Is it possible to lose salvation?

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry but once you have eternal life it is eternal. And as Jesus said , not even you can pluck yourself out of His hand!

WRONG - Jesus never said that.

What He said was that "Nobody" can pluck YOU out of HIS hand. Correct. NOBODY can pluck you out of His hand.
But YOU can jump out of His hand . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

I will take the Word of God over mens philosophy!

Me too . . .

(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

Correct! and as Jesus said:
Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

What God starts--He finishes and not even the great and powerful Bread of Life is going to cause God to cease His work in you! Enjoy the ride and praise God for His incomprehensible love for you!

And we are ALSO told that we will have eternal life IF we “…stand firm”, “…endure to the end”, “…hold fast”, “…continue in my Word”, etc. (Matt. 24:13, John 8:31, Eph. 6:11, Heb. 10:23)

So once again you say there is a sin in your life Jesus did not shed His blood for. So Sorry and sad for you. Come to the Jesus of the bible and know freedom.

That’s NOT what I said.
I said that we are forgiven for ALL of our past sins.

Every future Sini still needs to be repented of when it happens.

and you should learn exegesis, hermeneutics and how to apply the original languages. Then you would know these are not speaking of salvation.

Are YOU trying to say that these verses are NOT talking about eternal damnation??

- “You will be thrown out”

- “… there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”

You REALLY need to take a Beginner’s Bible course . . .

Hey if you want to believe jesus did not die for all your sins that is your business, but it is a lie. And you are buying a lie if you believe that if you die with uncofessed sin- you go to hell.

Jesus dies and paid for ALL of the sins of the world.
However – that doesn’t mean that ALL sins are forgiven.

Forgiveness requires our repentance. And if YOU think you’re without sin – you have deceived yourself and are a LIAR – according to the Word of God . . .

1 John 1:8
"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us".

But I will follow the truth of Scripture that says I will never perish, I am already dead and my life is hid with Christ in God.

Scripture ALSO says that salvation is conditional on out cooperation with God’s grace . . .

- John 15:5-6 “I am the vine; you are the branches. IF you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. IF you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
- Matt 16:24 “Let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me ”.
- John 6:27 “Labor for eternal life ”.
- John 15:14 “You are My friends, IF you do whatsoever I command you”.
- 1 Cor. 15:2 “… by which also you are saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.”

Jesus atoned for my sin- and that means they are all erased! Not 99 44/100% as you theorize butr all of them.

He absolutely atones for ALL sins – 100% of them

Ummm, can you show me where the Bible says that ALL sins are forgiven without repenting of them??
Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

[Behold]

I challenge you to present a single place in scripture where one is not judged by their deeds. name. one. single. place.

First, you are born twice, so that you dont die twice.

See, a Christian, does not face the 2nd Death, because they were born ... Again.....= which is their 2nd birth.. (Spiritual).
If you are never born again, then you will die a second time, as "the 2nd Death", which is eternal damnation.
See, all unbelievers, never born again, who are breathing, are already DAMNED.........John 3:36.. they are already under "God's Wrath".
So, Salvation, rescues you from Damnation.......and this is to be "SAVED".
See, a Christian is SAVED from God's Wrath, from Damnation, from the 2nd Death, From Hell, and from the Lake of Fire that are all related to the "2nd Death".

Christians are not judged for sin, in eternity, because "Jesus is the one time eternal sacrifice for sin",.. and He has been Judged on The Cross for all the sins of a Christian, already.

Now, on earth, if you are living in carnality then you face the consequences for your lifestyle and deeds...
This is "reaping what you've sown".......on earth.........and everyone does and everyone will.

 

[PS95]

First, you are born twice, so that you dont die twice.

See, a Christian, does not face the 2nd Death, because they were born ... Again.....= which is their 2nd birth.. (Spiritual).
If you are never born again, then you will die a second time, as "the 2nd Death", which is eternal damnation.
See, all unbelievers, never born again, who are breathing, are already DAMNED.........John 3:36.. they are already under "God's Wrath".
So, Salvation, rescues you from Damnation.......and this is to be "SAVED".
See, a Christian is SAVED from God's Wrath, from Damnation, from the 2nd Death, From Hell, and from the Lake of Fire that are all related to the "2nd Death".

Christians are not judged for sin, in eternity, because "Jesus is the one time eternal sacrifice for sin",.. and He has been Judged on The Cross for all the sins of a Christian, already.

Now, on earth, if you are living in carnality then you face the consequences for your lifestyle and deeds...
This is "reaping what you've sown".......on earth.........and everyone does and everyone will.

Behold, we agree that we are saved by faith. I know you mean well. BUT--
What do you suppose Paul was saying here about sins that will keep believers from the Kingdom of God?
Paul is writing to believers.
What were they to do about those sins Repent?

