According to Dispensationalists, here’s a full list of all the antisemitic monsters, Nazis, and David Duke disciples…

[Reggie Belafonte]

are you denying all these jews were murdered?

why does there have to be a sacrifice?

what are you smoking?

Are you asleep at the wheel buddy ! wake up !

I am pointing to that their is more to it that the shalow nonsense that is dished up to people in fact !
Like do you know what a burnt offering is ? seriously you must not understand at all !

It's an outright insult to say that the 6 million Jews was a Holocaust in fact ! Such is totaly Satanic in fact and the thing is that if anyone were to claim such was a Burnt offering ! You are a Satanist ! your going to Hell in fact !

and I am pointing out that you all should repent of such !

Because if you claim it's a Holocaust ! that in fact means Burnt offering ! fools !

So if you were to offer up a Burnt offering ? who is it that you are offering it up to ?

Does Moses offer up Burnt offerings ?
Does Jesus offer up Burnt offerings ? No !!!

For Burnt offerings are to gods ? not God in fact ! So it's offering 6 million people to gods in fact ! get that ! to the gods = Idolitry !

Now who made the Sacrfice !
Now who claimes such was a Holocaust !

It was Genocide in fact of the Jews who did not fall into line with Hitler and his gods that they Idolised !

Now who controled Hitler ? who put him in Power ? Hitler had his Masters in fact, that were above him that he served, he was just a master propaganderist !
After one of his speeches he finnished turned around and was heard as what he said, by one near by ? he said, Them Idiots would believe anything that he said !
So his opinion of the Germans was that they were fools and morons in fact !

Now why do people claim that the Genocide ! was a burnt offering ? you must be thick not to understand the diffrence or it's just because of indoctrination that you can not see the trees for the Forest ?

Or because such as you have no real regard for them Jews who were totaly Set up truly at all in fact !
But I do ! because I am Jewish ! so I seek and you don't in fact ! because you are uneducated on the subject at hand, under delusions in fact ! as Jesus said of this world, That it is full of delusions and deceptions. I argree Jesus was totaly correct !

Now who do you serve ? Christ Jesus ! or other gods for your Idols ?

For if one says the 6 million Jews were offered up in a Burnt offering for Them ! you in fact Serve such idiot gods you are Idolising in fact, don't you ! am I wrong !
Or should I fall into line with the majority of simpletons who know bugger all, nor truly care less about the poor Jews who were offered up to Satanic gods that is Idolity ? like a Kike is seen in the Bible as a shining white washed tomb that people love to idolise, but when they touch the shining, their hand sinks in to deadmans bones and the stench ! It was a deception ! and you Idolised such ? so be carfull of such things because they may truly not be what you think such is.

All I see is ignorant people Dupes ! in regards the Genocide of the 6 million Jesus who were set up in fact ! Just as clearly as I can see most people are lost in this world, as Jesus said, for they follow Idols in fact !

Them Jews were a great threat to the ones, who had offered them up to their gods !

Do you know anything of the History of the Jews ? Some were like the ones who tryed to kill Holy Moses ? for they served Idols in fact !

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ohhhhh, the proof, that they're like Ash robots, totally brainwashed beyond the pale?

Right here..

From Jesus:

Matthew 21:43
“The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing its fruits.”
→ Jesus says the kingdom is taken from ethnic Israel and given to another people—not postponed, not paused.

John 5:46
“If you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me.”
→ Jesus declares He is the fulfillment of Moses—not future Zionism or third temple politics.

Luke 24:44
“Everything written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”
→ Jesus declares fulfillment now, not in a future millennium.

From Paul:

Romans 9:6
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.”
→ Paul redefines Israel around faith—not "ethnicity" or race.

Romans 2:28–29
“A Jew is not one outwardly... but inwardly. Circumcision is a matter of the heart.”
→ Destroys Zionist obsession with outward bloodlines.

Galatians 3:7
“Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham.”
→ Faith = heir. Not blood. Not birthright.

Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.”
→ Flattens the entire system of racial distinction.

Ephesians 2:14–15
“He has made both groups one... abolishing the law and its ordinances.”
→ Christ abolished the Jew/Gentile divide. No more dual-track covenant.

Philippians 3:3
“We are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus, and put no confidence in the flesh.”
→ Who is “Israel”? The Church.

1 Timothy 1:4
“...nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the stewardship from God that is by faith.” ➡ Paul directly warns against obsessing over bloodlines and ancestry—because it leads to speculation, deception, and garbage doctrine. Dispensationalism is built on the very thing Paul told Timothy to shut down, completely destroying the “chosen bloodline” elitist nonsense and heresy.

From Peter, John, and the New Covenant writers:

1 Peter 2:9–10
“You are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation... once you were not a people, but now you are God’s people.”
→ Applies Old Covenant Israel’s identity to the Church.

Hebrews 8:13
“In speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first one obsolete.”
→ The Old Covenant is done—not paused.

Hebrews 10:9
“He takes away the first in order to establish the second.”
→ Direct statement: the first covenant is gone.

Hebrews 11:10, 16
“They desired a better country, that is, a heavenly one... for He has prepared for them a city.”
→ Even Old Testament saints were not looking for earthly Zion.

From the Early Church Fathers:

Justin Martyr (Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 11)
“For the true spiritual Israel... are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ.”
→ Justin, 2nd century, calls the Church the true Israel.

Irenaeus (Against Heresies, Book 5, Ch. 32)
“Those who are saved... are those who follow the Word of God, not those who are of physical descent.”
→ Bloodlines don’t save. Christ does.

Tertullian (An Answer to the Jews, Ch. 10)
“The old law ceased when the new law began... the people of the Jews was rejected, and the Gentiles adopted.”
→ He saw it clearly: covenant transfer.

Cyprian of Carthage (Letters, 63:2)
“We Christians are the true people of God.”
→ Said with finality, 200 years before Rome twisted the gospel.
Jews & Gentiles who follow the King are saved.

Clement of Alexandria
“It is the Church which is the spiritual Israel.”
→ Another early testimony—Israel = the Church.

