Is it possible to lose salvation?

[JLB]

You are a long way from your usual Heretics Website that pretends to be "christian", where you usually like to play.

Listen,

There is only one way to enter Christ, so that means there is only one way to remain in Him.
You apparently have no idea how to do it.
So i'll show you.

Keep reading...

You can't work your way into Christ, so, your behavior can't keep you there.

The scriptures teach us that we are to believe and be saved; BORN AGAIN

Those who believe are saved, and therefore are in Christ.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


Once a person is in Christ Jesus admonishes us to remain in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Here is how this same Apostle John instructs us to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

 

[LoveYeshua]

I see what you mean.
Yes,,,there were 12 including Matthias and excluding Judas.
Replacement.
I guess Paul is the honorable Apostle...if we count him in it would make 13.
Thanks!

Sorry again my friend if it was not important I would not write it but I know you know this already.

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

 

[nedsk]

No, that is your carnal mind saying that as an excuse to believe a lie!

I say what Paul says in Romans 5 and 6:

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6​

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King James Version​

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6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

salvation is not a license to sin. We become new creatures and have a new mind and are now learning to think like Jesus.

sny who say-"now that I am saved I can sin as much as I want" have no clue what salvation entails.

If faith alone was sufficient and salvation cannot be lost then I should be able to lie, cheat and steal. That's a logical fact, unless you're suggesting works play a role in our salvation and without them our faith is dead? The fact is this osas drivel you people espouse is nonsense.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If faith alone was sufficient and salvation cannot be lost then I should be able to lie, cheat and steal. That's a logical fact, unless you're suggesting works play a role in our salvation and without them our faith is dead? The fact is this osas drivel you people espouse is nonsense.

why do you pump your chest as if you somehow have arrived and are perfect?

Are you saying you no longer sin?

 

[GodsGrace]

Sorry again my friend if it was not important I would not write it but I know you know this already.

Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

You're right Love Yeshua.
It's 12 Apostles.
Just like the 12 Tribes.

I added in some detail.
In case some are reading along that just began studying...here's the detail :

Jesus chose 12 Apostles.
Just like the gates you mentioned...
Just like the 12 tribes of Israel.

I'm also going to post a link re the number 12 which is found throughout the bible.

Judas committed suicide and only 11 Apostles remained.
He had to be replaced.
Matthias was chosen.

Acts 1:21-26
21“Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us— 22beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us—one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”
23So they put forward two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was also called Justus), and Matthias.
24And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place.”
26And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell to Matthias; and he was added to the eleven apostles.


So there were still 12 Apostles.
The Apostles,,,by office,,,were 12.

It is said that Paul is an honorary Apostle due to his importance.
I was incorrect in stating that this made 13 Apostles...
one is in name only...

but the OFFICE of Apostle belongs to only 12.

Thanks again LoveYeshua.
You're very precise.
This is good.


Here's the link regarding the number 12.
I'm sure there's more.

Meaning of the Number 12 in the Bible

Why does the number 12 represent a perfect governmental foundation? Who were the twelve patriarchs from Shem to Jacob?

www.biblestudy.org

 

[GodsGrace]

There are just a few basic things I've said all along.

Matt 15:24,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.​

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Rom 15:4,

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.​

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Gal 3:1-3,

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?​

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2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?​

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3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?​

You complained to another member that he only posted scripture and so you couldn't respond.

The above is not for me....this just came up when I came in.
but YOU have done the same!

 

[nedsk]

why do you pump your chest as if you somehow have arrived and are perfect?

Are you saying you no longer sin?

I am saying just the opposite that I still sin and so do you. What you can't seem to grasp is that sin separates us from God. We still have access to salvation because of Jesus dying on the cross but having sinned we arent worthy of heaven of the new Jerusalem Revelation 22:25-27

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am saying just the opposite that I still sin and so do you.

so you admit that you still require GRACE to be saved. because of your own merit you have fallen short. and would be condemned where you stand/

What you can't seem to grasp is that sin separates us from God. We still have access to salvation because of Jesus dying on the cross but having sinned we arent worthy of heaven of the new Jerusalem Revelation 22:25-27

I grasp it.

Sadly. i do no think you do

the wage of sin is death, the GIFT of God is life

Your still trying to earn the gift. hence reject grace. then attack people who understand they are still sinners and fall short of all kinds of false claims..

 

[nedsk]

so you admit that you still require GRACE to be saved. because of your own merit you have fallen short. and would be condemned where you stand/

I grasp it.

Sadly. i do no think you do

the wage of sin is death, the GIFT of God is life

Your still trying to earn the gift. hence reject grace. then attack people who understand they are still sinners and fall short of all kinds of false claims..

Show where I said otherwise. See this is what I'm talking about. You have no reading comprehension whatsoever. You need to show right now where I said grace was not needed. Do it now!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Show where I said otherwise. See this is what I'm talking about.

