Is it possible to lose salvation?

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The teachings of Jesus consistently affirm that salvation is not granted at the beginning of faith, but is the reward for those who remain faithful to the end.

You know nothing about The Cross of Christ as your Threads and posts keep proving and proving and will again @LoveYeshua
You are just a "cut and paste" religious poster.

Now.......GOD's eternal "gift of Salvation" is received by Faith, and the proof that you have received God's Eternal Salvation, is that you are immediately forgiven all your sin and are := born again... spiritually.
This has nothing to do with water baptism.

Salvation is not "earned", and its eternal... its a "Gift" and you dont work for God's Gifts.
Salvation is "Eternal Life" and eternal life is not temporary.

 

[Taken]

to complement, here are the words of Jesus and from Revelations that confirm the believer must endure to the end to be saved—not just believe once, but remain faithful until death.

Yes, a believer.

Salvation is given after an accounted bodily death.

Crucified With Jesus, an accounted bodily death.
They ARE thus prepared to Be Made Saved THEN.
They are called: Are Saved, IN Christ.
They “dwell IN Christs Risen Body”… until their body is risen glorified.

* And He Who is IN Christ ALSO HAS the Greatest Power IN him. THAT he can Never, Not Believe, Fall from Faith.

THEY who “continue to Believe” / Endure by their “own power”, until their Bodily mortal death; “shall be Saved” “then”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They mean as much to me as the words, you see a man is saved by works and not faith alone, mean to you. It's rather simple, faith must include works for it to be salvific therefore, faith alone is no sufficient. Faith alone is unbiblical.

Nahh

I understand the context of James and the licentious people he is preaching too

You can’t see past your legalism

 

[Eternally Grateful]

THEY WERE SAVED AND FELL FROM GRACE THIS IS WHY THEY ARE TWICE DEAD

Good God you can not read Jude and think they were ever saved

I proved in context these men were never saved.

 

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THEY who “continue to Believe” / Endure by their “own power”, until their Bodily mortal death; “shall be Saved” “then”.

When God accepts the Faith of a Believer, their "faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteouenss", by God.
They are then forgiven all sin, and then the Holy Spirit gives them the "new Birth".
They are now become a "new Creation" "in Christ"......>"one with God".. ."seated in Heavenly Places".
THey have received God's Salvaiton.....and this is Eternal.
They are "complete"... Colossians 2:10
A Christian, is not becoming one..... A Christian has become one... as a "Son-Daughter" of God.
Salvation is not a process, its a "New Birth"......a Spiritual Birth accompanied by forgivness of all sin.

 

[nedsk]

Nahh

I understand the context of James and the licentious people he is preaching too

You can’t see past your legalism

All I see are the words James wrote, see that a man is saved by works and not by faith alone. I don't need "context" because I have the words. You need "context" so you can fit his words to your narrative. A heretical narrative at that.

 

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All I see are the words James wrote, see that a man is saved by works and not by faith alone. I don't need "context" because I have the words. You need "context" so you can fit his words to your narrative. A heretical narrative at that.

James is explaining that the fruit of Faith is going to be good works.

In other words, if you have given God your faith in Christ and are truly born again, .. vs just being a water baptised and religious cult member........then if you are truly born again, God is going to produce spiritual fruit through you.

And it can be that a person who is truly born again, loses their focus....... loses their dedication and passion for the Lord over time.
They use to be the first one in Church every Sunday, and now they dont even go anymore.
They use to read the scriptures every day.....and now their bible is dusty, and rotting on a shelf somewhere sitting by their DVD Movie collection.
Jesus refers to these and being neither hot or cold.....so, that is a person with dead faith.
They are still a Christian, but they are WORLDLY and CARNAL to such a degree that they produce nothing that would identifiy them before others........as being a Christian.

So, when James says....>"i'll show YOU my faith, by my works".................these people dont show anything like that to anyone.......because they are Christians....with dead faith.

