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You’re stuck on James. News flash Jesus and Paul had a lot more to say than James and they taught against salvation by works

If James is all you have. In a Bible full of words. Your in serious trouble
I have plenty more that shows faith alone is useless but clearly James is the bug in your bonnet and you're struggling to avoid him. It's fun to watch you people.

Behind that you and your little friends can all scream a thousand times, the moon is made of green cheese that doesn't make it so. I only need to say once that it's not l. Know why? Because I'm right.
 

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Love for my Father and His Word, which includes His Torah, (which means Instruction).
Ask EG why must you "...now move onto walking in Christ" if the law has "done its job'?
 

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Ask EG why must you "...now move onto walking in Christ" if the law has "done its job'?

That's a good question, but I suspect that when EG returns to this thread it will be answered just because you have already posted the question. That's fine by me, but I am also pretty sure that EG holds the same position on the Torah as most do, that is, that the Torah was only given "to show us what sin is". Nothing could be further from the truth: the Torah is full of Living Oracles, (λογια ζωντα, Acts 7:38).
 

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I have plenty more that shows faith alone is useless but clearly James is the bug in your bonnet and you're struggling to avoid him. It's fun to watch you people.
bring them on. I will discuss those passages openly.. Inlike you who has continually refused to discuss any of the many passages I( have shared with you.
Behind that you and your little friends can all scream a thousand times, the moon is made of green cheese that doesn't make it so. I only need to say once that it's not l. Know why? Because I'm right.
You can claim your saved by works all you want.

If you go in front of God and try to use your works to say why he should save you. You will not like his answer.
 

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Ask EG why must you "...now move onto walking in Christ" if the law has "done its job'?
Because the law can not tell me how to walk in Christ. it can only show how I have failed to walk that way, to expose my sin

To walk in Christ is to follow the law of Love, and to seek after the things of the spirit
 

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That's a good question, but I suspect that when EG returns to this thread it will be answered just because you have already posted the question. That's fine by me, but I am also pretty sure that EG holds the same position on the Torah as most do, that is, that the Torah was only given "to show us what sin is". Nothing could be further from the truth: the Torah is full of Living Oracles, (λογια ζωντα, Acts 7:38).
The law according to Paul

1. It brings a curse to everyone

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

2. Its the reason jesus went to the cross. to redeem us from the curse of the law


Gal 3: 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”),

3. It was given so the blessing that was given to Abraham could be given to all people not just jews


Gal 3: 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

4. Salvation is not through the law. and it can not void the promise made to abraham


Gal 3: 17 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

5. So what is the purpose of the law?


1. It was added because of sin. until the seed should come

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

2. The law can not give life.


21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.

3. The law in effect condemns everyone. it points to all that we all have sinned. so we can all recieve the promise through faith in christ.


22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

4. It kept us all under guard. because it kept us humble. (or it should have) until christ is introduced to us.


23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.

It was a schoolmaster or tutor. who leads us by the hand to christ. that we may be justified by faith (christ took the curse for us)

24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

After faith, we have no further need of the law. It can not help us anymore. because it was not intended too, that was not the purpose.. now we can do as Jesus said and follow the law of love, which holds in it all the law and prophets.

25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

so yeah, EG takes the law as it was given for a specific purpose. and does not take it out of context..

Thats what the pharisees did. and they crucified Christ because of their misapplication and misunderstanding ot the law
 

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Huge mistakes in both your translation and your exegeses of your translation.

Just one catastrophic example:

"24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

No, the Torah has become...

Galatians 3:24 ASV
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
 
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Huge mistakes in both your translation and your exegeses of your translation.

Just one catastrophic example:

"24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

No, the Torah has become...

Galatians 3:24 ASV
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
does not change a thing

If you want to be like christ. Serve others, follow the law of Christ, the law of Love, Seek after the things of the spirit

The law will not and can not help you.. At best if can make you appear you are doing good. when in reality, you are far from it.

Jesus showed how inadequate the law was

The law says, but I tell you.

Sadly we have people today who want to be like pharisees.. and think the law can help them,, when it should have already helped them..
 

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does not change a thing

Speaking for yourself, of course.

The law will not and can not help you.. At best if can make you appear you are doing good. when in reality, you are far from it.

Speaking for yourself at my expense, of course.

Jesus showed how inadequate the law was
The law says, but I tell you.

Hmmm, I hope you are not speaking of Matthew 5 but it sure sounds like you are.

Sadly we have people today who want to be like pharisees.. and think the law can help them,, when it should have already helped them..

