Is it possible to lose salvation?

[GodsGrace]

WRONG.
You can’t “pluck” yourself out of anything. You can voluntarily leave, though.

Jesus promises that nobody ELSE can take you away from Him. People are always blaming others for their having gone astray. You don’t get an excuse with Jesus because He promised that this couldn’t happen if you STAY faithful (Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Heb. 3:14, Rev. 2:10).

Scripture does NOIT teach this abomination. We don’t get to profess Christ – only to live a life of unrepentant sin. What do you think the Parable of the Ten Virgins (Matt. 25:1-13) is about? They were brides of the Groom (Christ). Yet, when He came for them – they were unprepared and were locked-out of the celebration.

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son (Matt. 25:13-20), the son had everything (salvation) - yet he threw it away. It was only through repentance and a change of heart that he restores his security.

1 John 3:4
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.

Shocking, isn't it?

 

[GodsGrace]

I love to bring attention to some religion that some on these Forums teach.
It's NOT Christianity,
Don't know what they want to call it...
but it's NOT what Jesus taught.

Here is the latest statement made by one of those "christians"....:

And Salvation is a "GIFT".. the GIFT of Salvaiton.""".........so, its not going anywhere, even if the Christians is a horrible one, and there are plenty of them.


Member shall remain nameless.

But he is sending some to hell by making such statements and some might, unfortunately, believe him because it sounds so good.
Yeah. Live like you want to and you'll still go to heaven because you "believe".

Members....please obey Jesus and live as HE taught....
do not believe those that would put your salvation in danger.

 

[Behold]

Depart from me you who practice LAWLESSNESS.

The Christian is "not under the law but under Grace".

Christ has "redeemed the Christian from the Curse of the Law".

All those ordinances, were nailed to the Cross of Christ, Because Jesus fulfilled them all.

There is NO LAW held against the Christian.......

This is why 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8 explain to the Christian that God does not charge SIN to the Christian.

 

[Behold]

But he is sending some to hell by making such statements and some might

As for me, i would never lie to a Christian and tell them that they have to keep themselves saved, as if Jesus's Sacrifice is not good enough.

You're that one. @GodsGrace

Also...a Christain can't Go to Hell and a person never born again can't go to Heaven.

So, if you want to point your Gospel Ignorant Legalist finger at someone who is sending people to hell, then find StSteven, as that one is telling everyone that everyone is going to heaven.........no need to be saved, or forgiven, while you are on the earth.
That's "UNIVERSALISM".... and that is His False Gospel.
He's leading people to Hell on this Forum, who are not really saved, while the Mods sit there, and allow it.

 

[GodsGrace]

I just post verses, or parts of them....from memory..... and if the person is a real student of the bible, they'll recognize them.

No.

There's a method for posting scritpure.
I was well-trained.

YOU apparently can only spew out verses WITHOUT POSTING THEM.

It's up to YOU to post supporting scripture...
it's not up to ME to do your work for you.

The reason that you believe that you can lose your salvation, is becasue you dont trust in Christ to keep you saved.
So, you are trying to do that, for yourself.
= It can't be done.
Trust in Christ instead, to keep you saved.
Give Him all the Credit due HIM for your ETERNAL Salvaiton, and stop try to take the credit for it , by all your "i must do this, and i must do that, to keep myself saved". = Legalism.

Jesus saves us.
IF we want to be.

HE is NOT doing all the work.

He did His part,
now YOU do yours.

Matthew 16:24
24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me.


Luke 14:27-30
27 "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot * be My disciple.
28 "For which one of you, when he wants to build a tower, does not first sit down and calculate the cost to see if he has enough to complete it?
29 "Otherwise *, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who observe it begin to ridicule him,
30 saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'


Does Jesus' teachings above sound to you like He did everything and believers are to do nothing?
No. It does not.

This is what Jesus taught in just those 2 verses:

1. DENY YOURSELF. It means to do for others.
2. COME AFTER ME. It means to FOLLOW Jesus and do as HE did.
3. PICK UP YOUR CROSS. Accept your daily living for God.
4. COUNT THE COST. Following Jesus has a cost. Are we willing to pay it?
5. SOME WILL NOT FINISH.


