Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

They make accusations against God's people and God's word. And then backtrack.

They also make false claims about scripture when posting to a member and later accuse that member of saying what they had posted.

Maybe it is more than one person sharing an account after all. And they don't know what the other one has said before going on their own posting jaunt.

no.. after you have been here awhile you will see they love to hand out in groups..

 

[pandaflower]

no.. after you have been here awhile you will see they love to hand out in groups..

That says a lot.

Thank you for the insight.

 

[pandaflower]

@Big Boy Johnson @ProDeo and @GodsGrace

He al;so instructed paul to write Romans 4. and eph 2, and titus 3:5 and John 3, 4, 5 and 6 (actually those where jesus words)

so why are you excited about james, and not the passaged, which using YOUR INTERPRETATION of james contradicts.

The people James spoke to

1. they were hears not doers
2. They had zero zip nada works (not even 1)
3. They claimed to have faith

does anyone believe they had real faith. let alone saving faith?

I know of no one who thinks they did.

so why were they not saved?

Because they had no (dead, or nonliving faith) or because they had no works?

Rather than hanging out in groups,what if instead it's one person with multiple names?

How can so many individuals use the same errant arguments?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Rather than hanging out in groups,what if instead it's one person with multiple names?

How can so many individuals use the same errant arguments?

been that way for along time.

 

[pandaflower]

been that way for along time.

That's a real shame.

His enemies are everywhere.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's a real shame.

His enemies are everywhere.

been there since Cain

 

[nedsk]

I do understand sufficient

Jesus

1. He who believes
2. Ask and I will give you living water
3. Believe the words I tell you
4. See and believe,


John
Recieve him,
You have eternal life. (not y9our trying to keep it)

Paul,
grace and works do not mix. if it is of grace it is no longer works
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but by his mercy he saved us


I can go on and on and on.

Salvation is a gift. paid in full by Christ on the cross. When you try to earn it. by your deeds. You reject grace

If you actually understood what sufficient means you would know faith alone is not sufficient for salvation just like Scripture says. Paul NEVER says faith alone. James clarifies faith includes work to be complete. If faith was sufficient it wouldn't need completion.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you actually understood what sufficient means you would know faith alone is not sufficient for salvation just like Scripture says. Paul NEVER says faith alone. James clarifies faith includes work to be complete. If faith was sufficient it wouldn't need completion.

lol ok let me give you a lession

what you say faith. not works

it literally means faith minus works

it literally means faith alone

will you listen? I can only pray you do not listen to me, but listen to paul

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS

these are just a few of pauls words.. Just one of them alone is sufficient to prove that our good deeds or works have no bearing on our salvation

 

[pandaflower]

lol ok let me give you a lession

what you say faith. not works

it literally means faith minus works

it literally means faith alone

will you listen? I can only pray you do not listen to me, but listen to paul

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS

these are just a few of pauls words.. Just one of them alone is sufficient to prove that our good deeds or works have no bearing on our salvation

Unless God changes their heart and mind,mind being first,they are unable to hear .

Paul said that too. As did Jesus before him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Unless God changes their heart and mind,mind being first,they are unable to hear .

Paul said that too. As did Jesus before him.

we should not give up on them.

Saul was there when they stoned Stephen.. There is always hope even for those drowning in religion as saul was

 

[pandaflower]

we should not give up on them.

Saul was there when they stoned Stephen.. There is always hope even for those drowning in religion as saul was

Only God changes them. Not us.

Meanwhile, the worst sort that enjoy wasting their limited time trolling us take up our precious time. And laugh.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Only God changes them. Not us.

Meanwhile, the worst sort that enjoy wasting their limited time trolling us take up our precious time. And laugh.

God can use us..

I am not trying to change anyone.. I do not have that power

 

[nedsk]

lol ok let me give you a lession

what you say faith. not works

it literally means faith minus works

it literally means faith alone

will you listen? I can only pray you do not listen to me, but listen to paul

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS

these are just a few of pauls words.. Just one of them alone is sufficient to prove that our good deeds or works have no bearing on our salvation

It's adorable to see you people spin out of control. Where does Paul say "faith alone"? Oh that's right he doesn't.

If "faith alone" was sufficient it wouldn't need completion. You can ignore it but it doesn't go anywhere. James tells us you are saved by works and not by faith alone. See the catch? Saved by works AND not by faith alone. You can scream you can cry but unless your faith is completed by works your like the fig tree not bearing fruit. Dead.

Salvation is a free gift. God has paid for your ticket to the movie. You didn't earn it but God offers it to you but you have to get to the theater. Theres a dress code at the theater though you have to have shoes and a shirt on, if you don't you won't get in. That doesnt diminish the free gift. Even if you get into the theater and you start acting like an idiot you'll be thrown out. That doesn't diminish the free gift.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's adorable to see you people spin out of control. Where does Paul say "faith alone"? Oh that's right he doesn't.

