Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Muna]

All good verses

I've seen that translation, but I don't think it aligns with the Greek. The Greek word is δύναμαι "dunamai" and it means, "to be able or possible." That is how it is used all the time in other verses.

I understand this verse to be saying that the seed which remains in us can not sin. The flesh still sins as Paul says in Romans 7. But, like you said, sin becomes less tasteful for someone walking with God.

Paul does say,

1Cr 15:24 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame

Whereas here Jesus says,

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

And here Paul says in the present

Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

And Paul says in the past

Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

And Paul again says in the present

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have
your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Paul's words (for both the past and present, depending on where they were as he relates to them, whether in the flesh or in the Spirit) and themselves being made free from sin (in which present) would agree with Jesus words in respects to He himself stating that if the Son makes you free (and this is from sin) such a one would be free in deed as both grace and truth come by Jesus Christ.

Which makes great sense also, seeing that sin has no dominion over someone under grace of God that comes by Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Muna]

As for Paul, even he admitted struggling, but he also said, “I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified” (1 Corinthians 9:27). Paul did not think he was automatically secure—he knew that falling away was possible if he turned back to sin.

These go together well

Jesus,

Luke 9:25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Paul concerning himself

1 Cr 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Paul to Timothy

1 Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 

[Rich R]

Paul does say,

1Cr 15:24 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God:
I speak this to your shame

Whereas here Jesus says,

John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

And here Paul says in the present

Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

And Paul says in the past

Rom 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

And Paul again says in the present

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have
your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Paul's words (for both the past and present, depending on where they were as he relates to them, whether in the flesh or in the Spirit) and themselves being made free from sin (in which present) would agree with Jesus words in respects to He himself stating that if the Son makes you free (and this is from sin) such a one would be free in deed as both grace and truth come by Jesus Christ.

Which makes great sense also, seeing that sin has no dominion over someone under grace of God that comes by Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Given that you gave minimal commentary here, that most of what you wrote was scripture, what can I say but, Amen! :)

 

[GodsGrace]

All good verses

I've seen that translation, but I don't think it aligns with the Greek. The Greek word is δύναμαι "dunamai" and it means, "to be able or possible." That is how it is used all the time in other verses.

I understand this verse to be saying that the seed which remains in us can not sin. The flesh still sins as Paul says in Romans 7. But, like you said, sin becomes less tasteful for someone walking with God.

If 1 John 3.9 means that as Christians we will not sin....

Then 1 John chapters 1 and 2 make no sense....
and
John 20:23 makes no sense.

Look at verse 8: he who sins is of the devil.

Can a Christian that commits one sin be of the devil?

So, I believe that it is correctly translated:
HE WHO PRACTICES SIN.....or
HE WHO LIVES IN SIN.

I think that, at some point, we have to trust translators who know the language AND hermeneutics.


@ProDeo

 

[Behold]

If 1 John 3.9 means that as Christians we will not sin....

Then 1 John chapters 1 and 2 make no sense....

Sometimes the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul preached to unbelievers, as that was their Ministry.
So, when they do this in NT verses, dont apply those verses to yourself......such is 1 John 1:9 or Hebrews 10:26.

 

[Muna]

Given that you gave minimal commentary here, that most of what you wrote was scripture, what can I say but, Amen! :)

I agree with the same as well Rich R

And I do try not to say too much (very purposefully) and only because I believe that which is written does a thing far more justice than anything I can personally add especially when you can bring it together by use of the scripture correctly.

Not to forget to mention, being on an open board like this (and not always among freindlys) any one of us at anytime can be subject to attacks similar to these.

Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

So I always think its best to talk a little less (Ec c 5:2, and Matt 22:15)

 

[amigo de christo]

False gospels...yes, that's for sure.
Some sure are not teaching what Jesus taught or any of the §Apostles.
It wouldn't have taken over 3 years to teach the Apostle what Jesus wanted them to know...
all it would have taken was to say " just 'believe' in me and nothing else is necessary"....
but that's not what Jesus taught.

And, it would be very important to know what the word BELIEVE means, but, apparently, some don't care -or they don't WANT to care.

Anyway, you and some others on here are very encouraging or I would have had to stop some time ago...
ProDeo, LoveYeshua, and others that don't come to mind right now. Truly, Shepherdsword...
how come THEY understand and others don't?

There is real deceiving going on in our Christian faith.
Just like was warned.
I think we all know the verses.