(BTW, that's how scripture is posted)

 

[Behold]

No.

There's a method for posting scritpure.
I was well-trained.

You are well trained in your opinion.
Perhaps you use to be a part of the Moderation team on a Heretics forum that would demand "Chapter and verse".
But that is not this forum.

So, if you dont recognize the verses i post, that i always post between "Quotes' then, you need to pay more attention.

YOU apparently can only spew out verses WITHOUT POSTING THEM.

I do post a lot of verses.
You just dont recognize them... as i explained .

It's up to YOU to post supporting scripture...
it's not up to ME to do your work for you.

Its bible verses that have you so confused.
So, posting more to you, is not going to help someone like you., tho i do post a lot of verses, most of the time.
Just not the "Chapter and Verse" marker., tho i will do this if the person wants a specific verse marker.

Jesus saves us.
IF we want to be.

Being born again for eternity proved we wanted to be Saved.
Being born again proves we are saved, for eternity.

Luke 14:27-30
27 "Whoever does not carry his own cross and come after Me cannot * be My disciple.

Your verse is Jesus talking to unsaved Jews, as there was no Cross of Christ yet. so there are no Christians in your Verse.

Also, a Christian is much more then a Disciple......a Christian is a "Son-Daughter" of God.


Disiples are followers of Christ and can go to hell.
A Christian is a born again, "Son//Daughter of God" and "will never perish"......Jesus said.
There are no Christians in Hell.

Does Jesus' teachings above sound to you like He did everything and believers are to do nothing?
No. It does not.

The Cross of Christ is the finished work of Jesus, that is the eternal sacrifice that God provided for someone's Salvaiton.. as "all who will believe".
"justification by Faith".
Whereas, what you do as a work, before you are saved, or after you are saved has nothing to do with God saving you, or keeping you saved.
As your works are just works......nothing more.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Christian is "not under the law but under Grace".
Christ has "redeemed the Christian from the Curse of the Law".
All those ordinances, were nailed to the Cross of Christ, Because Jesus fulfilled them all.

There is NO LAW held against the Christian.......

This is why 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8 explain to the Christian that God does not charge SIN to the Christian.

WRONG.
Paul is talking about the Mosaic Law. - with its dietary and ceremonial ordinances.

We still live under the Laws of God. We just don’t live under the stringent dietary and ceremonial Laws of Moses – with the exception of the 10 Commandments.

John 14:15
If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

John 15:10
“If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.”

John 15:14
“You are my friends IF you do what I command.”

And we need to endure in christ with the help of the Holy Spirit - lest we fall back into darkness . . .
Pet. 1:14
“As obedient children, do not conform (fall back) to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance.”

 

[GodsGrace]

The Christian is "not under the law but under Grace".

Christ has "redeemed the Christian from the Curse of the Law".

All those ordinances, were nailed to the Cross of Christ, Because Jesus fulfilled them all.

There is NO LAW held against the Christian.......

This is why 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4:8 explain to the Christian that God does not charge SIN to the Christian.

You REALLY need to read the entire bible.
And who knows what 2 Corin 5:19 and Romans 4.8 state...
you DID NOT post the scripture.

But here's what Paul thinks of your idea that we are not under law but under grace:

Romans 6:14-16
14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

Catch that exclamation mark....must be important.
Then Paul goes on to say that we are slaved to the one to whom WE PRESENT OURSELVES.....verse 16

WE PRESENT OURSELVES.

There goes our dirty filthy works again....

Looks like Paul is saying that WE are to present ourselves....
God is not coming down from heaven to DO for us.

In fact, it goes beyond that.
WE are God's hands and feet.

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.


Pay attention:
We are saved TO DO God's work.

Doesn't sound like dirty, filthy work to me.
Sounds like God planned good works for us to do IN HIS KINGDOM ON EARTH.
(to make it a better place).

 

[GodsGrace]

You are well trained in your opinion.
Perhaps you use to be a part of the Moderation team on a Heretics forum that would demand "Chapter and verse".
But that is not this forum.