I did not spin anything bro. Your the one spining

If "faith alone" was sufficient it wouldn't need completion.

It is sufficient, like you said yourself. Does God need proof.

We need to have works for OUR OWN PROOF THAT WE ARE SAVED.

Not for evidence that God saved us

again, Abraham was saved before he did one work

You can ignore it but it doesn't go anywhere. James tells us you are saved by works and not by faith alone. See the catch? Saved by works AND not by faith alone. You can scream you can cry but unless your faith is completed by works your like the fig tree not bearing fruit. Dead.

lol. Your the one ignoring it. As usual. you did not respond to any of the verses I posted. your stuck on James.

Salvation is a free gift. God has paid for your ticket to the movie. You didn't earn it but God offers it to you but you have to get to the theater.

Yeah, I loke this.

But who gets me to the theater?

God does.

I can not take myself there..

Theres a dress code at the theater though you have to have shoes and a shirt on, if you don't you won't get in. That doesnt diminish the free gift. Even if you get into the theater and you start acting like an idiot you'll be thrown out. That doesn't diminish the free gift.

Ahh,, Go ahead and try to clean yourself up

God cleansed me and made me whiter than snow.

Remember Adam and eve, they put on fig leaves, trying to dress themselves. God said no. this animal must cover your sin.. He made them remove what they made, and put on what God provided for them.. through the sacrifice of the innocent animal

Thats the problem with legalism, it removes what Christ did

 

[GodsGrace]

@Big Boy Johnson @ProDeo and @GodsGrace

He al;so instructed paul to write Romans 4. and eph 2, and titus 3:5 and John 3, 4, 5 and 6 (actually those where jesus words)

so why are you excited about james, and not the passaged, which using YOUR INTERPRETATION of james contradicts.

The people James spoke to

1. they were hears not doers
2. They had zero zip nada works (not even 1)
3. They claimed to have faith

does anyone believe they had real faith. let alone saving faith?

I know of no one who thinks they did.

so why were they not saved?

Because they had no (dead, or nonliving faith) or because they had no works?

Because they had no works.
It matches up with John 15:2

Unfruitful branches IN CHRIST will be cut off and burned.

CUT OFF.....see verse 6.

On vacation in, maybe, my favorite place.
Can't write on this thing....a cell.

God bless you EG.
He sure made a beautiful earth for us!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Because they had no works.

Paul said no works are required you have them att odds

It matches up with John 15:2

Unfruitful branches IN CHRIST will be cut off and burned.

CUT OFF.....see verse 6.

On vacation in, maybe, my favorite place.
Can't write on this thing....a cell.

God bless you EG.
He sure made a beautiful earth for us!

This is fruit bearing and earning rewards.

Salvation can not be earned.

Yes he did amen To bad man has polluted it

 

[GodsGrace]

You too.

can you resolve the contradiction?

Paul said no works, period

James said works.

why do they appear to contradict?

I have resolved it brother.
Each of your favorite new list of verses has the word BELIEVE in it.

And there's the catch you won't accept.
Not going thru it AGAIN.

Spent an hour on the reply to you last time.

Jesus said faith can be temporary.
Luke 8:13
They believed FOR A WHILE.
And then they FELL AWAY.

You just won't accept it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul said no works are required you have them att odds

This is fruit bearing and earning rewards.

Salvation can not be earned.

Yes he did amen To bad man has polluted it

It's not polluted here!

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul said no works are required you have them att odds

This is fruit bearing and earning rewards.

Salvation can not be earned.

Yes he did amen To bad man has polluted it

But I agree that man has.

 

[nedsk]

I did not spin anything bro. Your the one spining

It is sufficient, like you said yourself. Does God need proof.

We need to have works for OUR OWN PROOF THAT WE ARE SAVED.

Not for evidence that God saved us

again, Abraham was saved before he did one work

lol. Your the one ignoring it. As usual. you did not respond to any of the verses I posted. your stuck on James.

Yeah, I loke this.

But who gets me to the theater?

God does.

I can not take myself there..

Ahh,, Go ahead and try to clean yourself up

God cleansed me and made me whiter than snow.

Remember Adam and eve, they put on fig leaves, trying to dress themselves. God said no. this animal must cover your sin.. He made them remove what they made, and put on what God provided for them.. through the sacrifice of the innocent animal

Thats the problem with legalism, it removes what Christ did

If faith alone was sufficient, what James worte is completely asinine. So you think James is asinine. Great

BTW I waiting for the verse where Paul says you are saved by "faith alone". Oh right he never does. He says faith saves but "completed" faith includes works just as James says. James ceases to be asinine in that case. LMBO you people are special