Is heaven only for Christians? - That's convenient

[pandaflower]

This was the "Why only us?" question I had to grapple with as a young adult.

Is it true? Heaven is only for Christians? What does that even mean?

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It's only for those in Christ,yes.

 

[pandaflower]

Not so. Jesus removed the Kingdom of God from the Jews.

Matthew 21:43 - “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

Replacement Theology.

White Supremacist garbage.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes. that's the reason for God choosing a people for Himself.

I thought that was Israel. ???

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[Rockerduck]

Replacement Theology.

White Supremacist garbage.

So, Jesus is a white supremacist? Jesus preached replacement theology? Jesus said that; you are in another world.

 

[St. SteVen]

It's only for those in Christ,yes.

Eventually everyone will be in Christ. (Philippians 2:10-11)

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[pandaflower]

Eventually everyone will be in Christ. (Philippians 2:10-11)

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Really? That would be universal Christianity then?

 

[pandaflower]

So, Jesus is a white supremacist? Jesus preached replacement theology? Jesus said that; you are in another world.

No. That would make those who think Christians replaced Jews as God's chosen White Supremacists.

 

[St. SteVen]

Really? That would be universal Christianity then?

Glad you asked.
Although, I'm not sure we should call it Christianity.

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

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[Rockerduck]

No. That would make those who think Christians replaced Jews as God's chosen White Supremacists.

I quoted Jesus in scripture, and you called Him a white supremist and preached replacement theology. Whatever Jesus says sticks. its Jesus' Word and He has authority over all heaven and earth.

 

[pandaflower]

Glad you asked.
Although, I'm not sure we should call it Christianity.

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

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Sounds like Universalism.

 

[pandaflower]

I quoted Jesus in scripture, and you called Him a white supremist and preached replacement theology. Whatever Jesus says sticks. its Jesus' Word and He has authority over all heaven and earth.

Not true. You quoted replacement theology and then tried to say Jesus said the same thing.

Which is so much nonsense given Jesus was a Jew sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
If you can't be honest,stop talking to me

 

[Ezra]

So, Jesus is a white supremacist? Jesus preached replacement theology? Jesus said that; you are in another world.

there are messianic jews

 

[St. SteVen]

Sounds like Universalism.

Are you saying that like it's a bad thing?

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[pandaflower]

Are you saying that like it's a bad thing?

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If it were reality in Christ there would be no need for evangelism. And there would be no separation of those not in Christ from God after they did the second death. Because there would be no second death.

Is Universalism doctrine , and Replacement Theology,allowed to be promoted here?

 

[pandaflower]

there are messianic jews

Rockers post 159 would deny that.

"Jesus removed the Kingdom of God from the Jews."

That's also known as Supersessionism.

 

[Ezra]

Rockers post 159 would deny that.

wonderful my Bible says whosover shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved .. that includes Jews those in italy china where ever if the spirit draws and the call upon Jesus they can BE SAVED BIBLE

 

[Rockerduck]

Not true. You quoted replacement theology and then tried to say Jesus said the same thing.

Which is so much nonsense given Jesus was a Jew sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
If you can't be honest,stop talking to me

I quoted scripture. I didn't quote anything else.

 

[pandaflower]

wonderful my Bible says whosover shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved .. that includes Jews those in italy china where ever if the spirit draws and the call upon Jesus they can BE SAVED BIBLE

What condemns Replacement Theologians is that Jesus was born into the Jewish family descended from King David.


The idea that God said he erased their place as his chosen and placed Gentiles in their stead is patent hogwash.

Though there is a supremacist group who insists Adam was Caucasian. And people of color are cursed through Cain.




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[Ezra]

What condemns Replacement Theologians is that Jesus was born into the Jewish family descended from King David.


The idea that God said he erased their place as his chosen and placed Gentiles in their stead is patent hogwash.

Though there is a supremacist group who insists Adam was Caucasian. And people of color are cursed through Cain.




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romans 11
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

for God is able to graff them in again.

24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob



i dont believe for a second all of israel will be saved.. i feel its speaking of those who will... say all as in every last one would be universalism .. but then again this is a God thing .. our biggest problem in the land is so many theologies i like how paul wrote it we have thousands of teachers.. but not many fathers in the Lord.

 

[lforrest]

Not so. Jesus removed the Kingdom of God from the Jews.

Matthew 21:43 - “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

I don't believe Romans 11 contradicts this prophesy from Jesus, and I'm sure you have an explanation for how it doesn't as well.

Some or even most Jews remained hardened against belief in Jesus. Culturally they were and still are stagnant.

The believing Jews were far more flexible, going out of their way not to place the gentiles under the same burdens as the Jews. Eventually Christianity grew to have a very different culture from its founding. And that is enough for it to be a separate nation.