You say it when you reject that we are saved by grace through faith. but we have to earn our salvation by doing works.

come on man. You know what you believe why are you trying to hide it?

You have no reading comprehension whatsoever. You need to show right now where I said grace was not needed. Do it now!

If it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise Grace is no longer grace The apostle paul

was it not you who accused someone of saying they can commits sins and still be saved? Is it not you who say we must work if we want to be saved? Is it not you who counteracts grace with your works?

Your whole argument proved me right

I do not even have to try hard. just let you talk

 

[nedsk]

You say it when you reject that we are saved by grace through faith. but we have to earn our salvation by doing works.

come on man. You know what you believe why are you trying to hide it?

If it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise Grace is no longer grace The apostle paul

was it not you who accused someone of saying they can commits sins and still be saved? Is it not you who say we must work if we want to be saved? Is it not you who counteracts grace with your works?

Your whole argument proved me right

I do not even have to try hard. just let you talk

No I didnt. Show it.

"...his faith was brought to completion by works." You aren't arguing with me Skippy

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No I didnt. Show it.

"...his faith was brought to completion by works." You aren't arguing with me Skippy

going off the words, if it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise grace is no longer grace. IE, grace and works can not mix.

If faith alone was sufficient and salvation cannot be lost then I should be able to lie, cheat and steal. That's a logical fact, unless you're suggesting works play a role in our salvation and without them our faith is dead? The fact is this osas drivel you people espouse is nonsense.

basically saying if I lie cheat and steal I can lose salvation.

If we can't lose our salvation then we can behave however we like once we are saved. You can't have it both ways and claim someone wasn't "really" saved if they continue to behave badly. If faith is sufficient and I can't lose my salvation then I can do whatever I like as long as I have faith. Unless you mean to say faith is completed by works just like James says.

Basically saying that grace and works again must be completed if we are to be saved. which goes counter to what Paul said.

There's your problem you think works are a direct result of faith. They arent. You seem to think works come automatically with faith. They dont. Faith is completed by works just as James says. Faith WITHOUT works is dead. This means people can have faith but if they dont choose to do the works then they have nothing. Faith alone is not sufficient.

and finally one more time. It is grace plus works in your view. And again, paul said Works cancel grace out. it is one or the other, but it can not be both..

here just in case you want to deny paul said this

eph 2: 8-9
8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST

Faith, Not works. no works are involved period.. lest we boast of our works and claim we saved ourself

romans 4:
rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Paul adamately rejects any type of work. saying if we work, we earn a debt, not grace.

but he does not leave it here.

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE. But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK

Grace and works cancel each other out. it is one or the other, It CAN NOT BE BOTH

2 Tim 1: 9
who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Again, Grace and works can not mix.. No works of our own was involved in our salvation.

and if you want to say good works do save us. Paul refutes this argument also.. concernign righteous works

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE

We are saved by his mercy,, His love, and the washing and new birth of the HS.. based on Grace alone..

 

[GodsGrace]

Jer 31:31,

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:​

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I'm very aware of the tradition, but verse says nothing about a new covenant with Gentiles. The question becomes; truth or tradition? I just decided to throw my hat in the truth ring.

Which tradition?
You mean biblical tradition?
Do you mean HOW the covenants were studied and taught?

Do you believe the NC began after the cross...which actually IS when it began since a person must die first before their testimony becomes valid.....

Do you believe the NC was NEVER mentioned in any of the early Covenants?
IOW....do you believe that the NC was a culmination of all the other Covenants?

Sounds like you don't.

That's not at all my sentiment. I love Christians. Nonetheless, Jesus said the sheep he was talking about were not members of the flock to whom he was speaking. i,e, Israel. It was about the future, specifically Pentecost.

Are you not Christian? Are you Jewish?
I ask because you said you love Christians so maybe you're not Christian?

Jesus said He had other sheep and that they were to join the flock.
It was one flock and Jesus is the shepherd.

I think you're reading too much into my words.

John 10:16,

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold (the time Jesus spoke these words): them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall (future) be one fold, [and] one shepherd.​

Totally fits with:

Col 3:11,

Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond [nor] free: but Christ [is] all, and in all.

It fits because the NC was in God's mind from the beginning.

With whom will God make a New Covenant? Let scripture give the answer:

Jer 31:31,

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:​

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I can't help it if tradition has muddied the waters,. Nonetheless, these words in Jeremiah have been there for some 2,500 years now.

Did God make the NC with Israel and Judah?
Weren't they both detroyed by invasion?
Israel by the Assyrians and the Babylonians.....
Judah by the Romans when Jerusalem was totally destroyed in 70AD

It could be debated that Jeremiah meant far into the future.
At the precise time to which you're stating when the New Covenant would take force.