 

[ProDeo]

your putting people under law

Your saying unless we do something, we will die in our sins.

That's a typical hyper-grace remark.

From gotquestions which is OSAS [!!] we read -

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist.

You know EG, during our talks I noticed a pattern, you say a lot of things but at the same time you quickly bow out on and gloss over sin, I notice the same pattern in your talks with @GodsGrace whenever she speaks about obedience to Christ.

Even in this post of yours, you do, for instance

The law required the spilt blood of an innocent animal. You confessing a sin will not give you redemption from that sin, If it is not paid for by the blood of redemption. You are still dead in your sins.. Confess until your blue in the face. it will not cause one sin to be removed from your debt.

And there you go : hyper-grace.

We are sinners saved by the precious blood of Jesus Christ, my Savior, your Savior. When we are born again we remain what we are sinners and when we sin we are not going to gloss over it, period.

1Joh 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Joh 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Instead you said :

For it is by grace I have been saved through faith (it is a completed action. nothing more needs to be done

Once again, that's hyper-grace.

Whenever you sin, you ask for forgiveness.

But lets look art your gospel

For God so loved the world. that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him, and gets baptized. and follows my commands. and confesses their sins when they sin, and (you get the picture) MAY never die. and has conditional life.

Do you realize what you are saying here ?

According to you :

1. Baptism is not needed for salvation and that's true if you have a good reason for it, but Christ is clear [ Matt 28:19 ] instead you know better and say, no Lord, not needed. --> disobedience.

2. You don't have to follow Jesus teachings ?? --> disobedience, same Matt 28:19

3. You don't have to confess your sins ???

No Lord I don't have to do all that, I am saved, remember Lord? --> © @Eternally Grateful

It is a salvation issue, because it goes to the promise of God

Nonsense, OSAS is not a salvation issue, another sign of hyper-grace.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

All I see are the words James wrote, see that a man is saved by works and not by faith alone. I don't need "context" because I have the words. You need "context" so you can fit his words to your narrative. A heretical narrative at that.

No

You see what you want to see

Abraham was saved decades before the work James discusses. So he was already saved 9declaried righteous) way back in Gen 15.

And paul reiterates in romans 4 this same fact. statin g clearly. Abraham was not found by works.. let he boast.

If you can not study James to understand WHO james is talking to. and why he made such a remark. Then we can not help you

 

[Taken]

When God accepts the Faith of a Believer, their "faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteouenss", by God.
They are then forgiven all sin, and then the Holy Spirit gives them the "new Birth".
They are now become a "new Creation" "in Christ"......>"one with God".. ."seated in Heavenly Places".
THey have received God's Salvaiton.....and this is Eternal.
They are "complete"... Colossians 2:10
A Christian, is not becoming one..... A Christian has become one... as a "Son-Daughter" of God.
Salvation is not a process, its a "New Birth"......a Spiritual Birth accompanied by forgivness of all sin.

Yes…
who, when, what, why…is the point

The journey IS the process.

The result IS the obtained intended goal.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's a typical hyper-grace remark.

Coming from a modern day pharisee I would expect this kind of remark. Not based on fact. just trying to evade the real issue

From gotquestions which is OSAS [!!] we read -

The term hyper-grace has been used to describe a new wave of teaching that emphasizes the grace of God to the exclusion of other vital teachings such as repentance and confession of sin. Hyper-grace teachers maintain that all sin, past, present, and future, has already been forgiven, so there is no need for a believer to ever confess it. Hyper-grace teaching says that, when God looks at us, He sees only a holy and righteous people. The conclusion of hyper-grace teaching is that we are not bound by Jesus’ teaching, even as we are not under the Law; that believers are not responsible for their sin; and that anyone who disagrees is a pharisaical legalist.

Whatever! You will make any excuse you can to ignore the facts.

The facts are if it is of Grace, it is not of works. otherwise. As paul said clearly and I have shown you multiple times now. Grace is no longer grace.

