How many kingdoms in Daniel?

[Keiw]

No signs show that.

The trib hasn't even started so we are not near the end.

The fall of Babylon the great triggers the tribulation. Can't you see the world is falling apart quickly, disasters all over the earth going on=the pangs of distress. Its not going to get better just worse. Jesus compared these last days to Noah's day( 99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26)-- Satan mislead mortals from their beginning, and continues to do so=The god of this system of things( 2Cor 4:4) He and his teachers transform into angels of light( 2Cor 11:12-15)

 

[Keiw]

Keiw-
is that a JW "new light"? I always remember the JW teaching was "babylon" fell and was judged back in 1919.
JW babylon = all organized religion except the jw organization)

here is a watchtower quote-

" Babylon the Great was their relentless enemy and would have to be exposed as fallen. True worship would have to be restored among the nations. Those intrepid Christians intensified their house-to-house ministry. They also paraded publicly, exposing false religion with placards that stated: “Religion Is a Snare and a Racket” and, “Serve God and Christ the King.” False religion still continued to flourish and function, as it had done in ancient Babylon, but in relation to Jehovah’s Witnesses, Babylon the Great had fallen in 1919....
Yes, it is time to sever all affiliations with false religion. But if we get out of Babylon the Great, where must we turn? To Jehovah’s true worship in association with his witnesses."

The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom 1989

JW,s know Babylon the great = worldwide false religions. Thus many stand to this day, thus we do not teach Babylon the great has fallen,) but know its close.

 

[PS95]

JW,s know Babylon the great = worldwide false religions. Thus many stand to this day, thus we do not teach Babylon the great has fallen,) but know its close.

I know you teach that Christianity is a part of babylon and only JWS aren't --but I asked if it was new light since you say it will fall because they used to teach it did fall in 1919. see the quote? I didn't look for more quotes but I can if you need them.

 

[PS95]

JW,s know Babylon the great = worldwide false religions. Thus many stand to this day, thus we do not teach Babylon the great has fallen,) but know its close.

Happy 67th btw..

 

[Keiw]

I know you teach that Christianity is a part of babylon and only JWS aren't --but I asked if it was new light since you say it will fall because they used to teach it did fall in 1919. see the quote? I didn't look for more quotes but I can if you need them.

It hasn't fallen yet, its coming.

 

[Keiw]

Happy 67th btw..

TY, but i don't celebrate and i am 29 for the 40th time=68

 

[PS95]

It hasn't fallen yet, its coming.

so there has been "new light" on this? I didnt know..

 

[PS95]

TY, but i don't celebrate and i am 29 for the 40th time=68

I know you don't.
Just the same- Happy 40th x 29.

 

[ewq1938]

The fall of Babylon the great triggers the tribulation.

No it doesn't. Babylon is only riding the beast (in power) while the beast is in power which is for the 62 months which is the trib. Babylon does not fall until the end of the trib when everything for the beast starts to fall apart right before Amrageddon.

Can't you see the world is falling apart quickly, disasters all over the earth going on=the pangs of distress. Its not going to get better just worse. Jesus compared these last days to Noah's day( 99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26)-- Satan mislead mortals from their beginning, and continues to do so=The god of this system of things( 2Cor 4:4) He and his teachers transform into angels of light( 2Cor 11:12-15)

Cool but you still have the timing of the fall of Babylon wrong, and likely don't know who/what she is.

 

[Keiw]

No it doesn't. Babylon is only riding the beast (in power) while the beast is in power which is for the 62 months which is the trib. Babylon does not fall until the end of the trib when everything for the beast starts to fall apart right before Amrageddon.





Cool but you still have the timing of the fall of Babylon wrong, and likely don't know who/what she is.

I know 100% i am correct on that matter. This is why it triggers the trib= The Merchants stand at a distance and mourn the fall of Babylon the great( worldwide false religions)= Why? Because their shelves remain full.= no more religious holidays. That means factory shelves remain full= worldwide layoffs all at once on top of all the disasters.

 

[ewq1938]

I know 100% i am correct on that matter.

I explained how you cannot be correct. Babylon falls at the end of the trib, but before that she is in power, riding the beast while it is in power which is the time period of the trib.

 

[Keiw]

I explained how you cannot be correct. Babylon falls at the end of the trib, but before that she is in power, riding the beast while it is in power which is the time period of the trib.

Riding the beast= untaxed religionsssssssssssssssss--her fall triggers the tribulation.

 

[ewq1938]

Riding the beast= untaxed religionsssssssssssssssss--her fall triggers the tribulation.

But she is not even in power before the trib. She represents the false religion of the beast, which does not defacto exist until the beast arrives and claims to be god. Neither the beast (both of them) and Babylon are in power prior to the trib. Babylon cannot fall until after being in power.

 

[Keiw]

But she is not even in power before the trib. She represents the false religion of the beast, which does not defacto exist until the beast arrives and claims to be god. Neither the beast (both of them) and Babylon are in power prior to the trib. Babylon cannot fall until after being in power.

What are you kidding--At the tower of Babel-God confused their language--The false religions spread throughout the Earth=Babylon the Great harlot.
The beast stands here at Rev 13--The fall of babylon is more like Rev 18

 

[ewq1938]

What are you kidding--At the tower of Babel-God confused their language--The false religions spread throughout the Earth=Babylon the Great harlot.

No, none of those are the Babylon we see rise to power during the trib in Rev. That Babylon does not fall prior to the trib.

 

[Keiw]

No, none of those are the Babylon we see rise to power during the trib in Rev. That Babylon does not fall prior to the trib.

God will show the world.

 

[Wish-it]

The first beast is not a nation( country) it is represented by 10 horns. A horn is a kingdom( country) thus more like a place where kingdoms gather together.

Rev 17.12 The ten horns you saw are ten kings, who have not received a kingdom.

 

[Wish-it]

The mark controlling buying and selling is clearly on a personal level not national like you are describing. If a person has the mark, they (that one person) can buy or sell but another person without the mark cannot.

The shadada, could be the mark, its certainly something that Christians hopefully would not recite.
https://x.com/thetiki71/status/1955267226669326734?t=4D5JytpBYWvGH2LKU2TS0Q&s=01

The shagada is being required to say, "I bear witness that there is no god but God, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of God."

Check the 5 pillars of Islam.
Note the zakat.

 

[ewq1938]

The shadada, could be the mark,

How could that possibly be related to the mark being placed in the right hand or forehead? The mark is not something spoken.

 

[Wish-it]

How could that possibly be related to the mark being placed in the right hand or forehead? The mark is not something spoken.

Check the composition of the beast of Rev 13, a mixture of the Dan 2 and Dan 7 nations. Look at the heads of Rev 13.1 and on each head a blasphemous name.
See what jihadist were on the head bandanas. Look at the video, Islamicists requiring new converts to say the shahada or not being able to get medical treatment (buying or selling maybe).
Watch your TV, which domineering faith seems terrifying frightening and very powerful? Who is filling Europe, and the western countries, and pressing their cause? Who are all the nations surrounding Israel? Who wants to eliminate Israel?