Sadly we have people today who despise the Word of the Father while claiming to love his Son, the Word.
 

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Speaking for yourself, of course.
And you also.
Speaking for yourself at my expense, of course.



Hmmm, I hope you are not speaking of Matthew 5 but it sure sounds like you are.



Sadly we have people today who despise the Word of the Father while claiming to love his Son, the Word.
lol

Dude you want to be a modern day pharisee feel free.

You want to take the law out of context. and as Paul said, claim to be a teacher of the law. yet knowing nothing about it. feel free.

You want to be held under bondage of the law feel free. (I know you will deny this is what you are doing, but in essence you hold yourself bondage)

you want to learn how to become a child of God. to grow like a child of God. then come look me Up I will do whatever I can to help you
 

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And you also.

lol

Dude you want to be a modern day pharisee feel free.

You want to take the law out of context. and as Paul said, claim to be a teacher of the law. yet knowing nothing about it. feel free.

You want to be held under bondage of the law feel free. (I know you will deny this is what you are doing, but in essence you hold yourself bondage)

you want to learn how to become a child of God. to grow like a child of God. then come look me Up I will do whatever I can to help you

I already told you I am not a Pharisee and have shown it by other posts in this conversation with you. Most people here know who teaches people to call other people liars to their face. Are you not aware that murders proceeding from the mouth come forth from the heart and defile you? Are you not ware that according to the scripture whosoever hates his brother is a murderer? (and we know that no murderer has eternal life dwelling in him). Please review Mat 15:18-20 and 1John 3:15.

Matthew 15:18-20 KJV
18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

1 John 3:13-15 KJV
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

From a verse you referenced earlier: the Torah is made for murderers and liars.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 KJV
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Get to plucking, chopping, and cutting off those unruly members of your household, as already shown to you from Mark 9, mortify and put to death your members concerning the earthly and of below, as also shown to you from Paul which speaks of the same things. Perhaps you should start with that little member the tongue: Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasts great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set aflame by Gehenna. (Yakob aka James 3:5-6)

Moreover your false judgements have placed you squarely under the Law.

Matthew 7:1-2 KJV
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

Romans 2:1-11 KJV
1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds: [works]
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

You toss the Torah-Word of our loving heavenly Father behind your back, you do not hear the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts, and neither do you even hear Paul or the other Apostles.

In addition to all of that you've already been shown to be the Pharisee-minded one here because most of your interpretations and understandings of the Torah are natural-physical minded and come from their teachings.

In addition to all of that you've ignored the thread topic changing it into a discussion about me personally, a very obvious character assassination verbal assault, and have now destroyed my thread. Why is that? You do not want me to have a voice here, Killer?
 
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I already told you I am not a Pharisee and have shown it by other posts in this conversation with you.
I just call it like I see it. You want us to follow the law which was given to condemn. Like the Pharisees you do not understand this
 

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Because the law can not tell me how to walk in Christ. it can only show how I have failed to walk that way, to expose my sin

To walk in Christ is to follow the law of Love, and to seek after the things of the spirit
And if you dont "walk in Christ" your faith is useless. in other words DEAD just like James says because faith is completed by works.

You have to show from scripture that faith "causes" works. If faith doesnt "cause" works then you have to choose to do them.

BTW Jesus tells you how to "walk in Christ" not the law. Feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty clothed the naked, comfort the sick, visit those in prison. Those that do inherit the kingdom Matt 25: 34-36. oh look not James. LMBO
 
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And if you dont "walk in Christ" your faith is useless. in other words DEAD just like James says because faith is completed by works.
I want to walk in chjrist. Its my new nature. And we are told how to do it

again, Seek after the things of the spirit
and love God and everyone we come in contact with. as all the law and prophets are found in those two commands of love
You have to show from scripture that faith "causes" works. If faith doesnt "cause" works then you have to choose to do them.
No I just have to prove from reality that faith causes works.

If you trust someone, You tend to follow them and work with them

if you do not trust them, you tend to maybe claim you trust them, but your actions prove you do not trust them, because you do not follow them, nor do you do anything they ask.

In fact this is found in scripture.

God tested Abraham long after Abraham was saved.

Gen 22: 22 Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!”

What was this test?

2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”

A type of Christ. With Abraham representing the father, and Isaac representing the son. Remember, Issacs asked where the animal was. Abrahams response was God will supply the lamb

7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”
And he said, “Here I am, my son.”
Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
8 And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.


Abraham said this KNOWING the sacrifice was supposed to be his son, not a lamb.

Abraham went though till the end, Even Isaac had such great faith he did not resist.