Origen (Homilies on Joshua)
“We are the Israel of God who walk in the spirit.”
→ Even Origen, for all his flaws, understood this essential truth.

Eusebius (Ecclesiastical History, Book 1)
“The promises made to Israel have found their fulfillment in the Christian Church.”
→ The early historians and theologians all agreed: no dual covenant.

Summary:

Dispensationalism requires:

A postponed kingdom
Two peoples of God
A return to shadows (temple, sacrifices)
A racial covenant apart from Christ

Every single one of those pillars is obliterated by the above 20 quotes. ^


You cannot believe the New Testament and still believe Scofield.
One is divine.
The other is programming like that of a Jim Jones' cult.
And both are completely incompatible.

I am still waiting for you to show all of us wen the covenant between God and abraham ceased.

What happened to Israel in the NT is what God promised would happen in Lev 26 if they turned from him.

But that never caused the Abrahamic covenant to stop. because God said after this, if they repent. He will remember the covenant.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I had lots of Catholic friends growing up.
Every once in a while, one would get out of line with me.
But, over all, I was respected by them as well as my respect for them.

I do not think what some here preach is Catholic doctrine.
Catholics do not know who Schofield even was.

It sounds more like Dominion theology.

And, that is why you see some mention being accused of following David Duke.
Because? Same hatred, just different brand.

Oh I agree.

But the catholic church teaches God is done with Israel and has replaced Israel with the church. and Christ will not restore them and rule for a 1000 years (he is ruling now)

others just took that belief with them, and added a scofield argument to their ploy.

its almost funny. When I actually studied what the argument was against Scofield. alot of them falsly accused him of saying he never said.. which just further proves the issue. is pride..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you asleep at the wheel buddy ! wake up !

I am pointing to that their is more to it that the shalow nonsense that is dished up to people in fact !
Like do you know what a burnt offering is ? seriously you must not understand at all !

It's an outright insult to say that the 6 million Jews was a Holocaust in fact ! Such is totaly Satanic in fact and the thing is that if anyone were to claim such was a Burnt offering ! You are a Satanist ! your going to Hell in fact !

not sure what a burnt offering has to do with Hitler sending thousands, mostly jews, to the gas chamber

and I am pointing out that you all should repent of such !

Because if you claim it's a Holocaust ! that in fact means Burnt offering ! fools !

So if you were to offer up a Burnt offering ? who is it that you are offering it up to ?

the word holocost means the destruction or slaughter on a large scale. especially by fire or nuclear.

Are you denying that thousands of jews were put into ovens and fried by fire or heat?

but it was not an offering. I am not sure where you get offering from..

Does Moses offer up Burnt offerings ?
Does Jesus offer up Burnt offerings ? No !!!

For Burnt offerings are to gods ? not God in fact ! So it's offering 6 million people to gods in fact ! get that ! to the gods = Idolitry !

Now who made the Sacrfice !
Now who claimes such was a Holocaust !

It was Genocide in fact of the Jews who did not fall into line with Hitler and his gods that they Idolised !

Now who controled Hitler ? who put him in Power ? Hitler had his Masters in fact, that were above him that he served, he was just a master propaganderist !
After one of his speeches he finnished turned around and was heard as what he said, by one near by ? he said, Them Idiots would believe anything that he said !
So his opinion of the Germans was that they were fools and morons in fact !

Now why do people claim that the Genocide ! was a burnt offering ? you must be thick not to understand the diffrence or it's just because of indoctrination that you can not see the trees for the Forest ?

Or because such as you have no real regard for them Jews who were totaly Set up truly at all in fact !
But I do ! because I am Jewish ! so I seek and you don't in fact ! because you are uneducated on the subject at hand, under delusions in fact ! as Jesus said of this world, That it is full of delusions and deceptions. I argree Jesus was totaly correct !

Now who do you serve ? Christ Jesus ! or other gods for your Idols ?

For if one says the 6 million Jews were offered up in a Burnt offering for Them ! you in fact Serve such idiot gods you are Idolising in fact, don't you ! am I wrong !
Or should I fall into line with the majority of simpletons who know bugger all, nor truly care less about the poor Jews who were offered up to Satanic gods that is Idolity ? like a Kike is seen in the Bible as a shining white washed tomb that people love to idolise, but when they touch the shining, their hand sinks in to deadmans bones and the stench ! It was a deception ! and you Idolised such ? so be carfull of such things because they may truly not be what you think such is.

All I see is ignorant people Dupes ! in regards the Genocide of the 6 million Jesus who were set up in fact ! Just as clearly as I can see most people are lost in this world, as Jesus said, for they follow Idols in fact !

Them Jews were a great threat to the ones, who had offered them up to their gods !

Do you know anything of the History of the Jews ? Some were like the ones who tryed to kill Holy Moses ? for they served Idols in fact !

again, you make no sense..

now sure why your trying to talk about burnt offerings.

what happened in WW2 was a mass slaughter, a holocost. of many peoples. Mostly Jewish,

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I am still waiting for you to show all of us wen the covenant between God and abraham ceased.

What happened to Israel in the NT is what God promised would happen in Lev 26 if they turned from him.

But that never caused the Abrahamic covenant to stop. because God said after this, if they repent. He will remember the covenant.

You asked when the covenant with Abraham “ceased”? It didn’t. It was fulfilled.
And that’s exactly what today’s evangelical dispensationalists refuse to accept, because their entire theology depends on pretending Calvary wasn’t enough.

Jesus didn’t cancel the covenant — He completed it. That’s why the New Testament writers declare over and over again:

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

And what was the promise to Abraham? Land? Circumcision? Ethnic legacy? No. That was just the wrapper. The real promise — the eternal one — was this:

“In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed.”
— Genesis 22:18

Paul explodes the mystery wide open:

“Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his seed... who is Christ.”
— Galatians 3:16

So when Christ came, He was the delivery of the promise.
The contract wasn’t voided — it was completed and signed in blood.

That’s why Jesus says from the Cross:

“It is finished.” — John 19:30

He didn’t say: “To be continued in 1948.”

