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[XtraPercept]

I knew a guy who went to my church years ago...

1 Peter 1:3-7

Brother, I enjoyed your post so much and the selection with it that I would like to add to it my preferred interpretation; the American translation (Smith & Goodspeed, The Complete Bible, University of Chicago 1939).

1 Peter 1:3-7
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has caused us to be born anew to a life of hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and to an imperishable, unsullied, and unfading inheritance, which is kept safe for you in heaven, and you by God's power are being protected through faith to receive a salvation that is now ready to be disclosed at the last time. Rejoice over this, although just now perhaps distressed for a little while by various trials; they are to show that your faith when tested is found to be more precious than gold, which though it is perishable is tested with fire, and they will bring you praise, glory, and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Your contributions answered a prayer.

Edit: Adding reference for those interested. It's an excellent translation with the Apocrypha included.

 

[Christian Soldier]

@Christian Soldier

You said Three types of Death, and expressly named Two.

1 Death.
Of Human Physical/mortal Body Natural Life (Blood) Required (by God).

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

2 DEATH
Human DEAD body’s … having their Living soul, Returned to their Physically Dead Body’s.
Their Body’s thus (have Soul Life , not Blood Life in Them.)
They Raised up.
They See the Judge before them.
They confess Belief.
They Bow / Worship their Judge.
Gods Evidence Books Are Opened.
* Gods Book of Life … Had their Name in the Beginning, but their Name was Blotted out When their Body DIED, not believing IN God.
* Lambs Book of Life … Reveal ONLY Names of men Baptized with Gods Holy Spirit, while the mans Body was Alive In his Bodily Life (Blood).


- Names Blotted out of Gods Book of Life AND names Never entered into the Lambs Book of Life…and Names …
Is the Lack of Evidence For them to Be Claimed by God… of such individual being Included with “Gods eternal People.”

Their First DEATH … blood dying, thus body dying.
Their Second DEATH … is Life IN The SOUL, returning to God…
WHAT is LEFT / Remains…
* a natural dead lifeless BODY
* a natural dead lifeless SPIRIT
* an unsaved Lifeless SOUL…

It IS :
The Lifeless Body, Soul, Spirit of Man…
That IS which “IS Destroyed IN HELL” …
Destroyed….Not Burned in Fire for ever and Ever.
Destroyed… no longer a human body, but Returned to Dust.
Destroyed… no longer with a living soul in a body that no longer exists, but is Dust.
Destroyed… no longer a heart, (natural truth) in a body that no longer exists.

For Ever… Shall that body, soul, spirit Be Dust.

Yet you Have … all unsaved human “men” alive, being Thrown INTO the Lake of Fire, screaming and pleading to God for Mercy for their agony to cease.

AND YOU Add … God shows their cries, No Mercy.

Matt 10:
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Dead Bodys Do Not scream and cry in fear or Pain… good grief… dead bodys’ are autopsied, cut, diced, cremated, eaten by animals…

Gods Mercy… FOR those AGAINST Him
IS to NOT Give THEM A “born again Spirit”, that Lives Forever”!!!


Spiritual LIFE, is given a man, AFTER a natural Bodily DEATH Occurs.



All human Body’s Shall Die
Their Blood Life Cease.

Soul “Life” (Gods Breath)… is not mortal, NEVER Dies.
Souls (Without) Gods Breath, ARE “lifeless souls”.

Spirit Life, IS TRUTH, And exists IN the Heart.
Natural spirit Life, is a mans Natural TRUTHS.
Example:
Your identity, your WORD, your belongings, your gifts, your blessings, your body, your blood, your beliefs, (which can change daily), your accomplishments, belong to YOU.

You CAN Freely Choose and AGREE (or Not) to have The Lord God…MAKE “your natural SPIRIT (Truth) circumcised”…
Cut OFF…
Regarding your Natural Truths ABOUT The Lord God AND ( in place thereof) RECEIVE Gods SEED, a Born Again SPIRIT, Gods WORD of TRUTH (that which APPLIES TO The Lord God…According “TO” God.).

A BORN AGAIN SPIRIT in a man… CAN NOT come to Pass:
Until AFTER:
* the mans Heartful Natural SPIRIT Believes;
* the mans BODY experiences a Death;
* the man IS Forgiven; for Having HAD “NOT Believed” ( in his natural spirit)
* the mans SOUL is Saved…
* the man RECEIVES Gods SEED.