So, if you dont recognize the verses i post, that i always post between "Quotes' then, you need to pay more attention.





I do post a lot of verses.
You just dont recognize them... as i explained .

Actually Behold,,,I might just recognize them.
BUT
there are some reading along that may not.

Don't you want THEM to know that you have some biblical support?
And Forums are not heretical....
the members beliefs on those forums can be heretical.

Do you know what heretical means?
Most do not.

If you don't wish to post your verses, that's up to you.
Theologians will quote the verse.
Choice is yours.

Its bible verses that have you so confused.

Maybe.
But JESUS is NOT confused and I just post what HE stated.

So, posting more to you, is not going to help someone like you., tho i do post a lot of verses, most of the time.
Just not the "Chapter and Verse" marker., tho i will do this if the person wants a specific verse marker.

Yes. Chapter and verse would be nice with the actual words underneath...
you know....like I do.

You see, the other Forum does this because THEOLOGY is a serious subject matter and should be treated as such.
It's not a place for our personal opinion....
so scripture should be required.

Being born again for eternity proved we wanted to be Saved.
Being born again proves we are saved, for eternity.



Your verse is Jesus talking to unsaved Jews, as there was no Cross of Christ yet. so there are no Christians in your Verse.

I see. So Jesus was speaking to unsaved Jews and everything He stated BEFORE THE CROSS is not valid for us.

So, please advise us which statements of Jesus are for us?

He taught the Apostles for 3.5 years before the cross.
50 days AFTER the cross.

Not much for us to know then,,,,3.5 years as compared to 50 days.
Guess Jesus meant everything for the Jews.
Perhaps there really is not Christian faith?
Perhaps there really is no church that Jesus began?

I do remember that He did make one important statement regarding this:

John 10:16
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.


I believe Jesus is saying that He is NOT teaching only the Jews but EVERYONE that wishes to become part of His flock.

Also, a Christian is much more then a Disciple......a Christian is a "Son-Daughter" of God.


Disiples are followers of Christ and can go to hell.
A Christian is a born again, "Son//Daughter of God" and "will never perish"......Jesus said.
There are no Christians in Hell.

A DISCIPLE,,,
a Follower of Jesus....
A FOLLOWER of Jesus....

can go to hell?

Do you understand what a follower is?

Apparently not, or you'd know that a FOLLOWER must obey God.

The Cross of Christ is the finished work of Jesus, that is the eternal sacrifice that God provided for someone's Salvaiton.. as "all who will believe".
"justification by Faith".
Whereas, what you do as a work, before you are saved, or after you are saved has nothing to do with God saving you, or keeping you saved.
As your works are just works......nothing more.

I don't see any scripture.

Know why?

There isn't any for what you've posted above.

 

[ProDeo]

JESUS is not talking about you behaiving until you are dead to earn salvation.

If you read what He said.... if you open a bible to Matt 24........He had already explained, in previous verses... that He was talking about a specific event, so that you know what He's prophecing.
Its also found in Daniel.

JESUS said, '""" when you see the abomination of desolation".............

See that? That is Jesus talking about the future Tribulation, as that is when the abomination happens.
So then He said....>"he that endures to the END"..........of THAT.......of the TRIB...........shall be saved.
The Body of Christ wont be in the Trib.
So, anyone who is, isnt a Christian, and you'll have to endure to the end of that 7 Yrs, ... and you'll probably be Martyr'd along the way.

Matt 24 is not the only passage that speaks to endure till the end (death), I think you know that., if not I will show you.

The Lord wants to see it played out, if our faith holds under any circumstance.

Matt 13:18 “Hear then the parable of the sower:

Matt 13:19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path.

Christian type one :
Matt 13:20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy,
Matt 13:21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.

Christian type two :
Matt 13:22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.

Christian type three :
Matt 13:23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.”

 

[shepherdsword]

God does not put conditions on His Gift of Salvation.
Heretics do.

Jesus put these conditions in place. I would be careful.
1) My sheep hear my voice
2) I know them
3) They follow me

Again:
Mt 7:20-21
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Listen, God does not require you to follow anything..........or perform anything.