Now let’s destroy the ridiculous fallback argument:

“But Leviticus 26 says God will remember His covenant if they repent!”

Yep. And what was Israel commanded to do when Messiah came?
Repent and believe the Gospel.
Did they?

“He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.”
— John 1:11

“You did not recognize the time of your visitation.”
— Luke 19:44

“Let His blood be on us and on our children!”
— Matthew 27:25

That’s what broke the old covenant.
Not Rome.
Not politics.
Not exile.

What does Paul say about unbelieving Jews who reject Christ?

“They are cut off.” — Romans 11:20

Not postponed, not paused.
Cut.
Off.

And don’t forget what God Himself said to Abraham:

“In Isaac your seed shall be called.” — Genesis 21:12

But Paul exposes this too:

“It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”
— Romans 9:8

So if you’re clinging to a bloodline instead of the Blood of Christ, you’ve missed the entire point of the Gospel.

Final warning from Paul:

“If you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no value to you.” — Galatians 5:2

Translation?
If you go back to the old covenant, you forfeit the new one.

You can’t have it both ways.

So when did the Abrahamic Covenant cease?

Never.
It didn’t cease.
It climaxed on Calvary.
And it lives on — not in race, but in resurrection.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

If you don’t — Jew or Gentile —
you are cut off.
End of story. Case closed.

The only people screaming “Replacement Theology!!!” are the ones who never believed Jesus replaced anything.

Because if you actually believed He fulfilled the Law, completed the covenant, and established the Kingdom —
you wouldn’t be clinging to a cancelled contract like it still holds divine authority.

You’d be worshipping the King — not His shadow.

Screaming “replacement” is just another way of admitting:
“I don’t believe Christ was enough.”

And if you don’t believe Christ was enough?

Forget the narrow road.
People screaming “Replacement Theology!” aren’t even on the wide one.
They’re on no road at all.
And their soul is in grave, eternal danger —
along with everyone they’re preaching to.

You can reject “Replacement Theology” all you want.
But if you reject Fulfillment Theology; you’re rejecting Christ Himself.
You’re denying that He fulfilled the Old Covenant,
and clinging to shadows He already shattered 2,025 years ago
when He said: “It is finished.”

If you’re still clinging to a promise outside of Christ,
you’re not standing on prophecy.
You’re standing on quicksand.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

If, after everything I’ve laid out over the last two pages, it still doesn’t sink in—
then you’re not just under the veil… you’re buried in it.
Possibly to the point of being completely irredeemable.

It’s like watching your son’s 9th grade JV football team get scheduled to play the reigning NFL champions —
and not only believing your son's team will win, but you're betting your house on it... and your eternal soul.

That’s the level of delusion we’re dealing with.

To still be shouting “Replacement Theology!” after this much scripture isn’t just bad theology —
it’s spiritual psychosis.

Jim Jones-level brainwashing.
Cult-tier denial.
Soul-endangering madness.

And let’s not forget —
not a single Christian on Earth believed this blasphemous, dispensationalist insanity before 1909.
Not Paul.
Not Peter.
Not John.
Not Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You asked when the covenant with Abraham “ceased”? It didn’t. It was fulfilled.
And that’s exactly what today’s evangelical dispensationalists refuse to accept, because their entire theology depends on pretending Calvary wasn’t enough.

how can an ETERNAL covenant be fulfilled if eternity has not yet been completed?

Gen 17: 17 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. 2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.” 3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying: 4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations. 5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

When did everlasting end?

Jesus didn’t cancel the covenant — He completed it. That’s why the New Testament writers declare over and over again:

no. He did not complete it. He did not complete the land, or the nation. He completed and fulfilled the mosaic. in which brings the abrahamic covenant to fruition even today. in you shall all nations be blessed.

is Jesus no longer saving people?

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

And what was the promise to Abraham? Land? Circumcision? Ethnic legacy? No. That was just the wrapper. The real promise — the eternal one — was this:

Lets see

Gen 12:
12 Now the Lord had said to Abram:

“Get out of your country, From your family And from your father’s house,
To a land that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you And make your name great; And you shall be a blessing. 3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

so here we have part of the promise. A land, and a nation. (as of yet unnamed)

continued.....

Gen 15:
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces. 18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying:
“To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Here we have the actual outline of the land that was promised to ABRAHAM

and finally gen 17

again, this is to abraham. an eternal covenant

6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in[f] which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

Notice also.

the land and national covenant had nothing to do with anyones salvation. and both were a non conditional covenant

the salvation aspect of the covenant, is also eternal.. but is seperate from the land covenant.

yet both are still in place.

“In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed.”
— Genesis 22:18

Paul explodes the mystery wide open:

“Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his seed... who is Christ.”
— Galatians 3:16

So when Christ came, He was the delivery of the promise.
The contract wasn’t voided — it was completed and signed in blood.

That’s why Jesus says from the Cross:

“It is finished.” — John 19:30

Yes. The part of the plan that said in you shall all nations be blessed. was signed by jesus blood.

But it is not finished. all nations ARE being blessed today, it is still ongoing, every day people get saved and through them the place they live is blessed.

He didn’t say: “To be continued in 1948.”

Um, That has nothing to do with the cross. that is a separate part of the covenant.

Now let’s destroy the ridiculous fallback argument:

“But Leviticus 26 says God will remember His covenant if they repent!”

Yep. And what was Israel commanded to do when Messiah came?
Repent and believe the Gospel.
Did they?

“He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.”
— John 1:11

“You did not recognize the time of your visitation.”
— Luke 19:44

“Let His blood be on us and on our children!”
— Matthew 27:25

That’s what broke the old covenant.
Not Rome.
Not politics.
Not exile.

What does Paul say about unbelieving Jews who reject Christ?

“They are cut off.” — Romans 11:20

Not postponed, not paused.
Cut.
Off.

And don’t forget what God Himself said to Abraham:

“In Isaac your seed shall be called.” — Genesis 21:12

But Paul exposes this too:

“It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”
— Romans 9:8

So if you’re clinging to a bloodline instead of the Blood of Christ, you’ve missed the entire point of the Gospel.