You mix natural and spiritual things…
You have Living men AGAINST God experiencing LIFE Forever.

Humans HAVE a natural SPIRIT.
Humans CAN receive / A Supernatural SPIRIT.
Natural SPIRITS Can Die.
Natural SPIRITS Must be Circumcised, Before they can Become MADE a Spiritual Spirit ( that can Never Die).

Angels ARE SPIRITS. The can Never Die.
Angels, like mankind Have FREEWILL and Can , remain WITH God, or Stand AGAINST God.
The Lake of Fire is the Final Eternal PLACE FOR LIVING Angel Spirit, Against God.

You should take your own advice and actually read and study Gods Word…. And stop Speaking FOR And making Declarations FOR others.

That's the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read. None of it is even remotely true. You consistently accuse God of being a liar, I put it to you tyhat God is not a liar but you most certainly are

 

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You haven't defended a single charge I made against your unbiblical doctrines. Simply denying the charges and accusing me of making false allegations, doesn't help your case at all. It just makes it worse

I have no intent to defend what you claim for me.

 

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God said it, but God is a liar according to you. Wow!!!

IF that were so according to me… you could quote me.

 

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You consistently accuse God of being a liar.

WOW…
LOL...

Either you think you Are God…
Or
Too ignorant to comprehend it is YOU I do NOT believe.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I have no intent to defend what you claim for me.

Of 'course you don't intent to defend your claims, not mine

 

[Christian Soldier]

IF that were so according to me… you could quote me.

I'm not going to keep on reminding you of what you've said. If you say things without knowing what they mean, then you need to get some help with that

 

[Christian Soldier]

WOW…
LOL...

Either you think you Are God…
Or
Too ignorant to comprehend it is YOU I do NOT believe.

No no, it's God you don't believe. I was only quoting Him and you hate it, because there is no truth in you

 

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Of 'course you don't intent to defend your claims, not mine

I believe All Scripture is True.

I believe human BODILY LIFE (BLOOD)“BEGINS” in the WOMB….From a Humans SEED.

I believe human BODILY “LIFE “ is accomplished, WHEN that BODILY LIFE, Exits the Womb, AND by the Authority and Power of God, Given a LIVING Soul, “MAKING” that “thing” an ALIVE, LIVING human BEING.

God Creates AND Makes Physical, Mortal Human Beings, “WITHOUT” Knowledge or Belief in God.

* Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and ….breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I do not believe that process has changed…
God Forms a mans BODY.
God Breaths a Living Soul Into the nostrils of that Body.

Doesn’t affect or effect me, by What you believe.

I believe an Alive living born human, WILL grow, Hear, Learn Many things THAT Have Nothing to Do With God….
Thus the Person, Does Not Know or Believe IN God…
Which duh
IS That persons SIN AGAINST God!

That Person Can Learn About The Lord God Almighty…Freely Choose… Belief IN Him or Not.

That Person Believing IN Him… CAN “Confess” to the Lord his Belief in God or Not.

Doesn’t affect or effect me, by what you believe or do or don’t believe or don’t do.

God has Offered All humans, a WAY, For Forgiveness of a humans BODILY SIN Against God.

God has Offered All humans, a WAY, For Forgiveness AND Salvation of their SOULS’ SIN Against God.

God has Offered All humans, a WAY, For
Forgiveness AND QUICKENING of their SPIRITS’ SIN Against God.

I believe ONCE the Lord God “HAS forgiven a human, HAS Saved their Soul, Has Quickened their Spirit…
It shall Stand Forever and Never be Revoked.

* I am confidently assure IN my One on one Relationship With the Lord God Almighty….
* I have Little Regard, of YOUR One on one Relationship With the Lord God Almighty.
* I Find YOUR Continuous, Gaslighting, False Accusations, a suspect reveal of Your Rotten Fruits.

 

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it's God you don't believe. I was only quoting Him and you hate it, because there is no truth in you

Gaslighting.
You claiming things I never said.

Perfect Examples of…
YOUR ROTTEN FRUITS.

 

[Christian Soldier]

I believe All Scripture is True.

I believe human BODILY LIFE (BLOOD)“BEGINS” in the WOMB….From a Humans SEED.

I believe human BODILY “LIFE “ is accomplished, WHEN that BODILY LIFE, Exits the Womb, AND by the Authority and Power of God, Given a LIVING Soul, “MAKING” that “thing” an ALIVE, LIVING human BEING.

God Creates AND Makes Physical, Mortal Human Beings, “WITHOUT” Knowledge or Belief in God.

* Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and ….breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

I do not believe that process has changed…
God Forms a mans BODY.
God Breaths a Living Soul Into the nostrils of that Body.

Doesn’t affect or effect me, by What you believe.

I believe an Alive living born human, WILL grow, Hear, Learn Many things THAT Have Nothing to Do With God….
Thus the Person, Does Not Know or Believe IN God…
Which duh
IS That persons SIN AGAINST God!

That Person Can Learn About The Lord God Almighty…Freely Choose… Belief IN Him or Not.

That Person Believing IN Him… CAN “Confess” to the Lord his Belief in God or Not.

Doesn’t affect or effect me, by what you believe or do or don’t believe or don’t do.

God has Offered All humans, a WAY, For Forgiveness of a humans BODILY SIN Against God.

God has Offered All humans, a WAY, For Forgiveness AND Salvation of their SOULS’ SIN Against God.

God has Offered All humans, a WAY, For
Forgiveness AND QUICKENING of their SPIRITS’ SIN Against God.

I believe ONCE the Lord God “HAS forgiven a human, HAS Saved their Soul, Has Quickened their Spirit…
It shall Stand Forever and Never be Revoked.

* I am confidently assure IN my One on one Relationship With the Lord God Almighty….
* I have Little Regard, of YOUR One on one Relationship With the Lord God Almighty.
* I Find YOUR Continuous, Gaslighting, False Accusations, a suspect reveal of Your Rotten Fruits.

So you're still accusing God of being a liar. I have asked you many times to find a single example of this god you speak about, offering all humans a way for forgiveness.
I have told you that no such nonsense exists in the bible, yet you keep trying to convince yourself that it exists.

I have already taught you that God never offered to save anyone, I have already proved tat no such foolish doctrine exists in the bible. Yet you keep wishing it into existence and that speaks volumes about your messed up theology.

God has never offered to quicken anyone's spirit, that is pure unbiblical nonsense. you will never find a single verse to support something so foolish

 

[Christian Soldier]

Gaslighting.
You claiming things I never said.

Perfect Examples of…
YOUR ROTTEN FRUITS.

I quote what God said, you reject it and then claim you never did. You are judicially blind, so you can't even see your hypocrisy

 

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So you're still accusing God of being a liar.

Already established YOU ARE a Gaslighter and False Accuser.

I have asked you many times to find a single example of this god you speak about, offering all humans a way for forgiveness.

You have been told, shown IN Gods Word.
Not my Job to Understand FOR you.

I have told you that no such nonsense exists in the bible, yet you keep trying to convince yourself that it exists.

Well aware of the difference between “your Truth” (darkness)and Gods Word of Truth (Light).

I have already taught you that God never offered to save anyone, I have already proved tat no such foolish doctrine exists in the bible.

You confuse Sharing YOUR Ignorance AS Teaching.
Well aware you have repeatedly shared your Ignorance, gaslighted and Falsely Accused.

You are Not my teacher, nor am I your follower.

God has never offered to quuicken anyone's spirit, that is pure unbiblical nonsense. you will never find a single verse to support something so foolish

Astounding that the simple CONDITIONAL concept repeated nearly 5,000 times IN Scripture;
Of: IF…THEN
Escapes your knowledge AND Understanding.

Sanctification…..set apart
Offering…Body of Jesus Christ. Heb 10:10
How many Times…Once
For who…All
Forced…no
IF …a man agrees to Take the Offering
THEN…a man Receives the Offering

Not rocket science!

Even a toddler can understand…
IF…THEN

FYI…Toddler Bibles for-sale in stores…but you probably should not be driving…( like the mystery of IF a traffic lights Turn RED, you should THEN stop) rather take advantage online.

 

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I quote what God said, you reject it and then claim you never did. You are judicially blind, so you can't even see your hypocrisy

No. False Testifier…
Not once can you copy a quote from Scripture you posted, THEN copy my QUOTE saying I reject THAT Scripture.

 

[XtraPercept]

I'm a bit sad I can't change my vote. My thoughts have changed since reading more on this forum. Such a treasure trove we have here!

 

[Christian Soldier]

Already established YOU ARE a Gaslighter and False Accuser.



You have been told, shown IN Gods Word.
Not my Job to Understand FOR you.




Well aware of the difference between “your Truth” (darkness)and Gods Word of Truth (Light).



