rebuilder 454
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I think you have it backwards.
The eternal one, God, did not get his doctrine from Paul.
Paul got it from the guy "Jesus" that you say did not understand salvation.
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The eternal one, God, did not get his doctrine from Paul.
Paul got it from the guy "Jesus" that you say did not understand salvation.
rebuilder 454
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The Pauline Doctrine is so tedious because it is saying that God is not a God of purpose. God, just willy nilly ,came up with some Kingdom gospel that has no effect on the common man, but only the Pauline doctrine can decipher and separate it, so that they are the only ones with a pure Bible and the rest of us are just reading a bunch of "Kingdom non gospel non salvation nonsense," Unless it only comes from the man Paul.
The Holy Spirit was confused when he moved upon Peter, James, John and in Jesus, because they preached a destructive Kingdom gospel.
Just a horrible doctrine.
The Holy Spirit was confused when he moved upon Peter, James, John and in Jesus, because they preached a destructive Kingdom gospel.
Just a horrible doctrine.
Truly
This doesnt really pertain to the parable..
You cant be emptied of the Spirit as portrayed by running out of oil........the point of the parable was for Israel to be prepared for his coming
If this is your view, that the oil is the Spirit you can hold onto it
Truly
problem is the five foolish werent wicked............All ten were said to be likened to the kingdom. (Matthew 25:1)........the wicked arent in the kingdom
Truly
This is not about the Spirit but this is a good verse for application to the parable
Truly
If the oil is the Spirit, then being told to buy more of the Spirit goes against this verse rebuking buying the Spirit, doesnt it?
rebuilder 454
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If Jesus supply was diminished by the woman with the issue of blood, then all your challenges are moot.
It was Jesus himself that told the church " go and buy " ,something, in the 7 letters of rev.
Now what were Christians missing that they needed to get back?
Could it be the same thing Paul invoked over Timothy?
".... remember the deposit placed in you by eunice...."
That deposit was the Holy Spirit.
You honestly are not aware of the Holy Spirit operating in the believer....and that we can walk carnally or in the Spirit?
I was saved during that charismatic revival and received the baptism in the Holy Spirit a few months later.
I still remember it like yesterday.
When He came upon me, tongues poured out of me.
Nothing of this world is comparable.
That dynamic is what is being talked about in the Bible.
When John said "I was in the spirit on the Lord's day." Anyone that's had the baptism of the Holy Spirit knows exactly what John is talking about.
When Paul says "my spirit prays but my mind mind is unfruitful," we know exactly what Paul is talking about.
When Paul says"when I speak in tongues, I edify Myself", We know exactly what he is talking about.
the word of God authenticates the experience
Experience come before doctrine.
Nobody is taught salvation.
Salvation is meeting Jesus in total surrender.
Nobody is taught the baptism in the Holy Spirit, it is saught after and recieved.
Tons of scripture make no sense to the mental believer.
To those with the baptism in the Holy Ghost, the bible is alive.
Paul was a Holy Ghost baptised man, writing to Holy Spirit baptised believers.
Dive in and enjoy.
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rebuilder 454
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Then Jesus was way off in the seven letters of Rev.
The remedy He gave the lukewarm believers was to "buy".
And that purchase would increase them from warm to hot.
You don't see the consistency of scripture.?
Both believers in both instances have a remedy of "cold to hot"
Something is missing in both instances
Something gained in both instances.
In Neither instance can it possibly be salvation.
Oil as a type of the Holy Spirit needs to go away huh?
It will not. It is such a no brainer.
When Jesus said "you are a white washed wall", and when Jesus said, " you are a brood of vipers."
Those idioms had nothing to do with walls or vipers. It is clearly understood those are metaphors, and anybody can discern that.
You really think a parable is literal?
The analogy in a parable is a hidden message spiritually unpacked.
A parable is a story within a story that illustrates a point.
Quench G4570 regarding the Spirit in 1 Th 5:19 is shown as the same word out in respects to their lamps in Mat 25:8
1Th 5:19 Quench G4570 not the Spirit.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out G4570
It just shows the oil is for the light of the lamp to cause their their lamps to burn
Lev 24:2 Command the children of Israel, that they bring unto thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamps to burn continually.
As the spirit of man the lamp of the LORD and his word is a lamp to our feet
Oil for the light
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you
Lamps are gone out/or quenched)
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
A lamp can be put out in obscure darkness
| Prov 20:20 Whoso curseth his father or his mother, his lamp shall be put out in obscure darkness. |
These are just scriptures among many you can roll around to catch more in the picture
The kingdom of heaven is also likened unto a net gathering up into it every kind (both good and bad) until the time of severing the wicked from among the just.
The kingdom of heaven there would be likened to those ten divided into two groups, wise and foolish and the lamp of the foolish go out just even as the wicked lamp would be put out.
The forgiven servant who ended up becoming the wicked servant who did not His will (Mat 18:32)
Why did the wise virgins not give to them that asked them?
Afterall Jesus said,
Luke 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee
Since there is oil in the dwelling of the wise (Prov 21:20)
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil
And treasured to be desired ( 2 Cr 4:7) which is in their earthen vessels, which is the excellency of power
Acts 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
Simon being in the bond of iniquity, it also says,
1 Ti 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
Acts 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
You can buy without money or price
Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
I am just comparing the things I have compared between in various ways, I do that before I am settled on the matter.
Paul's gospel that Jesus died for sins is here
1Cr 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Cr 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Cr 15: 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures
1 Cr 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
He also wrote,
2 Cr 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2 Cr 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2 Cr 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Cr 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
1 Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Cr 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness
1 Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Just a few but Paul preaches the cross of Christ
Phil 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
Paul said himself, that he died daily, and told them to follow him as he follows Christ
Phil 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
rebuilder 454
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rebuilder 454
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Ok that's a good thing to do
If you think about it you really will see that the oil is just oil
I know there is a lot of people who say otherwise and also make everything about us the church in scripture
All of the parables that teach certain aspects of the earthly kingdom in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years
The parables arent about us but we can make some applications of knowledge from all scripture including the parables
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