Let me know what comes to mind when you see the phrases i next type .
GOD IS LOVE , god is love
FREEDOM , freedom
UNITY , unity
LIBERTY , liberty
BELIEVE , believe
And i an do this with any word .
Why was on capitlized and the other was not
and WHY does the overwhemling excessive vast majority of christendom now follow the lower case .
That should scare the socks right off of this generation .
Here is another
JESUS , jesus
GOD , god .

 

[amigo de christo]

False gospels...yes, that's for sure.
Some sure are not teaching what Jesus taught or any of the §Apostles.
It wouldn't have taken over 3 years to teach the Apostle what Jesus wanted them to know...
all it would have taken was to say " just 'believe' in me and nothing else is necessary"....
but that's not what Jesus taught.

And, it would be very important to know what the word BELIEVE means, but, apparently, some don't care -or they don't WANT to care.

Anyway, you and some others on here are very encouraging or I would have had to stop some time ago...
ProDeo, LoveYeshua, and others that don't come to mind right now. Truly, Shepherdsword...
how come THEY understand and others don't?

There is real deceiving going on in our Christian faith.
Just like was warned.
I think we all know the verses.

Here is a question for you to ponder and pray about my friend .
WHY were the isralites NOT allowed to enter into the LAND that had been promised them .
Was it
A . because they said HEY WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD .
Or was it
B . THEY DID NOT BELEIVE GOD .
that should scare this generation of christendom to its core .
Because what i say to one i say to all , EVEN THE DEVILS beleive and tremble
IF a man claims to BELEIVE IN GOD , but does not beleive His words
CHALK THAT UP AS DEAD FAITH . and i mean as dead as even mine once was .
ON the DAY OF THE LORD
all who stand before him will believe , ONLY it was too late .
Many have absolutely NO FAITH IN GOD OR IN HIS CHRIST .
Last time i checked no one here has ever SEEN GOD .
But we sure have seen and read HIS words in that bible . THE QUESTION IS
DO WE BELEIVE what is written
OR DO WE TWIST what is written .
DO WE BELEIVE GOD
or have we been beleiving men who twisted HIS words .
OH yes i have come and that by grace to expose anything and everything contrary to the HOLY GOD and to HIS words
and YES , YES the apostles were INSPIRED BY GOD , BY HIS SPIRIT
when they WROTE them letters .
AND YES , YES , them words APPLY TO US TODAY as much as ever they did to the first ones .
I have come to now declare all out war against the lie of the false love , of the all inclusive interfaith
and to point ONLY to CHRIST , TO HIS WORDS , THE WORDS OF GOD ALL MIGHTY .
TO that gospel and ALL things HE did teach and inspire .
And if it costs me all , if even my own life , WELL , TO THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY BE THE GLORY IN CHRIST JESUS .
I KNOW WHO SAVES and BY THAT SAME GRACE
I KNOW HIS WORDS ARE TRUTH and those words and all WORDS inspired OF GOD
WILL not be allowed to be twisted and omitted ON THIS SHEEPS WATCH .
THIS WILL COST ME EVERYTHING MY FRIEND .
But no matter what man does to me i pray his forgivness
BUT MAY IT BE AN ICE FRIGID COLD DAY in the lake of fire BEFORE I EVEN ONCE compromise one single word JESUS
ever said . May i be dragged through the streets and led to my own death
LONG before i compromise even a millimeter in the direction of this world .
AND I know without a doubt , I AM GONNA NEED THE LORD TO ENDURE ALL OF THIS .
BUt i had rather die ten thousand of the worst deaths
than to sit at the table of satans interfaith finding common ground .
AND YOU MIGHT want to ask my WHY THAT IS and real fast .

 

[LoveYeshua]

I won't say you that you are wrong. But I would like to get your take on a couple of verses in Ephesians.

Eph 1:13,

In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,​

Eph 4:30,

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.​

​

I know you pointed out that Jesus talked about enduring (the context being the tribulation). He really didn't say anything about being sealed though. But I understand your connection. But, in any case, In Matthew, Jesus was talking to Jews before the new birth was available. In fact, everything Jesus said in the 4 gospels was meant for Israel, not Christians.

Matt 15:24,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

​

Christians can certainly learn from what Jesus said to the Jews (Rom 15:4), but the words Jesus spoke while on the earth were specifically addressed to the Jews. The bottom line is that Christians ought not to build their doctrine on the gospels. Things changed radically on the day of Pentecost, the birthday of the Christian church. Paul was the primary source for Christian doctrine. There are a few places in his epistles that he mentions, "my gospel." That is the gospel (good news) for the Christian.

Bless you brother.

Let’s look carefully at what you raised. Yes, Ephesians speaks about being “sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise” and “sealed unto the day of redemption.” But the question is: does being sealed mean salvation is unconditionally guaranteed, regardless of what a believer does afterward? Or is the seal conditional upon continuing in faith and obedience?