Jn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

What God requires is that you give Him your Faith in Christ and He will give you the "GIFT".. of Salvation.

Jas 2:19-20
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Its Free, as Jesus earned it for us......so that SINNERS can have God's GIFT.. which is GOD's GRACE...., and become CHRISTians....for eternity.

1 Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

The problem is that you have received a false and incomplete message. You must take into consideration, the whole council of God. Don't cherrypick verses and pluck them out of context.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.​

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

Blessings.

You have twisted the meaning of every one of those verses, in a vein attempt to make them support your Arminian theology.

Matt 7:13-14 does not say that those who enter at the narrow gate can lose their salvation. You just made that up didn't you!

In Matt 13:20-21, you twisted the word of Jesus again to support your false Arminian theology. You quote Jesus as saying "they believe for a while" but Jesus never said anything like that. Jesus never said thewy were saved then they lost their salvation.
He said, "they immediately receive the word with joy", in other word they do what most professing Christian, (false converts) do. They answer the alter call and walk down the isle, where they repeat the sinners prayer and they are told that they are saved.
But it was all a big fake show to fool the public, but God is not fooled, nor is He mocked because each will receive what he has sowed.

Then you go and butcher John 15:6 by falsely claiming that Jesus cuts members of His Body off and casts them into the fire. That would make Him a very sick and twisted psychopath, who is into self mutilation. But thank God He is not how you describe Him.

The Lord never ever cuts off members of His Body to cast into he fire. Jesus said, "if anyone does not abide in Me", but you twisted it to make it support your twisted Arminian theology and make it say that those members of His Body who leave His body will be burned.

The Body of the Lord, is not subject to corruption from within. The Lord doesn't graft the wicked reprobate branches into His Body to begin with, He's not stupid. He can't be fooled by the wicked reprobate, so they can never be added to His body, to begin with.

Then you go and butcher 2 Peter 2:20-21 and twist the meaning to make it say something it's not saying at all. You falsely claim that the verses say that "a person was once saved and returned to sin", but the verses never said any such silly thing.

How did you arrive at the conclusion, that those who escaped the pollution of the word through the knowledge of the Lord and saviour, means that they were saved. The bible never makes any such foolish claims at all, those who heard the gospel escaped the pollution (lies of the word) and heard the truth, but they were not believers and they proved it by going straight back to serving their sin and Satan.

So you can't say that those who were always slaves to sin and Satan, were saved and then abandoned God to serve Satan again, that's just rubbish and it makes a mocker of the work of the Holy Spirit, with is the unpardonable sin. So don't go there

None of those others you mentioned were ever saved, Judas was a false convert. That's why it would have been better that he was never born. The others were all false converts as well. And James 5;19-20 was spoken to the brethren, meaning saved men, who may have back slid but they were never lost because God uses His men to shepherd them back in to the flock every single time.

You won't find a single example in the bible where a born again believer loses their salvation. to suggest such a thing is pure demonic doctrine.

 

[Behold]

Matt 24 is not the only passage that speaks to endure till the end (death), I think you know that., if not I will show you.

Do you want to show me Daniel and Mark and some others?

No need.

The Lord wants to see it played out, if our faith holds under any circumstance.

The Trib is not waiting for the born again, its waiting for those who "have not obeyed the Gospel".

The born again have already obeyed it when they BELIEVED IT, as that is how you obey it.
The Trib is related to "the day of wrath" and the born again are "not appointed to that day".

If you find yourself in the Trib, then you are not a Christian, currently......so, once you are there... then be sure to trust in Christ, and do good works, and endure to the end, and prepare to be Martyr'd if you want to go to heaven.

Or, you can give God your faith in Christ now......as "now is the day of Salvation" and miss the Trib, and all that misery.

And remember, that being water baptized is not how you become a Christian.

 

[Behold]

Jesus put these conditions in place. I would be careful.

Im already "one with God". (Born again)

So, you be careful, is my advice.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;

Every born again Christian is already in the KOG..... as every born again Christian is already "seated in Heavenly Places, In Christ" having been "Translated from Darkness TO LIGHT".

