What happened to the 10 toes in Daniel 2?

[CTK]

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Rome ruled the whole world until it fell. Never again has there been a world ruling nation. Some countries are weak, and some like iron like the United States and England. And the world will stay separated until the second coming. After 1000 years the earth will be destroyed and there will again be a perfect heaven and earth.

Thank you for your response. I certainly agree with you that no other NATION will ever rule after Rome, because God specifically brought forward 4 and only 4 kingdoms from the sea in His plan of restoration / salvation for His people and mankind. However, Daniel tells us that the 4th kingdom will be divided… still only 4 kingdoms but Rome, after its demise in 476AD (7:11), it will be replaced by the powerful Gentile Christian church that began after the cross.

By the time of their demise, the church was very powerful, yet it was still subordinate to the Roman Empire. Then, Imperial Rome would be replaced by this powerful Gentile Christian church that would have the most powerful bishop of Rome at its helm.

This church would not only have power over all religious matters but secular or civil matters as well. He would be given the title of pope or the papacy and this political / religious organization would become known as RCC and prophetically as the “little horn.”

This power would indeed continue until His return … and that is exactly what has occurred.

This is further revealed in the latter chapters of Daniel and Revelation. God has purposefully identified 4 and only 4 kingdoms in His plan and this continues in Revelation.

Thus, if you do not find it in Daniel, you will not find it in Revelation- no US, EU, Turkey, Islam, China, Russia, etc.

Look forward to your response.

 

[Davidpt]

In Daniel 2, God identified the 4 metal kingdoms in His plan of salvation and restoration for His people and mankind. The four kingdoms are quite easily identified (IMO), as:

1) Gold - Babylon,

2) Silver - Medes- Persia,

3) Bronze - Greece,

4) Iron - Rome

Now, we easily can see that God's 4 kingdoms are all constructer of a different metal type.

But within the 4th iron kingdom of Rome, He places a non-metallic element within the feet of this kingdom - clay. And certainly, we all know that clay and any metal does not combine.

In the beginning of chapter 7, God gives us a new set of symbols for these same 4 kingdoms, but now we notice there has been some significant changes, apart from the different symbol, to the iron kingdom. Now, we see an unidentifiable 4th beast kingdom with 10 horns coming out of it. No more mention of the clay and no more mention of the 10 toes.

So what happend to the 10 toes?

I would think the 10 toes are obviously meaning the 10 horns on the 4th beast. Therefore, the 10 toes are still around in Daniel 7 as well as the book of Revelation. Maybe you find it confusing that toes on the feet and horns on the head can be referring to the same thing? According to the book of Revelation horns represent kings.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

If we then allow Scripture to interpret Scripture...

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

The nearest antecedent for these kings meant appear to be meaning the 10 toes meant in verse 42, keeping in mind Revelation 17 interprets these toes/horns to be meaning kings.

 

[CTK]

I would think the 10 toes are obviously meaning the 10 horns on the 4th beast. Therefore, the 10 toes are still around in Daniel 7 as well as the book of Revelation. Maybe you find it confusing that toes on the feet and horns on the head can be referring to the same thing? According to the book of Revelation horns represent kings.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

If we then allow Scripture to interpret Scripture...

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

The nearest antecedent for these kings meant appear to be meaning the 10 toes meant in verse 42, keeping in mind Revelation 17 interprets these toes/horns to be meaning kings.

Well, your comments are quite interesting and enjoyable to read. And you are absolutely correct in that the 10 toes are indeed the 10 horns in chapter 7. And further, they are also the 10 in Revelation.

Let me propose something to you and ask that you might consider:

1) In Daniel, and other books, God will often repeat Himself but He will not use the exact same symbols or phrases to emphasize a certain point of prophecy. And in both Daniel and Revelation, He takes this to another level. Perhaps because they are both the two most prophetic books in Scripture and also perhaps because Daniel is largely speaking of His first coming while Revelation speaks of His return.

2) In any event, we clearly see that God uses both metal and the body parts of a man to identify the 4 kingdoms, but in chapter 7 He identifies the same kingdoms with wild animals. But then again in chapter 8 He uses domesticated animals that one will find within the sacrificial ceremonies on Passover (and that is another whole story).

3) But God is also using this special method of revealing His prophecies in regards to the 10 toes. Here is the transition that God uses to impart so much more information to us just by changind the symbols as they mover through time and kingdom:

a) 10 toes - found in the feet of iron of pagan Rome,

b) 10 horns - found "coming out" of the iron kingdom of pagan Rome,

c) 10 kings - also found in chapter 7 but this time they are on the top of the 4th kingdom beast (no longer just coming out of pagan Rome as in b) above,

d) "saints of the Most High - also found in chapter 7 (and Revelation) after the little horn has come to full power.

1) I would also ask that you might look through the entire Bible and determine that this term "saints of the Most High" is found in no other book or chapter than in Daniel 7. This term does not mean people, saints (martyr's) etc., they have a very specific meaning that means the same as the other 3 symbols - 10 toes, horns and kings.