First, we must start with Jesus, because He said His words will judge us on the last day (John 12:48). Jesus never said that once a person believes, they can never fall away. Instead, He gave repeated warnings:

“He who endures to the end shall be saved” (Matthew 24:13). That is not just for Jews—it is a principle for everyone because He says the same in Revelation to the churches (which are believers): “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life” (Revelation 2:10). If being sealed made it impossible to fall away, why would Jesus warn believers to stay faithful?

He also taught in John 15:6 that if anyone who is in Him (a believer) does not remain, he is cast out like a branch and burned. That shows that being connected to Christ at one point is not enough—we must remain in Him.

Now, about the argument that “everything Jesus said was only for Israel.” That cannot be true, because Jesus said, “He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day” (John 12:48). His words will judge every person, not only Jews. He commanded His apostles to teach “all things that I have commanded you” to the nations (Matthew 28:19–20). That means His teachings are for all Christians.

As for being sealed, Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is a seal and a guarantee (2 Corinthians 1:22), but that does not mean unconditional security. In fact, the same passage you quoted in Ephesians 4:30 says, “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God.” Why warn believers not to grieve the Spirit if it is impossible to lose Him? Hebrews 3:14 explains this clearly: “We have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end.”

Finally, in Revelation 3:5, Jesus says, “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life.” This means names can be blotted out if one does not overcome. That is Jesus speaking—not limited to Israel, but to the churches.

So yes, the Spirit seals us for redemption—but only as long as we remain in Christ. The seal is a promise, not a license to stop abiding in Him. Jesus Himself made it clear: “Abide in Me” (John 15:4). That is an ongoing condition, not a one-time event.

Blessings

 

[LoveYeshua]

Well, post, I don't like puzzles

Jesus never abolished the Ten Commandments; instead, He confirmed every one of them and even deepened their meaning. He taught that obedience to God’s law was still required for those who wish to enter eternal life. When a man asked Him what to do to inherit life, Jesus replied, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). Then He began quoting from the Ten Commandments, showing that these were still binding.

The first commandment says, “You shall have no other gods before Me” (Exodus 20:3). Jesus reaffirmed this when He resisted the devil in the wilderness, saying, “You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve” (Matthew 4:10). He taught absolute loyalty to the Father and warned against serving both God and riches, declaring, “No one can serve two masters” (Matthew 6:24).

The second commandment forbids making carved images for worship. Jesus upheld true worship without idols when He told the Samaritan woman, “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth” (John 4:24). His words reveal that worship is spiritual and pure, not dependent on physical objects or images.

The third commandment commands reverence for God’s name: “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain” (Exodus 20:7). Jesus taught the same principle when He said, “Do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth, for it is His footstool” (Matthew 5:34-35). His teaching shows that God’s name and all that represents Him must never be treated lightly or used carelessly.

The fourth commandment commands us to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Jesus never canceled this command. Instead, He said, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27-28). He also told His disciples, speaking of events long after His resurrection, “And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath” (Matthew 24:20). These words show that Jesus expected the Sabbath to remain for His followers.

The fifth commandment says, “Honor your father and your mother” (Exodus 20:12). Jesus repeated this in Matthew 15:4: “For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’” Again in Matthew 19:19, He included it among the commandments required for life.

The sixth commandment forbids murder. Jesus quoted it directly: “You shall not murder” (Matthew 19:18). He also deepened its meaning in Matthew 5:21-22, saying that even anger without cause brings judgment: “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder…’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.”

The seventh commandment says, “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:14). Jesus reaffirmed it and took it further: “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart” (Matthew 5:27-28). He showed that sin begins in the heart.

The eighth commandment forbids stealing, and Jesus quoted it plainly: “You shall not steal” (Matthew 19:18). His life and teachings upheld honesty and integrity in all things.

The ninth commandment says, “You shall not bear false witness” (Exodus 20:16). Jesus included this in His answer about the commandments in Matthew 19:18, saying, “You shall not bear false witness.” He always condemned lying and hypocrisy, saying that every idle word will be judged (Matthew 12:36).

The tenth commandment forbids coveting. Jesus warned against greed in Luke 12:15: “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.” He taught contentment and trust in God, not the love of wealth.

From the first to the last commandment, Jesus confirmed them all. He summed them up with the two great commandments: to love God with all the heart and to love one’s neighbor as oneself (Matthew 22:37-40). But this summary does not replace the Ten Commandments; it explains their purpose, for love is the foundation of God’s law. Jesus never taught that these commandments were for Israel only. He commanded His disciples to teach all nations “to observe all things that I have commanded you” (Matthew 28:20). His words will judge us in the last day (John 12:48), so His teaching about obedience stands forever. Those who follow Christ must keep His commandments, for He said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15).