Jn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch,

The only way to not abide in Christ is to not be born again.
If you are born again, then you are "IN Christ" so, that is how you abide there.
If you are just water baptized and religious, then you are not "in Christ", you are not born again, and you will go to hell when you die.

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Faith is not the Savior.......so, if you trust in Faith, you're not trusting in Christ.
How is that understood?
Its this... if you are trying to hold unto your faith, to try to stay saved, then you are not trusting in Christ.......you are trusting in Faith, and faith is not the Savior.

1 Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory

Salvation is not a memory.
Salvation is Jesus on THE Cross.

 

[Behold]

Actually Behold,,,I might just recognize them.
BUT
there are some reading along that may not.

Don't you want THEM to know that you have some biblical support?
And Forums are not heretical....
the members beliefs on those forums can be heretical.

Do you know what heretical means?
Most do not.

If you don't wish to post your verses, that's up to you.
Theologians will quote the verse.
Choice is yours.

Maybe.
But JESUS is NOT confused and I just post what HE stated.



Yes. Chapter and verse would be nice with the actual words underneath...
you know....like I do.

You see, the other Forum does this because THEOLOGY is a serious subject matter and should be treated as such.
It's not a place for our personal opinion....
so scripture should be required.

I see. So Jesus was speaking to unsaved Jews and everything He stated BEFORE THE CROSS is not valid for us.

So, please advise us which statements of Jesus are for us?

He taught the Apostles for 3.5 years before the cross.
50 days AFTER the cross.

Not much for us to know then,,,,3.5 years as compared to 50 days.
Guess Jesus meant everything for the Jews.
Perhaps there really is not Christian faith?
Perhaps there really is no church that Jesus began?

I do remember that He did make one important statement regarding this:

John 10:16
16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.


I believe Jesus is saying that He is NOT teaching only the Jews but EVERYONE that wishes to become part of His flock.

A DISCIPLE,,,
a Follower of Jesus....
A FOLLOWER of Jesus....

can go to hell?

Do you understand what a follower is?

Apparently not, or you'd know that a FOLLOWER must obey God.

I don't see any scripture.

Know why?

There isn't any for what you've posted above.

The Christian is "complete in Christ'....Colossians 2:10 (KJV) ... and this means that ALL the born again have received by faith, one time and forever.. = God's Salvation = that is Finished by Jesus on The Cross, 200 yrs ago.
This is why Jesus told you "it is Finished'.
So, when you are trying to keep or finish what He has completed that makes us 'complete in him" then yoiu are certainly not able to understand God's Gift of Salvaiton who IS Jesus on the Cross.
And you'll. keep proving you dont understand it.

Salvation is Eternal Life, and all Christians have received "the Gift of Eternal life".

Eternal Life is not temporary, and its not based on how you behave after you have received it from Jesus, who Himself is our Eternal life.

Salvation is not behavior based, its CROSS of Christ Based........and why this is such a hard thing for most Christians to comprehend, is because they were taught to not understand it by people who didnt and never will.

 

[shepherdsword]

Im already "one with God". (Born again)

So, you be careful, is my advice.





Every born again Christian is already in the KOG..... as every born again Christian is already "seated in Heavenly Places, In Christ" having been "Translated from Darkness TO LIGHT".

This is not speaking of a current state but a future event:

Mt 7:21-22 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

The only way to not abide in Christ is to not be born again.
If you are born again, then you are "IN Christ" so, that is how you abide there.
If you are just water baptized and religious, then you are not "in Christ", you are not born again, and you will go to hell when you die.

The bible doesn't teach that the new birth is the same as abiding in Christ. This is some imaginary concoction. It DOES say that IF you abide in him then you will bear much fruit...and if you do not bear fruit you will be burned

Jn 15:5-6 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Faith is not the Savior.......so, if you trust in Faith, you're not trusting in Christ.
How is that understood?
Its this... if you are trying to hold unto your faith, to try to stay saved, then you are not trusting in Christ.......you are trusting in Faith, and faith is not the Savior.

Once again you greatly err by not knowing the scriptures:

2 Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[JLB]

Being born again for eternity proved we wanted to be Saved.
Being born again proves we are saved, for eternity.