4) Here is the "thing" - they are ALL the same entity but God is using different symbols as they move through time and through the kingdom of pagan Rome. There will be 4 and only 4 transitions these 10 will go through and each change in symbol is purposeful and extremely prophetic.


5) Regarding verse 2:44 -

44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.

This verse is telling us that God will "set up" His kingdom (earthly kingdom) which shall never be destroyed. This was indeed accomplished when the Messiah, Jesus came to the earth to fulfill His God given mission (9:24). But prophetically in Daniel, He is telling us that within these 4 kingdoms identified in chapter 2 He will come and "set up" His kingdom."

Look forward to your comments and thoughts.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What happened to the 10 toes?

Nothing yet

they have not arrived on the scene of human history

but what will happen is they will be defeated by the return of Christ

 

[CTK]

Nothing yet

they have not arrived on the scene of human history

but what will happen is they will be defeated by the return of Christ

Thanks, but I would ask that you might read my response in #83 and consider it the 10 toes have indeed been on this earth for some time.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks, but I would ask that you might read my response in #83 and consider it the 10 toes have indeed been on this earth for some time.

They are ten kings who will give their power to the 1 king (the antichrist) who will be the reincarnation of the roman empire (the legs of Iron that was in power during Christ day and destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD. The kings are of the kingdom of the future prince, who will defile the sanctuary commiting the abomination of desolation mentioned by both Daniel and Jesus, which will signal the start of the great tribulation period Jesus mentions in Matt 24. which will be a time of such great trouble. that all life on earth will be threatend. Causes Jesus to have to put an end to it. which he does by returning to the earth.

at which time the rock will crush the ten toes of Dan 2, The great beast will be defeated. The final gentile empire will be destroyed and wiped off the planet. with no sign it ever existed. At that same time, Christ will set up a kingdom which will never be defeated.

 

[CTK]

They are ten kings who will give their power to the 1 king (the antichrist) who will be the reincarnation of the roman empire (the legs of Iron that was in power during Christ day and destroyed the city and sanctuary in 70 AD. The kings are of the kingdom of the future prince, who will defile the sanctuary commiting the abomination of desolation mentioned by both Daniel and Jesus, which will signal the start of the great tribulation period Jesus mentions in Matt 24. which will be a time of such great trouble. that all life on earth will be threatend. Causes Jesus to have to put an end to it. which he does by returning to the earth.

at which time the rock will crush the ten toes of Dan 2, The great beast will be defeated. The final gentile empire will be destroyed and wiped off the planet. with no sign it ever existed. At that same time, Christ will set up a kingdom which will never be defeated.

Thanks for your response, but let me ask just one more question... did Jesus "set up" or "establish" His earthly kingdom at His first coming which will not be consumated until His return?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Thanks for your response, but let me ask just one more question... did Jesus "set up" or "establish" His earthly kingdom at His first coming which will not be consumated until His return?

He set up salvation for the world. When he returns he will rule on David’s throne with a rod of iron

 

[covenantee]

He set up salvation for the world. When he returns he will rule on David’s throne with a rod of iron

Colossians 1
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Is that a kingdom?

 

[Jay Ross]

Just a small spanner in the logic being presented.

What entity types are the nations/empires that have dominion over the Land of Babylon in the Statue Prophecy in Daniel 2?

What entity types are the beasts and the little horn exercising their influence over people groups, kingdoms, nations and empires such that when these people groups, kingdoms, nations and empires inhabit the respective dominions of the beasts and the Little Horn in Daniel 7 and 8 that they manifest the dominate given characteristic of each of the beasts and the Little Horn?

If we know the entity types referred to in the above question, then we will have a better understanding of what we are seeing happening in the world today.

PS: - It should be noted that the people, kingdoms, nations and empires ebb and flow in and out of the respective influences of the four beasts and the Little Horn of Daniel 7 and 8 such that we see the influence of the respective beasts and the Little Horn appears and disappearing over time. At this present time, we are seeing the influence of the fourth beast and the Little Horn dominating our headlines around the earth as we are approaching the judgement of the kings of the earth at ARMAGEDDON and the judgement of the heavenly hosts in heaven such that the judged will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days to await the time of their punishment. But who is actually listening to or reading the Word of God.

 

[covenantee]

Daniel 2
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Matthew 12
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

That's quite the small spanner.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He set up salvation for the world. When he returns he will rule on David’s throne with a rod of iron

He already rules on David's throne at the right hand of God as "Lord and Christ", according to Peter.

Acts 2:29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. 34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’ 36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Peter wrote that David prophesied that God made a promise to him that He would RAISE UP the Christ (Jesus, obviously) to sit on his (David's) throne and then Peter said he (David), foreseeing this (the raising up of Christ to sit on David's throne) "spoke concerning the RESURRECTION of the Christ". So, Peter made a direct connection between the RAISING UP of Jesus Christ to David's throne to the RESURRECTION or RAISING UP of Jesus Christ from the dead. Peter said "This Jesus God has RAISED UP" and that was in direct connection to David's prophecy that God would RAISE UP Christ to sit on David's throne. Peter saying that Jesus was "exalted to the right hand of God" and that God made Jesus "both Lord and Christ" was proof that Jesus was raised spiritually to David's throne upon His resurrection from the dead.