God then stopped him and told him WHAT he was tetsing.

11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”
So he said, “Here I am.”
12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

Nothing about salavtion. Nothing about justification. Nothing about Gods imputed righteousness.

the test was. How great did abraham actually trust or fear God. and Abraham passed.

so God re-iterated his promise to him, Abrahams acts showed God was correct in making this covenant between God and abraham. Because Abraham became a man of great faith.


15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

again, absolutely nothing to do with abraham's salvation. Abraham was saved in Gen 15. completely


BTW Jesus tells you how to "walk in Christ" not the law. Feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty clothed the naked, comfort the sick, visit those in prison. Those that do inherit the kingdom Matt 25: 34-36. oh look not James. LMBO
I know how to walk in Christ, I have showed you numerous times.

who is the one who is given the kingdom of God?

Those who are poor in spirit.. blessed are the poor (bankrupt) in spirit. for theirs is the kingdom of God.


Abraham was wealthy in human standard. but realized he was bankrupt spiritually. thats why his faith was in God keeping his promise. knowing he could never give himself what God promised.

Will you have this faith some day?
 

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I want to walk in chjrist. Its my new nature. And we are told how to do it

again, Seek after the things of the spirit
and love God and everyone we come in contact with. as all the law and prophets are found in those two commands of love

No I just have to prove from reality that faith causes works.

If you trust someone, You tend to follow them and work with them

if you do not trust them, you tend to maybe claim you trust them, but your actions prove you do not trust them, because you do not follow them, nor do you do anything they ask.

In fact this is found in scripture.

God tested Abraham long after Abraham was saved.

Gen 22: 22 Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!”

What was this test?

2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”

A type of Christ. With Abraham representing the father, and Isaac representing the son. Remember, Issacs asked where the animal was. Abrahams response was God will supply the lamb

7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”
And he said, “Here I am, my son.”
Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
8 And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.


Abraham said this KNOWING the sacrifice was supposed to be his son, not a lamb.

Abraham went though till the end, Even Isaac had such great faith he did not resist.

God then stopped him and told him WHAT he was tetsing.

11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”
So he said, “Here I am.”
12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

Nothing about salavtion. Nothing about justification. Nothing about Gods imputed righteousness.

the test was. How great did abraham actually trust or fear God. and Abraham passed.

so God re-iterated his promise to him, Abrahams acts showed God was correct in making this covenant between God and abraham. Because Abraham became a man of great faith.


15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

again, absolutely nothing to do with abraham's salvation. Abraham was saved in Gen 15. completely



I know how to walk in Christ, I have showed you numerous times.

who is the one who is given the kingdom of God?

Those who are poor in spirit.. blessed are the poor (bankrupt) in spirit. for theirs is the kingdom of God.


Abraham was wealthy in human standard. but realized he was bankrupt spiritually. thats why his faith was in God keeping his promise. knowing he could never give himself what God promised.

Will you have this faith some day?
Then if faith "causes" good works you arent freely choosing to do them therefore you are not acting out love. You're nothing more than an automaton.

I don't want that faith. I want the faith James teaches, a faith compele by works. Your faith is dead faith. Thanks but no thanks
 
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I want to walk in chjrist. Its my new nature. And we are told how to do it

again, Seek after the things of the spirit
and love God and everyone we come in contact with. as all the law and prophets are found in those two commands of love

No I just have to prove from reality that faith causes works.

If you trust someone, You tend to follow them and work with them

if you do not trust them, you tend to maybe claim you trust them, but your actions prove you do not trust them, because you do not follow them, nor do you do anything they ask.

In fact this is found in scripture.

God tested Abraham long after Abraham was saved.

Gen 22: 22 Now it came to pass after these things that God tested Abraham, and said to him, “Abraham!”

What was this test?

2 Then He said, “Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.”

A type of Christ. With Abraham representing the father, and Isaac representing the son. Remember, Issacs asked where the animal was. Abrahams response was God will supply the lamb

7 But Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!”
And he said, “Here I am, my son.”
Then he said, “Look, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?”
8 And Abraham said, “My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering.” So the two of them went together.


Abraham said this KNOWING the sacrifice was supposed to be his son, not a lamb.

Abraham went though till the end, Even Isaac had such great faith he did not resist.

God then stopped him and told him WHAT he was tetsing.

11 But the Angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!”
So he said, “Here I am.”
12 And He said, “Do not lay your hand on the lad, or do anything to him; for now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me.”