Does Paul teach that we have power by the Spirit given to us to kill the deeds of the flesh? Sanctification?
If I refuse to do OBEY and continue practicing the sins (below) do I still get in into the Kingdom, according to PAUL?
WHAT IS PAUL TEACHING?
Take your time and read them slowly and aloud.


For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you. 1 Thes 4:2-8

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, / nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Cor 6

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. --Galatians 5:19-21

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; / each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, / not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thes 4:3-5

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. / Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. Ro 6:12-13

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Ro 8:13

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. --Colossians 3:5

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? Ro 6:16


Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. / Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh. Ro 13

Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:6

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Ro 6:13

 

[Behold]

What were they to do about those sins Repent?

God has taken care of all sin, regarding the born agian.

"God hath made Jesus....to be sin for us".

""Jesus is the One time ETERNAL ... Sacrifice..........for sin".

So, when you read Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19, that say that God does not charge sin (to the born again), then you might be able to understand why.

 

[PS95]

God has taken care of all sin, regarding the born agian.

"God hath made Jesus....to be sin for us".

""Jesus is the One time ETERNAL ... Sacrifice..........for sin".

So, when you read Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19, that say that God does not charge sin (to the born again), then you might be able to understand why.

Yes, Jesus is Savior. .But you have ignored my questions and Paul's words once again. I asked you questions and gave you scriptures all written by Paul. This is not a reply to my questions. Do you have Paul saying two opposite things? Is that what Paul was doing? No.
Can you reconcile those 2 verses with the ones below those or not? Show me?
Here are your verses.....
Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.” Ro 4:8

that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. 2 Cor 5:19

--- and the rest--
For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. 3For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; 4that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, 5not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God; 6and that no man transgress and defraud his brother in the matter because the Lord is the avenger in all these things, just as we also told you before and solemnly warned you. 7For God has not called us for the purpose of impurity, but in sanctification. 8So, he who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you. 1 Thes 4:2-8

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, / nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. --1 Cor 6

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; / idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, / and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. --Galatians 5:19-21

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For it is God’s will that you should be holy: You must abstain from sexual immorality; / each of you must know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, / not in lustful passion like the Gentiles who do not know God; 1 Thes 4:3-5

Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its desires. / Do not present the parts of your body to sin as instruments of wickedness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and present the parts of your body to Him as instruments of righteousness. Ro 6:12-13

But among you, as is proper among the saints, there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed. / Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk, or crude joking, which are out of character, but rather thanksgiving. / For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure, or greedy person (that is, an idolater) has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Eph 5:3-5

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Ro 8:13

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. --Colossians 3:5

Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? Ro 6:16


Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. / Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the desires of the flesh. Ro 13

Flee from youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, together with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 2 Tim 2:22

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Ro 6:6

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Ro 6:13

 

[Behold]

Yes, Jesus is Savior. .But you have ignored my questions and Paul's words once again

I already showed you.

Salvation is the eternal justification of a sinner before God, based on Christ's Sacrifice TO God on behalf of the Sinner.

 

[PS95]

I already showed you.

Salvation is the eternal justification of a sinner before God, based on Christ's Sacrifice TO God on behalf of the Sinner.

You havent shown me anything. I gave you scriptures and asked you to tell me what Paul means. Why wont you do that?

 

[Behold]

You havent shown me anything. I gave you scriptures and asked you to tell me what Paul means. Why wont you do that?

You cut and pasted.
Ok.

So, your verses, talk about working and presenting, and so forth.
No real context.....just "cut and paste".

Salvation has nothing to Do with your behavior or your works.
Nothing.

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.

 

[PS95]

You cut and pasted.
Ok.

So, your verses, talk about working and presenting, and so forth.
No real contexts......just "cut and paste".

Salvation has nothing to so with your behavvior or your works.

Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.

I cut and pasted?? Those are BIBLE VERSES!
Why can't you answer my simple questions?

 

[Behold]

I cut and pasted?? Those are BIBLE VERSES!
Why can't you answer my simple questions?

You cut and pasted bible verses.
Understanding them is not the same thing.

So as i told you.

Salvation is JESUS....... and you can't "lose Him"........as He is IN all the born again..........and He said.. "i will never leave you or forstake you".

Literally..........Literally.........God-Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are become ONE with the Born Again Christian.. forever.

God (through Christ) resolves the sin that is separating the sinner from God, and once resolved, its resolved.

God never charges sin against a Christian.....becasue He's already JUDGED HIS SON for their Sins.

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

 

[nedsk]

If you are saved by your behavior then Jesus didnt need to die on The Cross for you.

You just told Jesus that you are saved by your behavior.

That's pretty amazing Cross Rejecting heresy.


"well i didnt mean"....