Hyper grace as people are calling it is no different than those Jude condemned. That peter warned about. and that James tried to expose.. rthose who think you can say some sinners prayer. Claim you have faith. and you are saved even though you have never repented. and have no faith in God at all.. (you also think your sins can not condemn you to begin with)

Grace teaches us we are sinners. we are rightly judged. and we have no hope. Only through the cross can we be forgiven. We all have multiple death penalties against us. And the only way those death penalties can be redeemed is by God hanging on a cross..

But you do not understand grace yourself..So I would not expect you to understand this

You know EG, during our talks I noticed a pattern, you say a lot of things but at the same time you quickly bow out on and gloss over sin, I notice the same pattern in your talks with @GodsGrace whenever she speaks about obedience to Christ. Even in this post of yours, you do, for instance

Dude, back off. I am not glossing over sin. If anything I hold sin to a higher accord that you do. so as with many conversations. do not accuse the one your talking to of what you are doing yourself.

James said if I by accident and stumble and break one command, I am cursed.. The law required perfection. If we break one command, we are cursed.

Jesus said be perfect as your faith is perfect. Explaining to the jews if they want to get to God by their own merit, that is what is required.

I do not water down the law like you do.

And there you go : hyper-grace.

We are sinners saved by the precious blood of Jesus Christ, my Savior, your Savior. When we are born again we remain what we are sinners and when we sin we are not going to gloss over it, period.

who said anything about glossing over sin?

Now YOU are falsly accusing, because you have no comprehension of what I am saying.

If your not going to listen. but try to put me in a corner with what you THINK I am saying

Then I will move on and turn you over to God

1Joh 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Joh 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Instead you said :

For it is by grace I have been saved through faith (it is a completed action. nothing more needs to be done

Nope.

It is GRACE

I WAS SAVED BY GRACE.. But God did not force me to receive his gift. I had to receive it in faith

NOT OF WORKS.. Why do you insist you can redeem your death penalty because you went out and did a good deed? Why do you Mock God and the cross? Then accuse me of reducing the affect of sin.

All sin has consequences. But for the believer it is far worse. because we not only suffer the consequences, We suffer the chastening of God, Maybe you have never experienced this and that's why you do not understand it?

Once again, that's hyper-grace.

Whenever you sin, you ask for forgiveness.

I never said otherwise

But me asking for forgiveness does not restore me to salvation. God did not kick me out of his family until I ask for forgiveness.

Do you realize what you are saying here ?

According to you :

1. Baptism is not needed for salvation and that's true if you have a good reason for it, but Christ is clear [ Matt 28:19 ] instead you know better and say, no Lord, not needed. --> disobedience.

Matt 28, Make disciples. baptize THEM

Notice what Jesus said

get them saved first. bring them into the family. then baptize them

2. You don't have to follow Jesus teachings ?? --> disobedience, same Matt 28:19

Now you are falsly accusing again, who said anything about not having to obey

You really need to learn how to properly listen and understand what people are saying

3. You don't have to confess your sins ???

No Lord I don't have to do all that, I am saved, remember Lord? --> © @Eternally Grateful

False accusation.

You should be ashamed.

Nonsense, OSAS is not a salvation issue, another sign of hyper-grace.

you do not want it to be a salovation issue. You want to pump your chest/. Tell God and the world how great you are. and water down the law so you can make yourself think you are ok.

well you will find out one day.

 

[nedsk]

James is explaining that the fruit of Faith is going to be good works.

In other words, if you have given God your faith in Christ and are truly born again, .. vs just being a water baptised and religious cult member........then if you are truly born again, God is going to produce spiritual fruit through you.