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ron- I agree with you. I wish someone would get through to Behold. I have been trying for days. Behold teaches that a believers sins do not need repentance because they are all already forgiven- he/she teaches behavior after salvation plays no role in a person's salvation. That is not what Paul ever taught. Paul taught that BELIEVERS WHO PRACTICE sins will NOT enter God's Kingdom.
We are to obey the Spirit and put the deeds of the flesh to death- we are being born anew- being sanctified. We can not ignore this crucial lifelong process. Our sins are not just ignored. We are to repent of our sins and put them to death by the Spirit God has given us. Like you said, we are becoming more like Jesus. This is sanctification.- process.
I give you these to consider. -- please take your time reading them.

Well I have to agree on one point he said.

Once a believer has repented and received Christ He longer needs to repent. repentance in Scripture is meta-noia which is a change of mind! Once we have changed our mind (repented) aboput Jesus we are saved. Once as a believer we sin, we do not need to change our mind! we know it is sin. we confess (acknowledge and agree with god) that is it sin and god does what He promised in 1 JOhn 1:9 Th emodern church has caused repentance to mean confessing our sin to God which it is not.

Second true believers may fall into a season of sin and for an undefined period appear to not be saved. If they are a believer- they will acknowledge this and be restored! This is the promise of God! And if a person who professed to be a believer abandons teh faith and lives in sin until death, Jesus twice and John in his epistle said they never were saved to begin with. They only appeared to have been but as John said.

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Jesus said two things that should give every believer the full measure of hope.

Not even ourselves in our grand stupidity can pluck ouselves out of Jesus hand!

We confess sin now so we will not experience the wages of sin- broken fellowship with god.

Jesus paid for all your sin and atoned for all them and applied that to you when you received Him. Atonement means an erasure. We confess sin so we can have fellowship restored. We never lose our relationship with god, but sin will break our fellowship.

Just like children. We are either obedient or disobedient children. But we remain children!

 

[Behold]

He confirmed every one of them and even deepened their meaning. He taught that obedience to God’s law was still required for those who wish to enter eternal life

When you teach "Keeping the Law" (obedience to the Law)........ to have eternal life..... then you are denying The Cross of Christ as the ONLY REASON you will gain eternal life.
You are denying that JESUS Is Eternal life, and that """Christ IN YOU"""< is How you Know you have it., as John teaches us that "you can know you have eternal life", as this "LIFE in IN God's SON">..........and not found in Lawkeeping or commandment keeping.

No one receives "eternal life" by keeping the law.........as this is JUDAISM..nonsense, you are teaching.

 

[GodsGrace]

I won't say you that you are wrong. But I would like to get your take on a couple of verses in Ephesians.

Eph 1:13,

In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,​

Eph 4:30,

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.​

​

I know you pointed out that Jesus talked about enduring (the context being the tribulation). He really didn't say anything about being sealed though. But I understand your connection. But, in any case, In Matthew, Jesus was talking to Jews before the new birth was available. In fact, everything Jesus said in the 4 gospels was meant for Israel, not Christians.

Matt 15:24,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

​

Christians can certainly learn from what Jesus said to the Jews (Rom 15:4), but the words Jesus spoke while on the earth were specifically addressed to the Jews. The bottom line is that Christians ought not to build their doctrine on the gospels. Things changed radically on the day of Pentecost, the birthday of the Christian church. Paul was the primary source for Christian doctrine. There are a few places in his epistles that he mentions, "my gospel." That is the gospel (good news) for the Christian.

Bless you brother.

You posted
Eph 4:30,

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.


Let's think about this verse a moment.

Why are we told not to grieve the Holy Spirit if, as some say, our behavior doesn't count and we are assured our salvation?

It sounds like a warning.

But then it goes on to state that we are sealed unto the day of redemption.

There are different explanations for this "sealing"...
What is sure is that the Holy Spirit needs our cooperation to do His work...to complete His work in us.
He will never force us to obey..it has to be willingly.

Also, though this verse may cause some question,,,it cannot be enough to ignore all the warning given by Jesus and all the other writers of the NT.

If we were truly sealed,,,,as would seem the meaning as we take it today,
no warnings would ever be necessary to the believer...instead we are indeed warned:


To continue in the faith - which means we possibly may NOT continue in the faith....
Colossians 1:22:23
22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach -
23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,


Not to fall away
1 Timothy 4:1
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,


To discipline ourselves
1 Corinthians 9:27
27But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.