Final warning from Paul:

“If you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no value to you.” — Galatians 5:2

Translation?
If you go back to the old covenant, you forfeit the new one.

You can’t have it both ways.

So when did the Abrahamic Covenant cease?

Never.
It didn’t cease.
It climaxed on Calvary.
And it lives on — not in race, but in resurrection.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

If you don’t — Jew or Gentile —
you are cut off.
End of story. Case closed.

The only people screaming “Replacement Theology!!!” are the ones who never believed Jesus replaced anything.

Because if you actually believed He fulfilled the Law, completed the covenant, and established the Kingdom —
you wouldn’t be clinging to a cancelled contract like it still holds divine authority.

You’d be worshipping the King — not His shadow.

Screaming “replacement” is just another way of admitting:
“I don’t believe Christ was enough.”

And if you don’t believe Christ was enough?

Forget the narrow road.
People screaming “Replacement Theology!” aren’t even on the wide one.
They’re on no road at all.
And their soul is in grave, eternal danger —
along with everyone they’re preaching to.

You can reject “Replacement Theology” all you want.
But if you reject Fulfillment Theology; you’re rejecting Christ Himself.
You’re denying that He fulfilled the Old Covenant,
and clinging to shadows He already shattered 2,025 years ago
when He said: “It is finished.”

If you’re still clinging to a promise outside of Christ,
you’re not standing on prophecy.
You’re standing on quicksand.

alot of fluff here

Is Israel still around? Did God keep a remant?

thats means THEY CAN STILL REPENT.

Those in Jesus day suffered the final form of discipline when rome did what God said would happen.

The call to repent was AFTER God punished them..

Replacement theology is a sham,

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If, after everything I’ve laid out over the last two pages, it still doesn’t sink in—

what? A Lie propogated by a person who hates Israel and thinks God goes back on his promises?? that has sunk in, we know and have known for a long time the source of your anger.

then you’re not just under the veil… you’re buried in it.
Possibly to the point of being completely irredeemable.

It’s like watching your son’s 9th grade JV football team get scheduled to play the reigning NFL champions —
and not only believing your son's team will win, but you're betting your house on it... and your eternal soul.

That’s the level of delusion we’re dealing with.

To still be shouting “Replacement Theology!” after this much scripture isn’t just bad theology —
it’s spiritual psychosis.

Jim Jones-level brainwashing.
Cult-tier denial.
Soul-endangering madness.

And let’s not forget —
not a single Christian on Earth believed this blasphemous, dispensationalist insanity before 1909.
Not Paul.
Not Peter.
Not John.
Not Christ.

good God you have to ignore alot of OT prophecy. and even paul (romans 11) to say no one believed Israel would not be restored until some later day.

Your anger and your hatred is here for all to see.. Take a chill pill. and actually studyt the word.

The church did not replace israel. They church has always been the church from adam until today and forever more. it consists off all (jew or gentile) who have believed and have been saved since adam.

The land promise and national promise has nothign to do with salvation of any person. It was a gift From God to abraham, Isaac Jacob and his 12 sons.

As paul said, the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable

now here you are saying God revoked a gift he gave to 3 men..

 

[soberxp]

@The Gospel of Christ

@The Gospel of Christ
7:5
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


7:6 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

7:7 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

7:8 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

7:9 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

7:10 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

what? A Lie propogated by a person who hates Israel and thinks God goes back on his promises?? that has sunk in, we know and have known for a long time the source of your anger.



good God you have to ignore alot of OT prophecy. and even paul (romans 11) to say no one believed Israel would not be restored until some later day.

Your anger and your hatred is here for all to see.. Take a chill pill. and actually studyt the word.

The church did not replace israel. They church has always been the church from adam until today and forever more. it consists off all (jew or gentile) who have believed and have been saved since adam.

The land promise and national promise has nothign to do with salvation of any person. It was a gift From God to abraham, Isaac Jacob and his 12 sons.

As paul said, the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable

now here you are saying God revoked a gift he gave to 3 men..

You asked: "How can an eternal covenant be fulfilled if eternity has not yet been completed?"


Simple: because eternal in the Bible doesn’t always mean “endless future time” — it means divinely ordained, unbreakable in purpose, and fulfilled by the One who exists outside of time.


If you were a real scholar, you’d know that.
And that’s exactly why they had to smuggle the Scofield Bible from Hell into every US seminary from the 1910s through the 1960s —
so that young men would stop learning biblical theology and start obsessing over prophecy charts, red heifers, and geopolitical idol worship.

Fast forward 20 years — and now we’ve got entire pulpits screaming:

“ISRAEL isn’t you, grandpa!
Get that old-school covenant theology out of your head!
Israel is LAND now! It’s Rothschild-approved and UN-tank verified!”

“As a Christian, you’re NOTHING!
The ones in modern ‘Israel’ are ALL THAT MATTERS!
Praise JESUS!!!”


In other words... complete insanity.
Absolute, blasphemy.
The kind that would have enraged Paul, Peter, John, and every Church Father from Ignatius to the Puritans.
A complete inversion of Christianity that only the dark lord himself would've approved.

This isn’t theology.
It’s Zionist propaganda wrapped in a cross.
A gospel without Christ.
A covenant without blood.
A kingdom without a King.

That’s why your theology looks like it came from a CIA op and a Cracker Jack box —
not the Apostles.
Not the early Church.
And certainly not the Gospel.

Christ fulfilled the eternal covenant in time — at the Cross — and that fulfillment now carries forward into eternity through resurrection, not race.

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

You want land? Borders? A genetic dynasty?

Paul says that was the wrapper — the eternal promise was always Christ:

“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed… not ‘to seeds’ as of many, but to one… who is Christ.”
— Galatians 3:16

“But the land was eternal!”

And what did Christ do to the old land system?

“You will be left desolate.” — Matthew 23:38
“The Jerusalem below is in slavery.” — Galatians 4:25
“You have come to Mount Zion… the heavenly Jerusalem.” — Hebrews 12:22

The covenant doesn’t disappear — it ascends.

