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Greene not backing "Mark of the beast bill'
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Please, show us your workmanship in the word of God concerning these things so we can clearly mark your path and how you arrive to a thing.
Nameaboveallnames
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There is very little workmanship in the word here, but he would seek to exclude himself from demonstrating that he is above the rest of the forum.
So certainly, I wouldn't miss it.
Earburner
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First of all the number of the beast is in conjunction with the context of 1 Kings 10:14. The power of the Beast with 10H is secular and economic, it is in no way of a Religious origin. Rev. 13 should inform you that the 10H Beast is entirely economic.
Secondly, there is no "little horn" to come.
Antiochus Epiphanes was the complete fulfilment of that prophecy in Daniel and 1 &2 Maccabees.
My question to you is, what is your understanding of M, BTG,TMOH?
Nameaboveallnames
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"BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev. 17:5) is Jerusalem.
Nameaboveallnames
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Yes, there is. Well, that "little horn," the Vatican, is already here.
You are greatly mistaken.
For example, in Daniel and in relation to the "little horn," we read:
"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." (Dan. 7:25)
Similarly, in Revelation and in relation to "the first beast," we read:
"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations." (Rev. 13:5-7)
It is the same "mouth speaking great words against the most High" or "great things and blasphemies," and the same exact "little horn" or "first beast" shall "wear out the saints of the most High" for "a time (1 year), and times (two years), and the dividing of time (1/2 a year)," or for "forty and two months," or for 3 1/2 years.
This is reality.
Nameaboveallnames
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" Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold." (1 Kings 10:14)
So you claim, but you have not provided any proof of the same. In reality, this is what was prophesied in relation to "666" in the book of Revelation:
"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (Rev. 13:16-18)
According to the word of God, "666" is "the number of his name," and I have already documented how the number of the Papacy's name is "666."
How can you claim that "it is in no way of a religious origin" when the "another beast...spake like a dragon" (Rev. 13:11), and the "dragon" is Satan?
Earburner
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Sorry! AE-lV (Antiochus Epiphanes) was the only LH that will ever be. That reality is understood when one does the math of the 2300 days in Daniel and lines it up with Jewish historical record of 1&2 Maccabees. Connect that with the 70 week prophecy, whereby Jesus fulfilled the 70TH week, and by the Holy Spirit you will understand.
Nameaboveallnames
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What you should genuinely be "sorry" about is that you totally ignored the fact that Daniel chapter 7 and Revelation chapter 13 are talking about the same exact "little horn" or little kingdom. I knew that you would not address it. I see no reason to continue our discussion if you are not going to address the scriptures that I reference.
Earburner
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You don't understand me too well, but you should. The churches have done a terrible injustice to the 70 week prophecy. They have ripped away the 70th week from the 69th week and moved it out in time to be attached 2500+ years into the future.
Yes! I AGREE 100%
Because we do agree on that, we should keep this discussion going.
However, know this....20+ years ago, I once was where you are for all of your understanding. That all changed when I fully understood the 70TH week and it's truthful position in time!
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Earburner
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As you quoted correctly 1 Kings 10:14, your clue is for you to compare that prophetic statement with the prophecy of Rev. 13:18, which is still in need of fulfillment.
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
> The "man" you are to search for is king Solomon who had great "wisdom". It is he who had to deal with the six hundred, three score and six talents of gold, that came to him [freely] for one year from the government of the Queen of Sheba.
To us, gold is in the form of fiat currency (soon to be all in digital form).
Now, when you get a chance do some research on what UBI Universal Basic Income is all about. (Clue: a free allotment of digital money coming from everyone's respective government for one year).
WHY?
Ans. There will be a Global Economic collapse caused by the killing off of 1/3 of the population in the area of the Euphrates River. Rev. 9:13-21.
Edit: In case you didn't know, this is China's current situation with their fiat currency, the Yuan is going Digital money.
Digital Yuan COMPULSORY — Citizens Forced to Convert Life Savings or LOSE ACCESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nyw6rNU-W0
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Thank you for your request but with comments like these who would want to present their understanding?
Let me present the following explanation of my understanding for your consideration.
Let us start with Ex 20:4-6 which speaks of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities of the first two ages upon their children and the children's children in the third and the fourth age of their existence from the time of Isaac' birth.
This tells us that after the existence of the four age they will turn back to God.
There are a number of Prophecies like Hosea 6:1-3, which speaks of the redemption of the nation of Isreal after the completion of the Ex 20:4-6 prophecy.
In Isaiah 24:21-22, we have God speaking of the judgement of the kings of the earth at Armageddon for their part in trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts, i.e. Israel, for 2,300 years under the influence of the Little Horn as one of the armies that he is allowed to influence for completing the trampling of God's sanctuary and his Earthly Hosts.
In Romans 11:25b-26 we are told that when the time of the Gentiles is completed, that after the completion of the Dan 8:8b-14 prophecy that all of Israel will be saved.