Deuteronomy 28:49-52 and Lamentations 2:8-9 are interesting:


Deuteronomy looks forward:

49“The LORD will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, as the eagle swoops down, a nation whose language you shall not understand, 50a nation of fierce countenance who will have no respect for the old, nor show favor to the young. 51“Moreover, it shall eat the offspring of your herd and the produce of your ground until you are destroyed, who also leaves you no grain, new wine, or oil, nor the increase of your herd or the young of your flock until they have caused you to perish. 52“It shall besiege you in all your towns until your high and fortified walls in which you trusted come down throughout your land, and it shall besiege you in all your towns throughout your land which the LORD your God has given you.


Lamentations looks back:


7The Lord has rejected His altar,
He has abandoned His sanctuary;
He has delivered into the hand of the enemy
The walls of her palaces.
They have made a noise in the house of the LORD
As in the day of an appointed feast.

8The LORD determined to destroy
The wall of the daughter of Zion.
He has stretched out a line,
He has not restrained His hand from destroying,
And He has caused rampart and wall to lament;
They have languished together.

9Her gates have sunk into the ground,
He has destroyed and broken her bars.
Her king and her princes are among the nations;
The law is no more.
Also, her prophets find
No vision from the LORD.

I can only say, that the message for the Church of the body of Christ was not revealed, to Moses, to David,

I won't be doing the arguing because I'm not scholarly enough...
But Jeremiah might have been speaking about something that did happen...
the fall of Jerusalem.....

not even to Jesus. It was a mystery that was kept secret until God revealed it to Paul (Rom 16:25-26, et.al). That is Paul's gospel and it is meant specifically for Christians. Our deal is much better than the Old Testament and even better than the New Covenant which will come to fruition when Jesus returns for the second time, when the New Jerusalem descends from heaven (Rev 20-21).

Good discussion. Great example of iron sharpening iron. Thanks!

The New Covenant is right now.
Why do you think it's for the future?

At the Last Supper Jesus said THIS IS THE BLOOD OF HE NEW COVENANT (my words).

Jesus was instituting the New Covenant.
He did not say that it was for the future.
He said it was the everlasting Covenant.

Everlasting has no time...

In the Abrahamic Covenant God wanted to call a people to Himself from which all nations would be blessed.
Genesis 12:1-3
3And I will bless those who bless you,
And the one who curses you I will curse.
And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"...his faith was brought to completion by works." You aren't arguing with me Skippy

His faith was perfected by works

Abraham had a weak faith in Gen 15. Yet that faith of a mustard seed saved him completely. Not decades later

Your right, I am not arguing with you. Paul; is.. And paul will win..

 

[nedsk]

going off the words, if it is grace it is no longer works. otherwise grace is no longer grace. IE, grace and works can not mix.



basically saying if I lie cheat and steal I can lose salvation.




Basically saying that grace and works again must be completed if we are to be saved. which goes counter to what Paul said.

and finally one more time. It is grace plus works in your view. And again, paul said Works cancel grace out. it is one or the other, but it can not be both..

here just in case you want to deny paul said this

eph 2: 8-9
8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST

Faith, Not works. no works are involved period.. lest we boast of our works and claim we saved ourself

romans 4:
rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Paul adamately rejects any type of work. saying if we work, we earn a debt, not grace.

but he does not leave it here.

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE. But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK

Grace and works cancel each other out. it is one or the other, It CAN NOT BE BOTH

2 Tim 1: 9
who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Again, Grace and works can not mix.. No works of our own was involved in our salvation.

and if you want to say good works do save us. Paul refutes this argument also.. concernign righteous works

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE

We are saved by his mercy,, His love, and the washing and new birth of the HS.. based on Grace alone..

Jesus dying in the cross is like someone giving you a free ticket to a black tie banquet. You didn't earn it you don't deserve it but the person very to you anyway because they like you. You show up in a t shirt shorts and flip flops. You aren't getting in. The graciousness of the gift is not diminished because you show up at the black tie banquet looking like a hobo. You people have such a perverted view of this whole thing it's sad. You don't get it just because someone gave you a ticket. If you aren't properly disposed you get squat.

AGAIN for the 2 millionth time, if faith is sufficient it wouldn't need completion by works. That's has NOTHING to do with Gods grace other than he has made salvation available to you. Nothing more nothing less. Matthew 22:11-14. Wake up

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus dying in the cross is like someone giving you a free ticket to a black tie banquet.

No Jesus dieing on the cross is the price of love and mercy.

If he did not do this, you would be dead where you stannd, and have no hope of eternity

You didn't earn it you don't deserve it but the person very to you anyway because they like you. You show up in a t shirt shorts and flip flops. You aren't getting in.