“Is Jesus no longer saving people?”

Yes — and it proves my point. The covenant is fulfilled and ongoing — in Christ, not in Canaan.

The “blessing to all nations” is salvation, and it’s not coming through land or genealogy — it’s coming through the Gospel.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
(And yes — a Jew wrote that. And yes — it applies to both Jew and Gentile alike. No exceptions. No dual covenant and no ethnic loopholes.)


“God gave the land to Abraham! The gift is irrevocable!”


Yes, and Paul interprets that verse in the very chapter you quoted (Romans 11).

Let’s read what Paul actually says:

“They were broken off because of unbelief… and God is able to graft them in again.” — Romans 11:20–23

That’s not a prophecy of 1948. That’s a call to repentance in Christ.

And the verse you’re twisting (“the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable”) doesn’t say the land will be returned to Christ-rejecting people. It means God will fulfill His promise — through Christ. Period.


“But Israel still exists! They can still repent!”

You’re confusing remnant theology (which is true) with Zionist nationalism (which is heresy).

Repentance brings you into Christ —
and once you're in Christ, you are no longer defined by the flesh.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

The Body of Christ is Israel — not dirt, not the old nation, but the fulfilled covenant.
A remnant from ethnic Israel can and does get grafted back in —
but only into the same tree, not a separate one.

“There is one body, and one Spirit… one hope… one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all.”
— Ephesians 4:4–6

Not two peoples.
Not two tracks.
Not two Israels.

Just Christ — and all who are in Him.


“The national covenant and land covenant are separate from salvation!”


No they’re not.
The entire point of the New Testament is that everything funnels into Christ:

“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek…” — Romans 10:12
“He has made the two groups one and destroyed the barrier…” — Ephesians 2:14
“We are the circumcision… and put no confidence in the flesh.” — Philippians 3:3

If your theology preserves a Jewish nation apart from Christ, you are preaching a second covenant — and Paul condemns that:

“If righteousness could be gained through the Law, Christ died for nothing.” — Galatians 2:21

And let’s not forget — God curses anyone who preaches a different gospel, even if it’s an angel:

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you,
let them be under God’s curse.” — Galatians 1:8

So if your gospel includes a national Israel getting a covenant bypass around Christ —
you’re not just wrong.

You’re cursed.

So good luck with that...

Not a single Church Father taught this Dispensationalist, soul endangering garbage.
Not Paul.
Not Peter.
Not John.
Not Christ.

Nobody in the Church believed in a future return to a Christless national Israel for nineteen centuries until Scofield and Oxford Press invented it in 1909.

What you’re defending isn’t prophecy.
It’s programming.

And in case you haven't' figured it out yet, the U.S. and Britain is ground zero for being deep under the veil... They're TEAM SATAN and it's unquestionable and beyond irrefutable in a court of law filled with Scholars. Oh you need proof? Just turn on Fox or open up today's NYT.. You're staring at it..

Christ is the inheritance.
His body is the only Israel God recognizes..
Not dirt.
Not Canaan.
Not a bloodline.
Not a flag.

And any gospel that points people around the Cross to reach back to Sinai —
is cursed and working for the Dragon. Full stop, and whether they know it or not.

They are deep under the veil and totally bewitched... Why do you think Jesus said the road is so narrow of who will actually get into heaven? Wake up.. -- "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” — Matthew 7:13–14 (NIV)

Yeah, only "few will find it" because 80% of the world now serves the Dark Lord.
And half of them don't even know it.

I don't think many of you realize the gravity of what's going on right now..

Of that, there can be no doubt.

But you will.
Soon.

Because we're already deep into Revelations..

 

[soberxp]

You asked: "How can an eternal covenant be fulfilled if eternity has not yet been completed?"


Simple: because eternal in the Bible doesn’t always mean “endless future time” — it means divinely ordained, unbreakable in purpose, and fulfilled by the One who exists outside of time.


If you were a real scholar, you’d know that.
And that’s exactly why they had to smuggle the Scofield Bible from Hell into every US seminary from the 1910s through the 1960s —
so that young men would stop learning biblical theology and start obsessing over prophecy charts, red heifers, and geopolitical idol worship.

Fast forward 20 years — and now we’ve got entire pulpits screaming:

“ISRAEL isn’t you, grandpa!
Get that old-school covenant theology out of your head!
Israel is LAND now! It’s Rothschild-approved and UN-tank verified!”

“As a Christian, you’re NOTHING!
The ones in modern ‘Israel’ are ALL THAT MATTERS!
Praise JESUS!!!”


In other words... complete insanity.
Absolute, blasphemously.
The kind that would have enraged Paul, Peter, John, and every Church Father from Ignatius to the Puritans.
A complete inversion of Christianity that only the dark lord himself would've approved.

This isn’t theology.
It’s Zionist propaganda wrapped in a cross.
A gospel without Christ.
A covenant without blood.
A kingdom without a King.

That’s why your theology looks like it came from a CIA op and a Cracker Jack box —
not the Apostles.
Not the early Church.
And certainly not the Gospel.

Christ fulfilled the eternal covenant in time — at the Cross — and that fulfillment now carries forward into eternity through resurrection, not race.

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

You want land? Borders? A genetic dynasty?

Paul says that was the wrapper — the eternal promise was always Christ:

“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed… not ‘to seeds’ as of many, but to one… who is Christ.”
— Galatians 3:16

“But the land was eternal!”

And what did Christ do to the old land system?

“You will be left desolate.” — Matthew 23:38
“The Jerusalem below is in slavery.” — Galatians 4:25
“You have come to Mount Zion… the heavenly Jerusalem.” — Hebrews 12:22

The covenant doesn’t disappear — it ascends.

“Is Jesus no longer saving people?”

Yes — and it proves my point. The covenant is fulfilled and ongoing — in Christ, not in Canaan.

The “blessing to all nations” is salvation, and it’s not coming through land or genealogy — it’s coming through the Gospel.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
(And yes — a Jew wrote that. And yes — it applies to both Jew and Gentile alike. No exceptions. No dual covenant and no ethnic loopholes.)