And it can be that a person who is truly born again, loses their focus....... loses their dedication and passion for the Lord over time.
They use to be the first one in Church every Sunday, and now they dont even go anymore.
They use to read the scriptures every day.....and now their bible is dusty, and rotting on a shelf somewhere sitting by their DVD Movie collection.
Jesus refers to these and being neither hot or cold.....so, that is a person with dead faith.
They are still a Christian, but they are WORLDLY and CARNAL to such a degree that they produce nothing that would identifiy them before others........as being a Christian.

So, when James says....>"i'll show YOU my faith, by my works".................these people dont show anything like that to anyone.......because they are Christians....with dead faith.

There's your problem you think works are a direct result of faith. They arent. You seem to think works come automatically with faith. They dont. Faith is completed by works just as James says. Faith WITHOUT works is dead. This means people can have faith but if they dont choose to do the works then they have nothing. Faith alone is not sufficient.

 

[nedsk]

No

You see what you want to see

Abraham was saved decades before the work James discusses. So he was already saved 9declaried righteous) way back in Gen 15.

And paul reiterates in romans 4 this same fact. statin g clearly. Abraham was not found by works.. let he boast.

If you can not study James to understand WHO james is talking to. and why he made such a remark. Then we can not help you

Oh course he eas saved decades before James but James is pointing out it wasnt just faith that saved Abraham. You really need to learn to read without comprehension. Faith is completed by works. See a man is saved by works AND not by faith ALONE. If faith was sufficient there would be a need to complete faith. Faith doesnt cause works. People have to choose to feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, clothed the naked, greet strangers, care for the sick and visit people in prison. By choosing to do so they complete their faith just as James said.

 

[Behold]

The journey

Salvaton is not a "journey".

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.
He's not a Journey.....He's your Savior.
And if He saves you, then you are born again, instantly, forgiven all sin, and have received Eternal life, having become a "new Creation in Christ".
That is not a "journey" that is the "new birth" that is restored Spiritual union with God, as "one wtih God"... "in Christ".

What you are talking about is your discipleship, not your Salvation.
Salvaiton is what God has provided as "the Gift of Salvation" who is Jesus......and once you have God's Salvation then your disciplship has begun, and that is a daily "present your body as a living sacrifice to God that is your reasonable SERVICE"......not your Salvation.

 

[Taken]

Salvaton is not a "journey".

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.
He's not a Journey.....

I Never said That!

In respect of Salvation…:

The “Journey” to Receive Salvation “IS” the mans “Journey”…
From natural birth…
Hearing About Jesus…
Learning About Jesus’ Offering of Salvation…
Learning WHAT Salvation means…
Learning HOW and WHEN and WHY a man can Receive Jesus’ Offered Salvation.

Yes it is a Journey…for a man.
Jesus’ Journey … was Coming from heaven to Earth, To MAKE His Offering to manKIND.

 

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The “Journey” to Receive Salvation “IS” the mans “Journey”…

Salvation is what God provides to a sinner, as "the Gift of Salvation"

Once we receive it. by faith.........it is complete till the resurrection , because Jesus completed it on The Cross....and said. 'IT (Salvaiton) is Finished"

We receive "IT".......Salvaiton<... by Faith, and we become born again, a "new Creation"... Colossians 2:10.

So, ALL of that is God Given to us as a "GIFT".

And now that we have been given Eternal Salvaiton, we begin our Discipleship, and that is all the dos and works, and so forth.

 

[Taken]

Salvation is what God provides to a sinner, as "the Gift of Salvation"

Once we receive it. by faith.........it is complete till the resurrection , because Jesus completed it on The Cross....and said. 'IT (Salvaiton) is Finished"

We receive "IT".......Salvaiton<... by Faith, and we become born again, a "new Creation"... Colossians 2:10.

So, ALL of that is God Given to us as a "GIFT".

And now that we have Eternal Salvaiton we begin our Discipleship, and that is all the dos and works, and so forth.

None of that was disputed.

 

[Behold]

None of that was disputed.

Psalm 133:1

Paul teaches us that when all have the "same mind"......regarding the full understanding of God's Grace that is the gift of salvation, then we have become "as many as be perfect".