In Ezekiel 34 God tells us that He will draw Israel to Himself and that he will plant them in the fertile soil of Israel and will teach them on the Religion that is based on the testimony that is associate with the Rock/Stone that come down out of Heaven and will sprinkle them with water to cleanse them.
In verse 25 God states this "“I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause evil beasts to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods."
Now at the same time as the Kings of the earth gather at Armageddon to be judged, God is judging the heavenly hosts and in verse 22 God tells us what will happen to those judged in verse 21 by prophesying this "And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. "
Now Rev 9:3-11 describes the kings of the earth who have been imprisoned for 1,000 years in the Bottomless pit.
Then in Rev 17:7-18 is describing the four Heavenly hosts who become the beast that rises up out of the Bottomless pit.
Then in Rev 13:11-17 we have the Little Horn described also rising up out of the earth, i.e. the Bottomless pit.
So, the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 are described as the four winds of heaven, i.e. Angels, and the beast of rev 13 and 17 is described in Dan7:19-26 which corresponds with Daniel 7:19-26. The Little horn is also a judged heavenly host who is also called the False Prophet in the Book of revelation.
Now this is a very short description of the heavenly hosts who are also the four beasts and the Little Horn.
I hope that this meets your expectation of a description of my position.
Many years ago, in a now defunct forum, I was also pointing out that the Beasts and Little Horn of Daniel 7 and the Book of revelation are wicked fallen heavenly hosts.
Shalom
When Nameaboveallnames stated
There is definitely a spiritual element to each "beast" or kingdom, and I touched on that briefly while seeking to identify who the "another beast" of Revelation chapter 13 is.
You chimed in with
Still not looking past a human origin,
To which Nameaboveallnames responded
That's a false accusation, and I know the "spirit" behind it.
Then I chime in also to your comment saying
Please, show us your workmanship in the word of God concerning these things so we can clearly mark your path and how you arrive to a thing.
Because you are not offering anything as far as constructive correction by way of the scriptures.
If someone takes the time and the effort in their own workmanship in the word to painstakingly lay out what they believe according to the same, they sure deserve a better reponse if you feel they are wrong or missing something. Seeing such a person is obviously giving themselves to this study, exhibiting more of a love for the truth and finer details which he provides links to other studies (working these side issues out) while trying to remain on point. He shows no casual disregard for it concerning any of these things.
And it would be easy for anyone of us to sit on the sidelines and drop a comment similar to your own without adding a single thing to the conversation. And so if you weren't going to do that, then lets see how you might painstakingly lay out all the details of what you believe in these things, showing us your own efforts and workmanship in the word.
Adding in where you might feel he is missing the spiritual element in his posts, since you stated his posts are not looking past the human origin.
Which is much better contribution Jay Ross. And personally (as Nameaboveallnames knows as well) that I am not settled on all of it (just for the record here) as I have stated before, and so I have a great appreciation for brethren which show what they believe in such detail as they do, who exhibit their extensive workmanship in the word. I find them to be profitable to me, valuable regardless of whether or not their knowledge is imperfect, theirs adds to my own which is also imperfect.
As a newbie on this forum, unless you have taken the time to read what I have previously posted, you would not know whether or not I have already presented the basis for my position on the entity of the beasts. If you had check my previous posts then you would have read that I have consistently been presenting my position on the entity of the beasts of Daniel 7 including the Little Horn, as being wicked fallen heavenly hosts as Paul described them in Ephesian 6:12: - "and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.", however most members on this forum are still looking at human entities to be the beasts and the Little Horn.
The Daniel 2 Statue Prophecy only deals with the nations that have held or still hold dominion over the Land of Babylon, yet many commentators also link these nations with the beasts and the nation, that chose for a period of time, to inhabit the respective dominions of the four beasts and exhibit the respective beast's dominate characteristic.
But people, believing that they are right, can provide a list of national entities that they claim are the actual 4 winds of heaven beasts as they progressed over time, whereas the beasts consistently span the time period from when they first appeared up to the future time when they are judged and imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years after which they will be released for a Little While Period when they will be dispatched into the Lake of Fire.
Now that I have presented my position, it would be good for you either endorse my position or provided biblical justifications to rebut my postion.
Shalom
I am not a newby on the forum, I am an older user under a new username and introduced myself as such. I am Verily.
I believe you misunderstand for what purpose I stated that I was unsettled on this topic, because I am seeking out constructive conversations on this. To which I have not once added any imput. I am here as someone listening to the back and forths with Nameaboveallnames and not a participant. You would be participating in his conversation not mine, I am not a part of it and so my approval or disapproval (given where I stand) would be meaningless. On his end I just reccognize the work that went into what he has put forth and I can appreciate the detail in his approach.
I on the other hand find that his approach to people who disagree with him is to put that person down with a "curse."
Nameaboveallnames is a good friend of mine and we disagree on things and he has never cursed me for it. And I him and I have never cursed him for it.
Nameaboveallnames
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You are making what by this comment.
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