“God gave the land to Abraham! The gift is irrevocable!”


Yes, and Paul interprets that verse in the very chapter you quoted (Romans 11).

Let’s read what Paul actually says:

“They were broken off because of unbelief… and God is able to graft them in again.” — Romans 11:20–23

That’s not a prophecy of 1948. That’s a call to repentance in Christ.

And the verse you’re twisting (“the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable”) doesn’t say the land will be returned to Christ-rejecting people. It means God will fulfill His promise — through Christ. Period.


“But Israel still exists! They can still repent!”

You’re confusing remnant theology (which is true) with Zionist nationalism (which is heresy).

Repentance brings you into Christ —
and once you're in Christ, you are no longer defined by the flesh.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

The Body of Christ is Israel — not dirt, not the old nation, but the fulfilled covenant.
A remnant from ethnic Israel can and does get grafted back in —
but only into the same tree, not a separate one.

“There is one body, and one Spirit… one hope… one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all.”
— Ephesians 4:4–6

Not two peoples.
Not two tracks.
Not two Israels.

Just Christ — and all who are in Him.


“The national covenant and land covenant are separate from salvation!”


No they’re not.
The entire point of the New Testament is that everything funnels into Christ:

“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek…” — Romans 10:12
“He has made the two groups one and destroyed the barrier…” — Ephesians 2:14
“We are the circumcision… and put no confidence in the flesh.” — Philippians 3:3

If your theology preserves a Jewish nation apart from Christ, you are preaching a second covenant — and Paul condemns that:

“If righteousness could be gained through the Law, Christ died for nothing.” — Galatians 2:21

And let’s not forget — God curses anyone who preaches a different gospel, even if it’s an angel:

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you,
let them be under God’s curse.” — Galatians 1:8

So if your gospel includes a national Israel getting a covenant bypass around Christ —
you’re not just wrong.

You’re cursed.

So good luck with that...

Not a single Church Father taught this Dispensationalist, soul endangering garbage.
Not Paul.
Not Peter.
Not John.
Not Christ.

Nobody in the Church believed in a future return to a Christless national Israel for nineteen centuries until Scofield and Oxford Press invented it in 1909.

What you’re defending isn’t prophecy.
It’s programming.

And in case you haven't' figured it out yet, the U.S. and Britain is ground zero for being deep under the veil... They're TEAM SATAN and it's unquestionable and beyond irrefutable in a court of law filled with Scholars. Oh you need proof? Just turn on Fox or open up today's NYT.. You're staring at it..

@The Gospel of Christ
7:5
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You asked: "How can an eternal covenant be fulfilled if eternity has not yet been completed?"


Simple: because eternal in the Bible doesn’t always mean “endless future time” — it means divinely ordained, unbreakable in purpose, and fulfilled by the One who exists outside of time.


If you were a real scholar, you’d know that.
And that’s exactly why they had to smuggle the Scofield Bible from Hell into every US seminary from the 1910s through the 1960s —
so that young men would stop learning biblical theology and start obsessing over prophecy charts, red heifers, and geopolitical idol worship.

Fast forward 20 years — and now we’ve got entire pulpits screaming:

“ISRAEL isn’t you, grandpa!
Get that old-school covenant theology out of your head!
Israel is LAND now! It’s Rothschild-approved and UN-tank verified!”

“As a Christian, you’re NOTHING!
The ones in modern ‘Israel’ are ALL THAT MATTERS!
Praise JESUS!!!”


In other words... complete insanity.
Absolute, blasphemy.
The kind that would have enraged Paul, Peter, John, and every Church Father from Ignatius to the Puritans.
A complete inversion of Christianity that only the dark lord himself would've approved.

This isn’t theology.
It’s Zionist propaganda wrapped in a cross.
A gospel without Christ.
A covenant without blood.
A kingdom without a King.

That’s why your theology looks like it came from a CIA op and a Cracker Jack box —
not the Apostles.
Not the early Church.
And certainly not the Gospel.

Christ fulfilled the eternal covenant in time — at the Cross — and that fulfillment now carries forward into eternity through resurrection, not race.

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

You want land? Borders? A genetic dynasty?

Paul says that was the wrapper — the eternal promise was always Christ:

“Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed… not ‘to seeds’ as of many, but to one… who is Christ.”
— Galatians 3:16

“But the land was eternal!”

And what did Christ do to the old land system?

“You will be left desolate.” — Matthew 23:38
“The Jerusalem below is in slavery.” — Galatians 4:25
“You have come to Mount Zion… the heavenly Jerusalem.” — Hebrews 12:22

The covenant doesn’t disappear — it ascends.

“Is Jesus no longer saving people?”

Yes — and it proves my point. The covenant is fulfilled and ongoing — in Christ, not in Canaan.

The “blessing to all nations” is salvation, and it’s not coming through land or genealogy — it’s coming through the Gospel.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29
(And yes — a Jew wrote that. And yes — it applies to both Jew and Gentile alike. No exceptions. No dual covenant and no ethnic loopholes.)


“God gave the land to Abraham! The gift is irrevocable!”


Yes, and Paul interprets that verse in the very chapter you quoted (Romans 11).

Let’s read what Paul actually says:

“They were broken off because of unbelief… and God is able to graft them in again.” — Romans 11:20–23

That’s not a prophecy of 1948. That’s a call to repentance in Christ.

And the verse you’re twisting (“the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable”) doesn’t say the land will be returned to Christ-rejecting people. It means God will fulfill His promise — through Christ. Period.


“But Israel still exists! They can still repent!”

You’re confusing remnant theology (which is true) with Zionist nationalism (which is heresy).

Repentance brings you into Christ —
and once you're in Christ, you are no longer defined by the flesh.

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

The Body of Christ is Israel — not dirt, not the old nation, but the fulfilled covenant.
A remnant from ethnic Israel can and does get grafted back in —
but only into the same tree, not a separate one.

“There is one body, and one Spirit… one hope… one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all.”
— Ephesians 4:4–6

Not two peoples.
Not two tracks.
Not two Israels.