Bujt its what you said.......you said you are "saved by your behavior"...as "a Christian person is proclaiming that we are not saved by our behavior"..... ....as if Jesus's Blood and Death are nothing.

And James said, see that a man is saved by works and not by faith alone. You couldnt care less what scripture says.

 

[nedsk]

Here's what I mean Behold:
WE ARE SAVED BY OUR BEHAVIOR.

Paul taugth we are saved by our behavior...you might have missed it.

Romans 2:
5But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,
6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:
7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;
8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.


Jesus taught we will be judged by our behavior....you might have missed it.

John 5:28-29
25“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26“For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;
27and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

How could God have made in any clearer?

 

[nedsk]

You cut and pasted bible verses.
Understanding them is not the same thing.

So as i told you.

Salvation is JESUS....... and you can't "lose Him"........as He is IN all the born again..........and He said.. "i will never leave you or forstake you".

Literally..........Literally.........God-Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are become ONE with the Born Again Christian.. forever.

God (through Christ) resolves the sin that is separating the sinner from God, and once resolved, its resolved.

God never charges sin against a Christian.....becasue He's already JUDGED HIS SON for their Sins.

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

Prove you have the final and authoritative understanding of scripture.

 

[Behold]

And James said, see that a man is saved by works and not by faith alone.

"Justification by faith without works".

A person is Saved by JESUS......not by works.

 

[Behold]

Prove you have the final and authoritative understanding of scripture.

Paul's Doctrine is the final authority, regarding Church Doctrine.
This is why He wrote most of the NT Epistles.
This is why Peter said that Paul's letters are Scripture, long before a BIBLE was created.
All i teach is Pauline Theology.

 

[PS95]

You cut and pasted bible verses.
Understanding them is not the same thing.

So as i told you.

Salvation is JESUS....... and you can't "lose Him"........as He is IN all the born again..........and He said.. "i will never leave you or forstake you".

Literally..........Literally.........God-Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are become ONE with the Born Again Christian.. forever.

God (through Christ) resolves the sin that is separating the sinner from God, and once resolved, its resolved.

God never charges sin against a Christian.....becasue He's already JUDGED HIS SON for their Sins.

Romans 4:8
2 Corin 5:19
John 3:17

I looked each verse up first. So? Why is that wrong?
I do understand them, Behold!!

The reason I am asking you is because you deny what Paul wrote by insisting a believers sins don't get in the way of entering the Kingdom of God. That is not true is it? Is that what Paul taught? NO.
I know you have been taught all sins are gone and sins cant effect salvation. But it is not what the bible teaches. It is NOT what Paul taught. Man teaches that. I am not your enemy here.
Why wont you address those verses? They dont say what you want them to say. I thought only Paul taught the true gospel according to you?
They do not contradict what those other verses say, unless you misunderstand the ONE and only gospel. Yes, I say you do misunderstand the one and only gospel that can save your soul.
Jesus did not go to the cross so that He could save us from our sins only to have us continue living enslaved to sins. Never may that be so!!
WHAT IS PAUL TEACHING THERE ? Believers who sin don't enter the Kingdom? How could that be if Jesus died so we could just live how e forgiven all of our sins even future sins?
Please take the time to read them out loud and ask yourself what he is saying. It matters.
I'm hoping to get you to see that you disagree with Paul- which is why you ignore what he wrote.
Until you admit that there is a problem with your understanding and Paul's writings, I can't help you to understand.

 

[Muna]

Heres a few

Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Paul on those who have been washed here

1Cr 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Peter on a sow that has been washed turning again to wallowing in the mire

2 Peter 2:20-22 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome,
the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Jesus

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

 

[nedsk]

"Justification by faith without works".

A person is Saved by JESUS......not by works.

Citation. you have no authority

 

[nedsk]

Paul's Doctrine is the final authority, regarding Church Doctrine.
This is why He wrote most of the NT Epistles.
This is why Peter said that Paul's letters are Scripture, long before a BIBLE was created.
All i teach is Pauline Theology.

You teach nothing. I said prove you have authoritative understanding of scripture. Telling me all you "teach" is Pauline theology is meaningless if you cant show you have an authoritative understanding of Pauline theology. Its your pride that makes you one of the least appealing "Christians" ive ever run across and believe me I've dealt with tons of you so called "bible believing " christians

 

[amigo de christo]

I beleive the far better question is
can one beleive they have salvation and yet be decieved .
Well , what JESUS does one follow . cause if one follows another jesus
GUESS WHAT They dont have . SALVATION .
so i do highly suggeset the increase of prayer and bible reading for ourselves .
cause many follow a jesus that has created a huge broad sin accepting fake love preaching road .
and that jesus cannot give them salvation . HEAVY DAMANATION is what awaits .
What JESUS do we love and beleive and trust .
CAUSE THAT SURELY DOES MATTER .
BIG TIME .