Ah,, so we have to clean ourselves up. The cross is not enough to clean us (even though scripture says we were washed by the blood of the lamb)

The graciousness of the gift is not diminished because you show up at the black tie banquet looking like a hobo. You people have such a perverted view of this whole thing it's sad. You don't get it just because someone gave you a ticket. If you aren't properly disposed you get squat.

What you have sir is a perverted view of yourself

You think you cleaned yourself and made yourself up to approach God. when in reality. You are dead in sin, and putrid to God. You think you handing god your self righteous works of filthy bloody rags will make you clean? Like I said. you do not grasp grace at all..

AGAIN for the 2 millionth time, if faith is sufficient it wouldn't need completion by works.

It does not need completed by works. I proved that to you in all the posts I just gave, which for the umpteenth time you have totally ignore and failed to even respond to..

Again, Paul said Grace and works do not mix. You can sit there 1000 times and say they can, But you call Paul a liar.

That's has NOTHING to do with Gods grace other than he has made salvation available to you.

Yes he did, and what did he say we receive it?

By receiving him in faith.

But as many as have recieved him (John 1)
But whoever believes (john 3)
Ask and he will give it to you (john 4) whoever sees and believed (john 5)
See and believe, John 6

You see works where their are non.

But your stuck on James. which you can not even properly understand..

Nothing more nothing less. Matthew 22:11-14. Wake up

 

[nedsk]

No Jesus dieing on the cross is the price of love and mercy.

If he did not do this, you would be dead where you stannd, and have no hope of eternity

Ah,, so we have to clean ourselves up. The cross is not enough to clean us (even though scripture says we were washed by the blood of the lamb)

What you have sir is a perverted view of yourself

You think you cleaned yourself and made yourself up to approach God. when in reality. You are dead in sin, and putrid to God. You think you handing god your self righteous works of filthy bloody rags will make you clean? Like I said. you do not grasp grace at all..

It does not need completed by works. I proved that to you in all the posts I just gave, which for the umpteenth time you have totally ignore and failed to even respond to..

Again, Paul said Grace and works do not mix. You can sit there 1000 times and say they can, But you call Paul a liar.



Yes he did, and what did he say we receive it?

By receiving him in faith.

But as many as have recieved him (John 1)
But whoever believes (john 3)
Ask and he will give it to you (john 4) whoever sees and believed (john 5)
See and believe, John 6

You see works where their are non.

But your stuck on James. which you can not even properly understand..

Right Jesus makes salvation available nothing more nothing less. He does so out of love for us but what we do with that gift is out choice not his. You make yourself unworthy of his gift when you sin which you done every day. Your sin doesn't take away what he did your sin makes you unfit to.enter the wedding feast as was pointed out to you. Nothing you do affects what God did you turn away from him and it's prideful to believe you can't lose your salvation. Beyond that you're as illogical as a square circle. You think faith is all thats needed but when shown that's not the case you balk. Nice try

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Right Jesus makes salvation available nothing more nothing less.

lol. Yes.

And for those who have received him, he saved them totally.

He does so out of love for us but what we do with that gift is out choice not his.

You just said it, it is a gift. A gift can not be earned. and it is not a downpayment, Otherwise. it is not a gift.

You make yourself unworthy of his gift when you sin which you done every day.

Your unworthy every day whether you sin or not.. How many death sentences do you have since you were born? And you want to stand in front of God and claim you are worthy?

Your sin doesn't take away what he did your sin makes you unfit to.enter the wedding feast as was pointed out to you. Nothing you do affects what God did you turn away from him and it's prideful to believe you can't lose your salvation. Beyond that you're as illogical as a square circle. You think faith is all thats needed but when shown that's not the case you balk. Nice try

You have yet to repent my friend. You have yet to become like the tac collector. Sadly. Like many jews. You think your ok with God because of your own power and your own righteousness.

Remember they crucified Christ because he condemned them.

I doubt he would accept you any more than he did them

 

[nedsk]

lol. Yes.

And for those who have received him, he saved them totally.

You just said it, it is a gift. A gift can not be earned. and it is not a downpayment, Otherwise. it is not a gift.



Your unworthy every day whether you sin or not.. How many death sentences do you have since you were born? And you want to stand in front of God and claim you are worthy?



You have yet to repent my friend. You have yet to become like the tac collector. Sadly. Like many jews. You think your ok with God because of your own power and your own righteousness.

Remember they crucified Christ because he condemned them.

I doubt he would accept you any more than he did them

He made salvation available that is NOT the same as you are saved. If you are irrevocably saved because Jesus died in the cross then you can do whatever you like after you are saved. So let me ask you when exactly is someone irrevocably saved?

 

[Rich R]

You complained to another member that he only posted scripture and so you couldn't respond.

A slight misrepresentation there. I think I was clear that I couldn't argue with scripture. In other words, I agreed with the guy's post which was simply a few verses.

The above is not for me....this just came up when I came in.
but YOU have done the same!

I'm not sure of what you are accusing me there.