Just Christ — and all who are in Him.


“The national covenant and land covenant are separate from salvation!”


No they’re not.
The entire point of the New Testament is that everything funnels into Christ:

“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek…” — Romans 10:12
“He has made the two groups one and destroyed the barrier…” — Ephesians 2:14
“We are the circumcision… and put no confidence in the flesh.” — Philippians 3:3

If your theology preserves a Jewish nation apart from Christ, you are preaching a second covenant — and Paul condemns that:

“If righteousness could be gained through the Law, Christ died for nothing.” — Galatians 2:21

And let’s not forget — God curses anyone who preaches a different gospel, even if it’s an angel:

“But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you,
let them be under God’s curse.” — Galatians 1:8

So if your gospel includes a national Israel getting a covenant bypass around Christ —
you’re not just wrong.

You’re cursed.

So good luck with that...

Not a single Church Father taught this Dispensationalist, soul endangering garbage.
Not Paul.
Not Peter.
Not John.
Not Christ.

Nobody in the Church believed in a future return to a Christless national Israel for nineteen centuries until Scofield and Oxford Press invented it in 1909.

What you’re defending isn’t prophecy.
It’s programming.

And in case you haven't' figured it out yet, the U.S. and Britain is ground zero for being deep under the veil... They're TEAM SATAN and it's unquestionable and beyond irrefutable in a court of law filled with Scholars. Oh you need proof? Just turn on Fox or open up today's NYT.. You're staring at it..

Christ is the inheritance.
His body is the only Israel God recognizes..
Not dirt.
Not Canaan.
Not a bloodline.
Not a flag.

And any gospel that points people around the Cross to reach back to Sinai —
is cursed and working for the Dragon. Full stop, and whether they know it or not.

1. He said as an everlsasting covenant throughout ALL your generations.
2. He said even after they are punished and taken out of the land. because of their sin (which happened three times 1, Assyria, 2, Babylon, 3 Rome in 70AD) this if they repent and confess not onlyu their sins, but the sins of their fathers.. God will remember his promise to abraham, To Isaac and to Jacob.. and he will remember the land
3. When prophecy after prophecy states that these people. who were divided will be brought together again, Put back in their land. And Jesus himself will come and sit on davids throne.

well then, everything you said is meaningless.

Again, this has nothign to do with anyones salvation. No jew was saved because of the land or nation promise. they were saved because they had faith like abraham, the same way we are saved.

so your barking up the wrong tree

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@The Gospel of Christ
7:5
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

what is this in reference too? Not sure what you mean

 

[soberxp]

what is this in reference too? Not sure what you mean

"I enjoy playing the enigmatic riddler among pigs and dogs."

666

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

1. He said as an everlsasting covenant throughout ALL your generations.
2. He said even after they are punished and taken out of the land. because of their sin (which happened three times 1, Assyria, 2, Babylon, 3 Rome in 70AD) this if they repent and confess not onlyu their sins, but the sins of their fathers.. God will remember his promise to abraham, To Isaac and to Jacob.. and he will remember the land
3. When prophecy after prophecy states that these people. who were divided will be brought together again, Put back in their land. And Jesus himself will come and sit on davids throne.

well then, everything you said is meaningless.

Again, this has nothign to do with anyones salvation. No jew was saved because of the land or nation promise. they were saved because they had faith like abraham, the same way we are saved.

so your barking up the wrong tree

You’re trying to slice up God’s covenant like a deli tray — “this part is about salvation, this part is about land, this part is about Jesus later", but that’s not how covenants work, and it’s not how the New Testament treats the Old.

1. “The covenant was everlasting throughout all generations.”

Yes — and Christ fulfilled it.

“Eternal” in Hebrew (olam) doesn’t always mean “endless time” — it means set apart by God, unchangeable in purpose, and completed by the One who exists outside of time. And that purpose — always and forever — was Christ.

“All the promises of God (including every covenant made with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and David) find their YES in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20 (Period. The end. Nothing else even needs to be discussed... but let’s continue.)

“The Law was our tutor to lead us to Christ.” — Galatians 3:24
“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed… who is Christ.” — Galatians 3:16

So no — “eternal” doesn’t mean we’re still waiting.
It means the wait is over.
The fulfillment came, bled, rose and reigns.
Now.

You’re treating “eternal” like it means forever postponed — (thats a Scofield trick)
but Paul says it means fulfilled in Christ.

That’s the problem.
You’ve swallowed the Scofield script from the pit —
and now you’re trying to decode prophecy using a Zionist decoder ring instead of the Cross.


2. “God said if they repent, He’ll remember the land.”

Yes — and what did Jesus tell national Israel when He showed up in person?

“O Jerusalem... behold, your house is left to you desolate.” — Matthew 23:38
“The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruit.” — Matthew 21:43
“The Jerusalem below is in slavery... but the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.” — Galatians 4:25–26

That’s not a future promise of land restoration — that’s a present judgment and elevation of something far greater: a heavenly kingdom not of this world (John 18:36).

The “land” was a shadow.

The fulfillment is Christ and His body. True Israel -
and the only one the Father recognizes.

3. “Jesus will come and sit on David’s throne in the land.”

He already is.
“God has raised up Jesus to sit on David’s throne.” — Acts 2:30
“He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet.” — 1 Corinthians 15:25
“My kingdom is not of this world.” — John 18:36

David’s throne is not a lawn chair in Jerusalem.
It’s the throne of heaven — and Jesus is reigning right now.


4. “It has nothing to do with salvation.”

Wrong. If you say there’s another covenant still in play — one based on land, bloodline, or borders — then you’ve created a dual-track gospel, and Paul condemns that completely:

“There is no longer Jew or Gentile... for all are one in Christ.” — Galatians 3:28
“He has made the two groups one and destroyed the barrier.” — Ephesians 2:14
“If righteousness could be gained through the Law, Christ died for nothing.” — Galatians 2:21
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

No exceptions.
No ethnic loopholes.
No “Israel gets a backdoor.”

That's all Scofield sorcery written into the footnotes from Hell.