You confuse Sharing YOUR Ignorance AS Teaching.
Well aware you have repeatedly shared your Ignorance, gaslighted and Falsely Accused.

You are Not my teacher, nor am I your follower.



Astounding that the simple CONDITIONAL concept repeated nearly 5,000 times IN Scripture;
Of: IF…THEN
Escapes your knowledge AND Understanding.

Sanctification…..set apart
Offering…Body of Jesus Christ. Heb 10:10
How many Times…Once
For who…All
Forced…no
IF …a man agrees to Take the Offering
THEN…a man Receives the Offering

Not rocket science!

Even a toddler can understand…
IF…THEN

FYI…Toddler Bibles for-sale in stores…but you probably should not be driving…( like the mystery of IF a traffic lights Turn RED, you should THEN stop) rather take advantage online.

If pigs could fly, they would. But you foolishly believe that "If Pigs could fly" has to mean that Pigs fly. I have never heard of anything so foolish in my life.

Even a 5 year old kid knows that pigs can't fly but according to your wisdom, they fly. Wow, you take foolishness to a new level, congrats.

Where does the bible say "If a man agrees to take the offering???????????????????????????????? Answer NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every on of your replies is getting more and more foolish, don't you feel any shame at all. I've been correcting you and teaching you the truth, but you're either willingly ignorant or you're just a straight out liar.

 

[Christian Soldier]

No. False Testifier…
Not once can you copy a quote from Scripture you posted, THEN copy my QUOTE saying I reject THAT Scripture.

Blind liars are all in denial, they don't even have the capacity to consider the truth for one moment. They don't want to know the truth, because ignorance is bliss.
The only problem with that way of living is, that it comes to an end and then the judgement, which bursts their bubble of protection and they are cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Already established YOU ARE a Gaslighter and False Accuser.



You have been told, shown IN Gods Word.
Not my Job to Understand FOR you.




Well aware of the difference between “your Truth” (darkness)and Gods Word of Truth (Light).



You confuse Sharing YOUR Ignorance AS Teaching.
Well aware you have repeatedly shared your Ignorance, gaslighted and Falsely Accused.

You are Not my teacher, nor am I your follower.



Astounding that the simple CONDITIONAL concept repeated nearly 5,000 times IN Scripture;
Of: IF…THEN
Escapes your knowledge AND Understanding.

Sanctification…..set apart
Offering…Body of Jesus Christ. Heb 10:10
How many Times…Once
For who…All
Forced…no
IF …a man agrees to Take the Offering
THEN…a man Receives the Offering

Not rocket science!

Even a toddler can understand…
IF…THEN

FYI…Toddler Bibles for-sale in stores…but you probably should not be driving…( like the mystery of IF a traffic lights Turn RED, you should THEN stop) rather take advantage online.

You showed me nothing but your false private opinnion of what the Bible says. When the Lord says things like "If you abide in Me", is not an offer as you foolishly insist He is saying. No, the Lord is making the observation, that those who are abiding in Me, will have their prayers answered etc.

At no time did Christ ever make any offer to anyone. He simply states that those who abide in Him are saved, the natural conclusion is than those who are not abiding in Him, shall not be saved. It's not an offer, it's an observation and promise but in no way is it an offer.

 

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If pigs could fly, they would. But you foolishly believe that "If Pigs could fly" has to mean that Pigs fly. I have never heard of anything so foolish in my life.

Even a 5 year old kid knows that pigs can't fly but according to your wisdom, they fly. Wow, you take foolishness to a new level, congrats.

Where does the bible say "If a man agrees to take the offering???????????????????????????????? Answer NOWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Every on of your replies is getting more and more foolish, don't you feel any shame at all. I've been correcting you and teaching you the truth, but you're either willingly ignorant or you're just a straight out liar.

You are out of control.

 

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You showed me nothing but your false private opinnion of what the Bible says. When the Lord says things like "If you abide in Me", is not an offer as you foolishly insist He is saying. No, the Lord is making the observation, that those who are abiding in Me, will have their prayers answered etc.

At no time did Christ ever make any offer to anyone. He simply states that those who abide in Him are saved, the natural conclusion is than those who are not abiding in Him, shall not be saved. It's not an offer, it's an observation and promise but in no way is it an offer.

YIKES man…you are off the rails!

Reject your foolishness, your foolish opinion, your foolish teaching.

Eph 5:2
…hath given himself for us an offering …

Heb 7:27
…he offered up himself…

Heb 9:28
…Christ was offered…

Heb 10:10
…Offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.