Being in Christ means we are born again, and therefore joined with Christ being one spirit with Him.


Jesus said we must remain in Him.


Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. John 15:2


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


‘If we don’t remain in Christ we surely will wither and die spiritually, because being in Him is being joined to His Life; eternal life.


Here is how the Apostle John instructs us to remain in Him.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

 

[Behold]

This is not speaking of a current state but a future event:

If you are a Christian, born again, then you are born again into God........as "One with God"......."in Christ".
So, you are now "seated in heavenly places"......"translated from darkness, to Light".

See what has happened?
The sinner, has been born again SPIRITUALLY... = as a "new Creation", into the KOG, which is a Spiritual Kingdom.
This is why Jesus said that the "KOG" is "within you"......as He's speaking of Himself.

 

[Behold]

Jesus said we must remain in Him.

You are a long way from your usual Heretics Website that pretends to be "christian", where you usually like to play.

Listen,

There is only one way to enter Christ, so that means there is only one way to remain in Him.
You apparently have no idea how to do it.
So i'll show you.

Keep reading...

You can't work your way into Christ, so, your behavior can't keep you there.

Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. John 15:2

You need to post verses that are actually talking to Christians, vs, verses where Jesus is only talking to the House of Israel.

Learn to "rightly divide" the word.......as you claim to have been a Christian for a long time, yet you still know nothing about Salvation, same as @GodsGrace .

You're just one more carnal Legalist, who is trying to keep yourself saved, because you Dont TRUST IN CHRIST to keep you saved. @JLB

If anyone does not abide in Me,

There is only one way to enter Christ, so that means there is only one way to remain in him, which is to be born again into Christ.

You can't work your way into Christ, so, your behavior can't keep you there.

‘If we don’t remain in Christ we surely will wither and die spiritually, because being in Him is being joined to His Life; eternal life.

There is only one way to enter Christ, so that means there is only one way to remain in him, which is to be born again into Christ.

You can't work your way into Christ, so, your behavior can't keep you there.

Understand yet?

I didnt think so.

Here is how the Apostle John instructs us to remain in Him.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him,

John didnt say that you remain in Christ if you abide in him, so, stop lying.
He said that the proof you are abiding in him, is to bear fruit.

Learn to read @JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

You are a long way from your usual Heretics Website that pretends to be "christian", where you usually like to play.

Listen,

There is only one way to enter Christ, so that means there is only one way to remain in Him.
You apparently have no idea how to do it.
So i'll show you.

Keep reading...

You can't work your way into Christ, so, your behavior can't keep you there.




You need to post verses that are actually talking to Christians, vs, verses where Jesus is only talking to the House of Israel.

Learn to "rightly divide" the word.......as you claim to have been a Christian for a long time, yet you still know nothing about Salvation, same as @GodsGrace .

You're just one more carnal Legalist, who is trying to keep yourself saved, because you Dont TRUST IN CHRIST to keep you saved. @JLB




There is only one way to enter Christ, so that means there is only one way to remain in him, which is to be born again into Christ.

You can't work your way into Christ, so, your behavior can't keep you there.



There is only one way to enter Christ, so that means there is only one way to remain in him, which is to be born again into Christ.

You can't work your way into Christ, so, your behavior can't keep you there.

Understand yet?

I didnt think so.



John didnt say that you remain in Christ if you abide in him, so, stop lying.
He said that the proof you are abiding in him, is to bear fruit.

Learn to read @JLB

Perhaps YOU are the one that should "learn to read".

There are quite a few on this thread telling of the truth of scripture.

Some can accept the truth,
and some cannot.

It would behoove us to accept the truth.

JESUS stated that we are to abide IN HIM
and be fruitful....
or
we would be cut off, taken away, like a branch that dries up and is burned.

JESUS stated this....
simple biblical truth.

Heresy is what YOU are doing Behold.
Heresy is teaching something that is NOT ACCEPTED by mainline Christianity.

§What is mainline Christianity?
§What was taught in the early church....
Not just a couple of hundred years ago...


1 Timothy 4.1
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,


2 Timothy 4:2-4
2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.