Not be led astray
Hebrews 3:12
12Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

 

[GodsGrace]

I won't say you that you are wrong. But I would like to get your take on a couple of verses in Ephesians.

Eph 1:13,

In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,​

Eph 4:30,

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.​

​

I know you pointed out that Jesus talked about enduring (the context being the tribulation). He really didn't say anything about being sealed though. But I understand your connection. But, in any case, In Matthew, Jesus was talking to Jews before the new birth was available. In fact, everything Jesus said in the 4 gospels was meant for Israel, not Christians.

Matt 15:24,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

Jesus meant every word He said for every single believer in Him.
He didn't change His mind after the cross.

Jesus had other sheep:

John 10:16
16“I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.

Jesus came to change the world.
This is not accomplished by teaching only the Jews.

Jesus spoke to all peoples of all nations that would become followers of His.

​

Christians can certainly learn from what Jesus said to the Jews (Rom 15:4), but the words Jesus spoke while on the earth were specifically addressed to the Jews. The bottom line is that Christians ought not to build their doctrine on the gospels. Things changed radically on the day of Pentecost, the birthday of the Christian church. Paul was the primary source for Christian doctrine. There are a few places in his epistles that he mentions, "my gospel." That is the gospel (good news) for the Christian.

Bless you brother.

You are pitting Jesus, GOD, against one of His teachers.
There is only ONE TEACHER....GOD

Matthew 23:8
8“But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.
9“Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10“Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.

 

[Behold]

1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

Falling away from faith, is to be deceived out of it......but that is not the loss of Salvation, that is to become DECEIVED and are no longer able to "obey the Truth", as Paul teaches .
(Broken Faith).or "Fallen from Grace".

So, what are "Doctrines of Demons"?
These are "Doctrines of Devils'........>Hebrews 13:9

Let me list a Few for you.

MaryCult
Mormonism
Calvinism
JW
Mary Baker Eddie
Scientology
Gnosticism
Universalism
Preterism

 

[GodsGrace]

Sometimes the Apostle John and the Apostle Paul preached to unbelievers, as that was their Ministry.
So, when they do this in NT verses, dont apply those verses to yourself......such is 1 John 1:9 or Hebrews 10:26.

Heard this before Behold.
Jesus was Jewish but He started a new church and told the Apostles to go out and preach and teach.

So, being a Christian, I read all of the NT and try to practice what it teaches.

We were unbelievers once.
What Paul and John preached to them is also for us after salvation.

What, for instance, do you think is a verse we should not heed?

Except for Romans 9, 10 and some of 11 - I can't think of any offhand.

 

[GodsGrace]

Falling away from faith, is to be deceived out of it......but that is not the loss of Salvation, that is to become DECEIVED and are no longer able to "obey the Truth", as Paul teaches .
(Broken Faith).or "Fallen from Grace".

So, what are "Doctrines of Demons"?
These are "Doctrines of Devils'........>Hebrews 13:9

Let me list a Few for you.

MaryCult
Mormonism
Calvinism
JW
Mary Baker Eddie
Scientology
Gnosticism
Universalism
Preterism

LOL
I agree with you.

But if Paul says we could stray from the faith...

It DOES mean we HAD the faith, but then HAD IT NO MORE.

This is known as loss of salvation.

And, I'd say that apostacy will lead to loss.
MAYBE not incorrect doctrine.
I don't want to play God.

 

[GodsGrace]

Falling away from faith, is to be deceived out of it......but that is not the loss of Salvation, that is to become DECEIVED and are no longer able to "obey the Truth", as Paul teaches .
(Broken Faith).or "Fallen from Grace".

So, what are "Doctrines of Demons"?
These are "Doctrines of Devils'........>Hebrews 13:9

Let me list a Few for you.

MaryCult
Mormonism
Calvinism
JW
Mary Baker Eddie
Scientology
Gnosticism
Universalism
Preterism

PS
I'm happy to see that you posted MaryCult and not CC....
because, although the CC teaches some odd doctrine...
they DO teach the gospel.

 

[Behold]

What, for instance, do you think is a verse we should not heed?

All verses are useful, but not all verses are Church Doctrine.

For exmaple, when Paul caused a Male Witch to go blind......, is not a verse that is directed at a Christain, at all.

We have to be careful that we dont AIM verses at ourselves that are given to Jews, under the Old Covenant., as this is not NT Church Doctrine......and the NT has a lot of this in it.

 

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PS
I'm happy to see that you posted MaryCult and not CC....

There is no difference.
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