This is the bottom line....
The land covenant, the nation covenant, and the promise to Abraham are all, fulfilled in Christ.

They are not ongoing side quests for a separate group of people who rejected the Messiah.

“The inheritance is not based on the Law… but on the promise by faith in Jesus Christ.” — Galatians 3:18–22

Modern Dispensationalism.. with its red heifers, tank-washed borders, and Christless nationalism is not Christianity.

It’s idolatry dressed up in prophecy charts.

So no, I’m not “barking up the wrong tree.”
I’m defending the tree of life — the one grafted by the blood of Christ, not the UN borders of 1948, or a Rothschild land deed.

You’re the one still trying to pitch a tent at Sinai,
while the rest of us are already at Zion.

“You have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem…” — Hebrews 12:22

The veil tore, but you keep stitching it back together with Zionist thread.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

And its not just all the Scripture posted up above in all those comments ^ ...

Everyone immediately after continued to spread the Word..

1. Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD)
Second Apology; Dialogue with Trypho, ch. 11, 123:

"For the true spiritual Israel, and descendants of Judah, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham… are we who have been led to God through this crucified Christ." Justin Martyr was a Gentile convert who debated Jews and philosophers. He makes it crystal clear — the Church is the fulfillment of Israel, not the continuation of ethnic lineage.

2. Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130–202 AD)
Against Heresies, Book IV, Chapter 21:
"Those who boast themselves as being the house of Jacob and the people of Israel are disinherited from the grace of God… But the called from among the Gentiles have been made heirs of the covenant." Irenaeus was a student of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John the Apostle. That’s one generation from Christ. He says plainly: ethnic Israel has been disinherited — and the Church now inherits the covenant.

3. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 AD)
Treatise XII, Testimonies Against the Jews, Book I:
"The Jews, according to the flesh, were cast off… and we Christians are counted as the true Israel of God."
Cyprian didn’t see “two tracks” or “dual covenants.” He saw what Paul wrote in Galatians 3 and 6. The Church is the Israel of God. Jew and Gentiles who follow Christ the King, are his body.. The only Israel God recognizes.

No dual inheritance heresy.
No prophetic detour.
Just one body, one Spirit, one faith, one baptism — in Christ.

4. Tertullian (c. 155–240 AD)
An Answer to the Jews, Chapter 1:
"The old law ceased with John the Baptist, and the promise of the New Testament was thereafter given to the nations — to the Church, which is the true heir of the divine promises." Tertullian flatly declares the Church, not ethnic Israel, as the heir. No ambiguity. No political compromise. Just apostolic clarity.

5. Augustine of Hippo (354–430 AD)
Tractates on the Gospel of John, Tractate 9:

"The house of Israel are they who belong to the vision of peace, who are the children of the eternal Jerusalem… not those who bear the name of Israel in the flesh, but those who follow after the spirit of adoption." Augustine saw through the illusion of national identity. The true Israel, he says, are the children of the heavenly Jerusalem — the Church. Followers of the King, be they Jew or Gentile.

These weren’t fringe voices.
They were bishops, apologists, and defenders of the faith, many of whom died for Christ.
They were closer to the Apostles than any modern seminary professor or Dispensationalist preacher on tv.

And they all say the same thing:

The Church is Israel (and there is no other)

Christ is the Covenant.

There is no going back.

And just in case you’re still tempted to chase genealogical arguments...

“Avoid foolish controversies and genealogies… they are unprofitable and worthless.”
— Titus 3:9

Or, in plain English:

Stop trying to trace bloodlines, they don’t matter.
The only genealogy God honors now is adoption into Christ.
Period. The End.

^ And every single Christian on Earth thought that way and fully understood this...

Until 1909..

What a coincidence.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

So go run along now with your "reference Bible' born in the darkest reaches of Hell..

There's nothing left to be said...

These two old threads at the top of the 'debate forum' keep dinging me that they're getting new posts.... this is the only reason I finally chimed in again..

but again.. there's nothing left to be said.. ^ if all of that falls on deaf ears, then you're irredeemably under the veil and probably a waste of time anyway.

Good luck out there..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You’re trying to slice up God’s covenant like a deli tray — “this part is about salvation, this part is about land, this part is about Jesus later", but that’s not how covenants work, and it’s not how the New Testament treats the Old.

see what you did there

I posted all three passages concerning the covenant.

and showed you EVERYTHING that God promised

And you can not refute what I said. so you claim I am cutting it up.

I will just say this

If God does not keep his promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, then you have absolutely no hope. he will keep his covenant with you.

so let me guess. You think we can lose our salvation. Because God will not keep his promise to you either..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So go run along now with your "reference Bible' born in the darkest reaches of Hell..

There's nothing left to be said...

These two old threads at the top of the 'debate forum' keep dinging me that they're getting new posts.... this is the only reason I finally chimed in again..

but again.. there's nothing left to be said.. ^ if all of that falls on deaf ears, then you're irredeemably under the veil and probably a waste of time anyway.

Good luck out there..

lol

Dude, your a master in your own head.

You tear up abraham's covenant,

Claim god will not keep his promise and will take back his gift.

And then you try to mock us.

Your right, there is nothing left to be said

YOUR WRONG!!!!!!

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

“If God doesn’t keep His promise to Abraham, how can you trust He’ll keep yours?”


Simple.


He did keep His promise... In Christ.

“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed… who is Christ.” — Galatians 3:16

The covenant was never about dirt.
It was about a Deliverer.
And He came.
He bled.
He rose.
He reigns.

If you’re still waiting on a land deed, you’ve completely missed the point —
and the King.

“All the promises of God find their YES in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

So don’t beg for what’s already been fulfilled.

Receive the One who fulfilled them.

Or be cut off like those who didn’t.

The New Testament never once points Christians to await a "physical Israel revival". Not once.
Not from Jesus. Not from Paul. Not from Peter, James, or John.
Not in Acts.
Not in Romans.
Not in Revelation.
Nothing.

Because they weren’t looking forward to Israel reborn.

They were looking at Israel fulfilled — in Christ.