 

[Douggg]

At this present time, we are seeing the influence of the fourth beast and the Little Horn dominating our headlines

The fourth beast in our headlines is ? The little horn in our headlines is ?

 

[Douggg]

He already rules on David's throne at the right hand of God as "Lord and Christ", according to Peter.

Acts 2:29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. 34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’ 36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Peter wrote that David prophesied that God made a promise to him that He would RAISE UP the Christ (Jesus, obviously) to sit on his (David's) throne and then Peter said he (David), foreseeing this (the raising up of Christ to sit on David's throne) "spoke concerning the RESURRECTION of the Christ". So, Peter made a direct connection between the RAISING UP of Jesus Christ to David's throne to the RESURRECTION or RAISING UP of Jesus Christ from the dead. Peter said "This Jesus God has RAISED UP" and that was in direct connection to David's prophecy that God would RAISE UP Christ to sit on David's throne. Peter saying that Jesus was "exalted to the right hand of God" and that God made Jesus "both Lord and Christ" was proof that Jesus was raised spiritually to David's throne upon His resurrection from the dead.

David's throne is that of being the king of Israel.

Jesus presently sits on a throne at the right hand of God the Father in heaven.

When Jesus returns, He will sit on David's throne in Israel, and rule the nations with a rod iron - evil will not abound like in our present world.

Jesus will bring the kingdom of heaven to earth to become the kingdom of God over all nations of the the earth. In the Lord's prayer is "thy kingdom come, that will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

 

[Jay Ross]

The fourth beast in our headlines is ? The little horn in our headlines is ?

Dougggggg, I am sorry that your prophetic understanding is lacking in all things.

 

[covenantee]

David's throne is that of being the king of Israel.

Jesus presently sits on a throne at the right hand of God the Father in heaven.

When Jesus returns, He will sit on David's throne in Israel, and rule the nations with a rod iron - evil will not abound like in our present world.

Jesus will bring the kingdom of heaven to earth to become the kingdom of God over all nations of the the earth. In the Lord's prayer is "thy kingdom come, that will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

David's physical throne was destroyed millennia ago by Nebuchadnezzar. Jesus will not be sitting on a nonexistent throne.

Matthew 6
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Present tense in Jesus' Own Words. Fulfilled long ago.

 

[Douggg]

Dougggggg, I am sorry that your prophetic understanding is lacking in all things.

The fourth beast in our headlines is ? The little horn in our headlines is ?

 

[Jay Ross]

@Douggg, you claim that you have great understanding, yet you do not know what the entity type is of the four beasts and the Little Horn, of Daniel 7:1-12, is.

You have claimed, in other threads, that the Anti-Christ will be a Jew but this will not be the case.

As I have consistently posted, the Entity type of the Beasts and the Little Horn of Daniel 7 are evil wicked fallen heavenly hosts, i.e. angels who have rebelled against God.

As such I am not able to positively identify who the Anti-Christ is.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Douggg, you claim that you have great understanding yest you do not know what the entity type is of the four beasts and the Little Horn, of Daniel 7:1-12, is.

You have claimed, in other threads, that the Anti-Christ will be a Jew but this will not be the case.

As I have consistently posted, the Entity type of the Beasts and the Little Horn of Daniel 7 are evil wicked fallen heavenly hosts, i.e. angels who have rebelled against God.

As such I am not able to positively identify who the Anti-Christ is.

we will not know until he defiles a new temple that is not even built yet

But we know he will come from Rome or at least. out of a new roman empire

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

David's throne is that of being the king of Israel.

He is king over all of heaven and earth, according to verses like Matthew 28:18 and Ephesians 1:19-22, and that includes Israel.

How about you address what I said about Acts 2:29-36, Douggg?

Jesus presently sits on a throne at the right hand of God the Father in heaven.

Yes, and, according to Peter, He sits on David's throne. But, He does not sit on any throne literally. This is speaking spiritually of His authority. He also is said to currently sit on the Father's throne (Revelation 3:21), which is heaven itself (Isaiah 66:1) and that is because He has all authority in heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18) and sits at the right hand of the Father above every name that is named with all things under His feet (Ephesians 1:19-23).

When Jesus returns, He will sit on David's throne in Israel, and rule the nations with a rod iron - evil will not abound like in our present world.

No, Peter said in Acts 2:29-36 that Jesus was raised up to sit on David's throne by being raised up from the dead. You should listen to Peter instead of believing what you want to believe.

Jesus will bring the kingdom of heaven to earth to become the kingdom of God over all nations of the the earth. In the Lord's prayer is "thy kingdom come, that will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

That will be the eternal new heavens and new earth that is free of sin and death forever. Peter said we look for new heavens and a new earth in accordance with the fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming (2 Peter 3:13), so why are you looking for something else instead?