Nothing about salavtion. Nothing about justification. Nothing about Gods imputed righteousness.

the test was. How great did abraham actually trust or fear God. and Abraham passed.

so God re-iterated his promise to him, Abrahams acts showed God was correct in making this covenant between God and abraham. Because Abraham became a man of great faith.


15 Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, 16 and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— 17 blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. 18 In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.”

again, absolutely nothing to do with abraham's salvation. Abraham was saved in Gen 15. completely



I know how to walk in Christ, I have showed you numerous times.

who is the one who is given the kingdom of God?

Those who are poor in spirit.. blessed are the poor (bankrupt) in spirit. for theirs is the kingdom of God.


Abraham was wealthy in human standard. but realized he was bankrupt spiritually. thats why his faith was in God keeping his promise. knowing he could never give himself what God promised.

Will you have this faith some day?

False gospel yet again: the passage in Yakob aka James teaches against what you say.
It isn't hard to understand except for indoctrinated people:

James 2:21-23 KJV
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled [Gen 22:12] which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: [Gen 15:6] and he was called the Friend of God.

Indeed, it was many years after Gen 15:6, but just as the Gospel unto us, Gen 15:6 was only the beginning his faith because the fulfillment of the statement in Gen 15:6 was not fulfilled until his faith was tested in Gen 22, and he was proven by way of obedience to the commandment(s) of the Most High.

The Greek word for faith also means belief; biblical faith and belief do not mean what most people seem to think: scripture belief is the kind which brings a change in the walk of the one who truly believes what he or she hears and understands in the scripture. Hyper dispensationists are a good example, saying they believe in the Meshiah while claiming his all important Testimony in the Gospel accounts "was only for the Jews" and not directed toward themselves.
 
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False gospel yet again: the passage in Yakob aka James teaches against what you say.
It isn't hard to understand except for indoctrinated people:

James 2:21-23 KJV
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled [Gen 22:12] which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: [Gen 15:6] and he was called the Friend of God.

Indeed, it was many years after Gen 15:6, but just as the Gospel unto us, Gen 15:6 was only the beginning his faith because the fulfillment of the statement in Gen 15:6 was not fulfilled until his faith was tested in Gen 22, and he was proven by way of obedience to the commandment(s) of the Most High.

The Greek word for faith also means belief; biblical faith and belief do not mean what most people seem to think: scripture belief is the kind which brings a change in the walk of the one who truly believes what he or she hears and understands in the scripture. Hyper dispensationists are a good example, saying they believe in the Meshiah while claiming his all important Testimony in the Gospel accounts "was only for the Jews" and not directed toward themselves.
Indoctrinated is the exact thing we see here. The words couldn't be more clear but to those who have been brainwashed ....
 
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False gospel yet again: the passage in Yakob aka James teaches against what you say.
It isn't hard to understand except for indoctrinated people:

James 2:21-23 KJV
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled [Gen 22:12] which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: [Gen 15:6] and he was called the Friend of God.
lol. Abraham was saved in gen 15. Not in gen 22.

when will you people realize this, then see your interpretation of james is off base?
Indeed, it was many years after Gen 15:6, but just as the Gospel unto us, Gen 15:6 was only the beginning his faith because the fulfillment of the statement in Gen 15:6 was not fulfilled until his faith was tested in Gen 22, and he was proven by way of obedience to the commandment(s) of the Most High.
Abraham was saved completely in Gen 15

Paul explains this quote well in Rm 4: 4

What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

You see you have a major problem

1. Both quote Gen 15
2. One says with works
3. The other says no works whatsoever


YOU have to resolve the major contradiction between James and Paul if both are talking about being declared righteous or about being actually saved.



The Greek word for faith also means belief;
Yes. But I can believe and not have faith.

Demons believe in one God. but did they trust that on God?
biblical faith and belief do not mean what most people seem to think: scripture belief is the kind which brings a change in the walk of the one who truly believes what he or she hears and understands in the scripture. Hyper dispensationists are a good example, saying they believe in the Meshiah while claiming his all important Testimony in the Gospel accounts "was only for the Jews" and not directed toward themselves.
Biblical faith is easy to find

1. It trusts God completely with their eternity
2. It bring about Gods imputed righteousness (one is now made right with God and God will not impute sin against them)
3. It brings about change in ones life.. If I trust God with my eternity, why do I not trust God to take care of my temporal or spiritual needs ?
4. Since I trust God to take care of my spiritual needs. i am free to service and love other5s. which means my life changes, and I start to produce fruit.
5. We also can know if they do not trust God. by how they act, by how they do not change, and by what they say (they are trusting in self. not in God)



4. Since it trust God in