This is hardly ever found on "christian" forums.......almost never.

 

[Taken]

Psalm 133:1

Paul teaches us that when all have the "same mind"......regarding the full understanding of God's Grace that is the gift of salvation, then we have become "as many as be perfect".

This is hardly ever found on "christian" forums.......almost never.

Aware of the big picture Of /For a mans (spirit) thoughts in his Heart and a mans (minds) thoughts in his Brain…
TO BECOME IN full agreement …

Noting … the meaning of a “man working out his salvation”…IS precisely the man, working on, and continuing to MAKE his own Mind, relent and be In agreement with the thoughts in his (spirit) heart.

Agree rarely addressed.

Also noting, what is widely Addressed… is the medical sciences, broadly called “mental personality Disorders”. Followed by… the Umpteen synthetic concocted compounds, advocated (at outrageous expense), to “sooth / control” negatively secular accepted behaviors of this identified and called…mental Disorder…

Fact is: there is a separation from the Spirit and Minds thoughts… The remedy The Lord God Advocates IS a Permanent Cure without a financial burden, or injury to other body parts.

Medical Science offers expensive synthetic long term usage for temporary soothing… that often is detrimental to other body parts.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus often spoke in parables to reveal deep truths in simple stories. One of His most powerful parables is the Wedding Feast, where He compares the kingdom of heaven to a king who prepares a great banquet for his son. This parable, found in Matthew 22, speaks about God's invitation to His people, their response, and the consequences of refusing or taking His call lightly. It also reveals that while many are invited, only those who come prepared and clothed in righteousness will be accepted. Below is the full parable of the Wedding Feast from the (NKJV)

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The Parable of the Wedding Feast (Matthew 22:1–14, NKJV):​

And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said:​

“The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come.​

Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.”’​

But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them.​

But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.​

Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’​

So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.​

But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless.​

Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’​

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”​

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In this parable, Jesus compares the kingdom of heaven to a king who throws a wedding feast for his son. The king represents God the Father, and the son is Jesus Christ, the Messiah. The wedding is the joyful union between Christ and His faithful people. God first sends out invitations to those already chosen—this refers to Israel, the people who received the promises, the Law, and the prophets. But when the time comes, they refuse to come. Some are indifferent, more interested in their own land or work. Others go further and attack and kill the messengers. These messengers are the prophets and later, Christ’s disciples who preached repentance and the kingdom. Their rejection brings judgment, just as Jesus later weeps over Jerusalem and warns of its destruction, which did come to pass.

After this, the king sends out his servants again, this time to call anyone they can find—good and bad. This shows how the invitation of the kingdom now goes out to all nations. The highway represents the world. Everyone is welcome—regardless of their past—if they are willing to come. The wedding hall fills with guests, showing that the gospel would bring many into the kingdom, including sinners, Gentiles, and those far from God.

But then the king sees one man who came in without a wedding garment. In those times, kings would often provide garments to guests who had none. So this man had no excuse. He had come, but not with respect. He refused to wear what was freely offered. This garment represents righteousness, the clean covering of a changed heart, a life that has turned from sin and honors the Son. The man is speechless because he has nothing to say in his defense. He wanted the feast, but not the obedience. So the king casts him out into outer darkness—a picture of judgment.

Jesus ends with the words, “Many are called, but few are chosen.” This is a sobering truth. God invites many. The gospel goes out freely. But not all accept it, and among those who do, not all remain faithful or enter with reverence. It is not enough to simply hear or accept the invitation. One must come properly, with repentance, and be ready, clothed in righteousness, walking in the light.

This parable is not only a warning to those who reject the call, but also to those who come without truly following Christ. It shows the great love of God—who invites all to the wedding of His Son—but also His holiness, which demands that we respond in the right way. The door is open to all, but the feast is for those who come in truth and remain faithful to the end.