disagree with.



I would not ADD Words of “non-denominational.”

Christs’ Church IS His, Period.
His Church Exists…
“WITH-IN” it’s members;
And it members;
“WITH-IN” Christ.



Agree.



Disagree.
For 4,000 years Men lived, died, were Saved, Before Christ Jesus’ Prepared Body was sent to Earth.

In the ancient beginning, ISRAEL was Gods people.
In the Process, humans ( ISRAEL / Gentiles) are His children, His sons….
In the END ALL they WITH the Lord God…
Become HIS People.

Rev 21:
[3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Have basic agreement with you… some particulars regarding language, order, way, disagreement.

Glory to God,
Taken
[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what you mean by His body was offered for "Believing/Agreeing" people now. That's half true, because He atoned for all of those the Father chose before He created the world. Many of those He died for are currently unbelievers, they have not been regenerated yet, but God will regenerate and save them at His appointed time.

God doesn't save any believers, He regenerates, converts and saves unbelievers and everyone who has been saved or will be saved was born as a unbeliever. And if God doesn't save them, they remain unbelievers forever. So it has nothing to do with personal choice to believe but everything to do with God from the start to the end.

There is no warning about enduring to the end in the Bible, but there is an observation made by someone looking at the lives of professing believers. He descri9bes two types, one endures to the end and the other falls away. But there is no warning given, because Christ is the One who carries His people to the end and not their own determination and strength.

Every saved person who ever lived over the past 6000 years, was saved by placing their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. You seem to think that Jesus came onto the scene 2000m years ago, may I remind you that He never came onto the scene, because He has always been there in all of past eternity into all of the future eternity.,

The only difference between those of the OT and us, is they looked forward to His coming and we look back. They put their trust in Christs atoning work on the cross for their salvation, just as we do in the 21st century. It's always been the same Christ and same saviour.

Adam was the only one who was under the covenant of the law, the rest of humanity has been and continues to be under the covenant of grace.

 

[Christian Soldier]

No luck in finding…Named “denominations”, statement of belief, or number of members.

That's right, no website has the capacity to list all 49,000 Christian Denominations and their statement of faith. It would take weeks to read through it all.
List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia