Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Behold]

they DO teach the gospel.

Actually the CC teaches "Baptismal Regeneration" which is a false gospel.

 

[GodsGrace]

Let me know what comes to mind when you see the phrases i next type .
GOD IS LOVE , god is love
FREEDOM , freedom
UNITY , unity
LIBERTY , liberty
BELIEVE , believe
And i an do this with any word .
Why was on capitlized and the other was not
and WHY does the overwhemling excessive vast majority of christendom now follow the lower case .
That should scare the socks right off of this generation .
Here is another
JESUS , jesus
GOD , god .

Every word you capitalized is found in the NT.
Even the word FREEDOM...Paul said that we have liberty, freedom,,,,but not to abuse it.
Galatians 5:13
13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

Every word you posted can be taken out of context and made to mean something different.

For instance.
GOD IS LOVE.
But He is also JUST.

We are to be united...
but with WHO?

Right.
We've lost the meaning of some words.

 

[Behold]

But if Paul says we could stray from the faith...

It DOES mean we HAD the faith, but then HAD IT NO MORE.

Cold faith, lukewarm faith...dead faith........

Faith didnt save us.......so, if we have a faith issue, after we are born again, then we have it being born again.
A Faith crisis does not affect the "new Creation" "IN Christ".
And if you do have this issue, and its very common.....then.. God is faithful.....and He always keeps us saved.
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New International Version if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. New Living Translation If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is. English Standard Version if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself. Berean Standard Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Berean Literal Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself. King James Bible If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. New King James Version If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. New American Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1995 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1977 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; for He cannot deny Himself. Legacy Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Amplified Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful [true to His word and His righteous character], for He cannot deny Himself.

 

[GodsGrace]

Actually the CC teaches "Baptismal Regeneration" which is a false gospel.

The Early Apostlic Fathers believed in Baptismal Regeneration.
I believe we're saved as soon as we decide to worship God.
I believe the Holy §Spirit will work within us to change us.
I also believe that we're to do what Jesus commanded, and getting baptized was one.

You should do some study on the very early church...
baptism seems to have been very important - I don't really understand why.
They DID believe it saved.

But ... you misspoke.
Baptismal regeneration is not a false gospel...
it's a false doctrine.

The gospel is the same.

 

[Behold]

The Early Apostlic Fathers believed in Baptismal Regeneration.

Paul didnt.

I believe we're saved as soon as we decide to worship God.

You are saved as soon as God receives your faith in Christ., because our "faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) righteousness" on our behalf.

A lot of people who are unsaved, can enjoy a nice church service for 40 yrs.... and can worship right along , and enjoy it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Cold faith, lukewarm faith...dead faith........

Faith didnt save us.......so, if we have a faith issue, after we are born again, then we have it being born again.
A Faith crisis does not affect the "new Creation" "IN Christ".
And if you do have this issue, and its very common.....then.. God is faithful.....and He always keeps us saved.
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New International Version if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. New Living Translation If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is. English Standard Version if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself. Berean Standard Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Berean Literal Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself. King James Bible If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. New King James Version If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. New American Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1995 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1977 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; for He cannot deny Himself. Legacy Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Amplified Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful [true to His word and His righteous character], for He cannot deny Himself.

Goodness Behold....2 Timothy 2:13 doesn't mean what you're posting.
It just means that God will be faithful to Himself by keeping His promise.

This is from Ellicott's Commentary - I dislike commentaries but it explains this really well.

Yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.—Those who have understood these words as containing soothing, comforting voices for the sinner, for the faithless Christian who has left his first love, are gravely mistaken. The passage is one of distinct severity—may even be termed one of the sternest in the Book of Life; for it tells how it is impossible even for the pitiful Redeemer to forgive in the future life. “He cannot deny Himself”—cannot treat the faithless as though he were faithful—cannot act as though faithfulness and faithlessness were one and the same thing. The Christian teacher, such as Timothy, and the members of his flock likewise, must remember that, sure and certain as are the promises of glory and happiness to those who love the Lord and try to live His life, so surely will fall the chastisement on all who are faithless and untrue.

source: 2 Timothy 2:13 Commentaries: If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul didnt.



You are saved as soon as God receives your faith in Christ., because our "faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) righteousness" on our behalf.

A lot of people who are unsaved, can enjoy a nice church service for 40 yrs.... and can worship right along , and enjoy it.

The unsaved do not worship God.

I'm sure you know what WORSHIP means.
It does NOT mean going to church.

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul didnt.

Jesus had 12 Apostles (incl Paul, excluding Judas).

This is not a topic I care to get into.
Jesus said to be baptized....
I go by that.

You are saved as soon as God receives your faith in Christ., because our "faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) righteousness" on our behalf.

A lot of people who are unsaved, can enjoy a nice church service for 40 yrs.... and can worship right along , and enjoy it.

 

[GodsGrace]

There is no difference.
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Those persons look like they're worshipping Mary.
They're not supposed to.

The CC does NOT teach the laity to worship Mary...
however, they do it anyway (Mary should be venerated).

What I dislike is that the CC does not DISCOURAGE this "worshipping" of Mary.
Seems like they got themselves into a corner and can't get out of it.

Like I say Behold,,,,incorrect doctrine will always cause problems.
This is the perfect example.

I don't know about Mary...
but I know about baptism...
the CC has always entertained the idea of baptizing adults...
but they get too much push-back from the laity and so let it go.

 

[GodsGrace]

All verses are useful, but not all verses are Church Doctrine.

For exmaple, when Paul caused a Male Witch to go blind......, is not a verse that is directed at a Christain, at all.

We have to be careful that we dont AIM verses at ourselves that are given to Jews, under the Old Covenant., as this is not NT Church Doctrine......and the NT has a lot of this in it.

But this is history and not a teaching....
I don't think we're supposed to have the idea that we could make male witches go blind.

 

[amigo de christo]

Every word you capitalized is found in the NT.
Even the word FREEDOM...Paul said that we have liberty, freedom,,,,but not to abuse it.
Galatians 5:13
13For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.

Every word you posted can be taken out of context and made to mean something different.

For instance.
GOD IS LOVE.
But He is also JUST.

We are to be united...
but with WHO?

Right.
We've lost the meaning of some words.

You are correct my friend .
but let me sum it up real simple for us all .
SATAN himself can use all them words and phrases
YES
the serpent himself can come and say judge not , dont hate
GOD is love and yet the whole time be using these phrases
to DECIEVE . oh yes . OH YES he can . AND i see most of all christendom
has now going right into that direction .
Liberty . ye have been called unto liberty , ONLY USE NOT that liberty as an ocassion to serve the flesh .
YET MANY HOLLER we aer FREE , WE HAVE FREEDOM , WE HAVE LIBERTY
but from what , THEY ALL LOVE THIER SIN , THEY ALL STILL BE IN BONDAGE
and at most only use phrases like love
and unity and etc TO SERVE A FAT LIE and to decieve . Its far worse than i think even you know my friend .
GETTING real bad it is and has .

 

[amigo de christo]

Those persons look like they're worshipping Mary.
They're not supposed to.

The CC does NOT teach the laity to worship Mary...
however, they do it anyway (Mary should be venerated).

What I dislike is that the CC does not DISCOURAGE this "worshipping" of Mary.
Seems like they got themselves into a corner and can't get out of it.

Like I say Behold,,,,incorrect doctrine will always cause problems.
This is the perfect example.

I don't know about Mary...
but I know about baptism...
the CC has always entertained the idea of baptizing adults...
but they get too much push-back from the laity and so let it go.

The time is and now is that we must
never once in any way downtone and downplay the deadly dangers of any false doctrine
and any place that so teaches it .
THEY DO WORSHIP MARY and DO SO IN TOTAL ERROR .
They pray to angels , they pray to saints , they pray to mary
AND ITS ALL blasphemy . OH mary was to be called most blessed . NO DOUBT about that
BUT if mary herself were allowed to speak to the RCC
IF PETER himself were allowed to speak to the RCC
IF paul or any other apostel were suddenly allowed to speak to such a place
The correction they gave would have terrified many as well as the call they made to all , COME YE OUT of such places .
I am telling you we got major problems . AND IT AINT JUST the RCC
WEEP and howl its the realm of protestant land too .

 

[GodsGrace]

The time is and now is that we must
never once in any way downtone and downplay the deadly dangers of any false doctrine
and any place that so teaches it .
THEY DO WORSHIP MARY and DO SO IN TOTAL ERROR .
They pray to angels , they pray to saints , they pray to mary
AND ITS ALL blasphemy . OH mary was to be called most blessed . NO DOUBT about that
BUT if mary herself were allowed to speak to the RCC
IF PETER himself were allowed to speak to the RCC
IF paul or any other apostel were suddenly allowed to speak to such a place
The correction they gave would have terrified many as well as the call they made to all , COME YE OUT of such places .
I am telling you we got major problems . AND IT AINT JUST the RCC
WEEP and howl its the realm of protestant land too .

Anything that removes our attention from Jesus is, to say the least, not good.
I do want to say that Catholics teach Mary too much....
but we Protestants don't give her enough honor.
She IS to be honored.

 

[amigo de christo]

But this is history and not a teaching....
I don't think we're supposed to have the idea that we could make male witches go blind.

Always remember any leaven that is just swept under the rug
IT AINT GONNA DISSAPPEAR
ITS GONNA GROW TILL THE whole be leavend .
Error can never bring truth . and if error is left
IT BEGETS ONLY MORE ERROR .
TIME to make our stand right now and today .
To do all to correct any and all error and leaven .
And time to also do what they did
When a man or woman heeds not the correction . PUT THEM OUT OF THE CHURCH . PUT THEM OUT
THERE IS A DARN GOOD reason for this .
I know to this generation that sounds like hate speech now
But sadly SO DOES A LOT OF GODS OWN HOLY WORDS IN THAT BIBLE .
ITS GETTING worse . GODS GRACE , ITS GETTING WORSE . we gotta DO SOMETHING NOW .
i have begged and pleaded for people to help me . But most wont .
And worse still most simply see me as an overzealous legalistic pharisee
who knows neither GOD or love . BUT TIS THEY who knows neither GOD OR HIS LOVE OR THE TRUTH .
WE make our stand now . we make our last stand now . DO what is best for this people .
AND ONLY TRUTH IS BEST FOR THEM . ANYTHING contrary to GOD IS NO GOOD , it does not HONOR HIM
and it will literally destroy this people . TIME to do . TIME to stand now .

 

[amigo de christo]

Anything that removes our attention from Jesus is, to say the least, not good.
I do want to say that Catholics teach Mary too much....
but we Protestants don't give her enough honor.
She IS to be honored.

THEN remind the protestants . BUT WHATEVER YA DO dont try and even lead them in the direction OF THE CC .
we can correct any and all errors without leading anyone into dangerous places .
IN FACT to lead and to encourage them to even go into such places , IS TOTAL TRAIN WRECK CITY for them .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus had 12 Apostles (incl Paul, excluding Judas).

This is not a topic I care to get into.
Jesus said to be baptized....
I go by that.

just a reminder JESUS did have twelve apostels
and after judas fell , MATHIAS became number twelve . Yes this sheep reads and enjoys the bible .
Paul was another apostel but not of the twelve per say .
Though THEY ALL WERE OF JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Goodness Behold....2 Timothy 2:13 doesn't mean what you're posting.
It just means that God will be faithful to Himself by keeping His promise.

This is from Ellicott's Commentary - I dislike commentaries but it explains this really well.

Yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.—Those who have understood these words as containing soothing, comforting voices for the sinner, for the faithless Christian who has left his first love, are gravely mistaken. The passage is one of distinct severity—may even be termed one of the sternest in the Book of Life; for it tells how it is impossible even for the pitiful Redeemer to forgive in the future life. “He cannot deny Himself”—cannot treat the faithless as though he were faithful—cannot act as though faithfulness and faithlessness were one and the same thing. The Christian teacher, such as Timothy, and the members of his flock likewise, must remember that, sure and certain as are the promises of glory and happiness to those who love the Lord and try to live His life, so surely will fall the chastisement on all who are faithless and untrue.

source: 2 Timothy 2:13 Commentaries: If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

a lot of folks dont catch that . But some of us by the grace of GOD who do so love to read our bibles
Learned that for myself .
PEOPLE behave as though SOMEHOW JESUS AINT GONNA DENY THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT ON HIM .
THEY TWIST THIS ENTIRE meaning .
But the truth is JESUS IS GONNA DENY THEM , HE CANNOT DENY HIS OWN RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT
HE cannot DENY HIMSELF . THIS was meant AS A DIRE WARNING
and not rather as many who try and use it to PREACH TOTAL NONSENSE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Anything that removes our attention from Jesus is, to say the least, not good.
I do want to say that Catholics teach Mary too much....
but we Protestants don't give her enough honor.
She IS to be honored.

on those feet . i told us by grace that GOD did put me into that bible
and in it i have loved to stay . reading such lovely words for hours daily
every day for now over nineteen years .
NOW DONT think i wrote that to make yall TRUST IN ME
OR to make it seem as though I OUGHT not to be tested .
NO i wrote it for one reason , TO let us know
THAT IF GOD could save the worst of men like me
AND CAN CHANGE THE WORST OF MEN LIKE ME
and PUT A WHOLE NEW DESIRE into the heart of man .
HE CAN DO IT FOR ANYONE . WE JUST NEED to get in the bible for ourselves to learn

 

[GodsGrace]

a lot of folks dont catch that . But some of us by the grace of GOD who do so love to read our bibles
Learned that for myself .
PEOPLE behave as though SOMEHOW JESUS AINT GONNA DENY THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT ON HIM .
THEY TWIST THIS ENTIRE meaning .
But the truth is JESUS IS GONNA DENY THEM , HE CANNOT DENY HIS OWN RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT
HE cannot DENY HIMSELF . THIS was meant AS A DIRE WARNING
and not rather as many who try and use it to PREACH TOTAL NONSENSE .

Right.
If 2 Timothy 2:13 meant what some think it means,
it would be in total conflict with 2 Timothy 2:12


2 Timothy 2:13
13If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.


2 Timothy 2:12b
12... If we deny Him, He also will deny us;


Plain and simple.
12b says that God will deny us.

13 SEEMS to say God will remain faithful...
BUT TO HIMSELF !

To what HE teaches.
What God teaches is that He will not deny us IF we do not deny Him.

He will remain faithful to Himself....
He will give life to those that believe and endure....
Not to those who do not believe when they die...
we must be believing at our time of death.

 

[Rich R]

Jesus meant every word He said for every single believer in Him.
He didn't change His mind after the cross.

Jesus had other sheep:

John 10:16
16“I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Well, Jesus really said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." That seem clear enough to me. I myself was never part of the house of Israel.

Jesus came to change the world.
This is not accomplished by teaching only the Jews.

True. Jesus did come to change the world. And, as you say it wasn't teaching only to the Jews. The change came at his

During Jesus ministry, the law was very much in effect. Otherwise his statement that he came to fulfill the law would have no meaning. Now we are not under law. To whatever degree we do God's will is not out of obligation to law, but out of love and thanksgiving for everything He did for us through His son, Jesus Christ. Jesus did not change the world while he was walking this earth. He changed it at the resurrection.

Jesus spoke to all peoples of all nations that would become followers of His.

Despite tradition, that is not what the scriptures say. Again, they say, "I (Jesus)am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

You are pitting Jesus, GOD, against one of His teachers.
There is only ONE TEACHER....GOD

Heb 1:1-2,

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,​

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2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;​

God speaks through prophets, teacher, evangelist, etc. He very much spoke through Paul. He revealed a different gospel to Paul than He did to the Jews, much like Jesus spoke a different gospel than that of Moses. If things didn't change as God's plan of redemption unfolded, we'd all be meeting in the temple twice a day for sacrifices. And a bunch of other stuff also. But it's easy to cherry pick which part of the law is in effect and which isn't. It's either all or none (Gal 5:3).

None of this means somebody was pitted against somebody else.

Rom 16:25-26,

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,​

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26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:​

Col 1:25-27,

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;​

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26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:​

27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory​

The gospel committed to Paul was the good news of the mystery hidden in God until it was revealed to Paul. As verse 27 says, the upshot of the mystery, Paul's gospel, is Christ in you. Nobody had Christ in them until the day of Pentecost. Jesus hinted at it, but it didn't become a reality until Pentecost. .

Matthew 23:8
8“But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.
9“Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10“Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

There is a context to these verses, making them somewhat irrelevant to our discussion.