Inspired or inspiring? - The case for biblical inerrancy and inspiration.

[St. SteVen]

What are the best arguments for biblical inerrancy and inspiration?
I'm guessing that there is less support for biblical inerrancy than for biblical inspiration.
Let's discuss.

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What are the best arguments for biblical inerrancy and inspiration?

21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should.

It is often said that the entire world was created through Jesus Christ.

When creation v.s evolution,
When Theology v.s science.
As it is Miracles v.s word
We seem to focus on one side and ignore the other,This kind of problem is extremely serious.

Just as some Christians become overly fixated on miracles and signs while neglecting the life-giving power of God’s Word—this is precisely why Jesus declared, ‘No sign will be given except the sign of Jonah

And the other side is a kind of extreme, no longer believe that there will be signs and wonders, but more keen on the expression of God's word.

Miracles and God's word, IT is the result of parallel and interaction, the lack of either side is not desirable.

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[Wick Stick]

What are the best arguments for biblical inerrancy and inspiration?
I'm guessing that there is less support for biblical inerrancy than for biblical inspiration.
Let's discuss.

Zondervan Publishers presents: Peter Enns: Five Views on Biblical Inerrancy

Interesting to see this from Zondervan. A short, 1:44 minutes video message from Peter Enns about... ... the inerrancy of the Bible as an often contentious topic among evangelicals that needs to be revisited. Five Views on Biblical Inerrancy represents a timely contribution by showcasing the...

www.christianityboard.com

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As nearly as I can tell, it all rests on one single verse.

2 Timothy 3:16:
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος καὶ ὠφέλιμος πρὸς διδασκαλίαν πρὸς ἔλεγχον, πρὸς ἐπανόρθωσιν πρὸς παιδείαν τὴν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ

I think major doctrines should be based on more than one single verse. That's doubly true when the translation of that verse rests on a single word - a word that is not used anywhere else in the Bible. That's the case here.

 

[St. SteVen]

As nearly as I can tell, it all rests on one single verse.

2 Timothy 3:16:
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος καὶ ὠφέλιμος πρὸς διδασκαλίαν πρὸς ἔλεγχον, πρὸς ἐπανόρθωσιν πρὸς παιδείαν τὴν ἐν δικαιοσύνῃ

I think major doctrines should be based on more than one single verse. That's doubly true when the translation of that verse rests on a single word - a word that is not used anywhere else in the Bible. That's the case here.

I suppose this begs the question about what qualifies as "All scripture"?
Was this verse making reference to the canon of the 4th century?
(2 Timothy was written around 65 AD)

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I suppose this begs the question about what qualifies as "All scripture"?
Was this verse making reference to the canon of the 4th century?
(2 Timothy was written around 65 AD)

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You are well aware of how the bible was formed and if you don't know there are plenty of boo,s and Web sites that can educate you about it.

If the bible is not regarded as God's word then what is seen in this forum becomes even more endemic, the proliferation of ideas based on one or two verses taken out of context or ideas taken from non Christians because they seem to be a good idea.

We are to test our ideas, our conclusions against scripture, it is the measure not our intellect.

 

[St. SteVen]

We are to test our ideas, our conclusions against scripture, it is the measure not our intellect.

My concern is that the result is mindless religion.
God gave me a brain; I prefer to use it.

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[Windmill Charge]

My concern is that the result is mindless religion.
God gave me a brain; I prefer to use it.

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No one can be a Christian without using their mind, equally no one can be a Christian without accepting that questions have answers that whether we like those answers we have to accept them.

 

[St. SteVen]

No one can be a Christian without using their mind, equally no one can be a Christian without accepting that questions have answers that whether we like those answers we have to accept them.

Is humankind saved by grace, or by works, or neither?

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Is humankind saved by grace, or by works, or neither?

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Human being saved by faith with obedience.
The works is the fruit.
Without faith with obedience, works is never happened.

Welcome to ask any questions!

 

[St. SteVen]

Human being saved by faith with obedience.
The works is the fruit.
Without faith with obedience, works is never happened.

Welcome to ask any questions!

Are these Gentiles, who do not have the law, saved by faith with obedience?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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Are these Gentiles, who do not have the law, saved by faith with obedience?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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This is a great question.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The meaning conveyed by the scripture you quoted is this:

**"The Gentiles, by nature, fulfill the law through actions that embody 'love your neighbor as yourself.' Though they have not heard the written Law, their faith is still expressed in obeying this principle of love.

Therefore, regardless of whether they know God, their actions align with what I have described.

Human being saved by faith with obedience.
The works is the fruit.
Without faith with obedience, works is never happened.

 

[St. SteVen]

Human being saved by faith with obedience.

Wait...
Saved by faith in what? The law they do not have?
Obedient to what? The law they do not have?

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[St. SteVen]

Without faith with obedience, works is never happened.

The Gentiles in question (who do not have the law)
were following their God-given human conscience to do right.
In what was their faith? To what were they obedient?

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Wait...
Saved by faith in what? The law they do not have?
Obedient to what? The law they do not have

The gentiles who do not have the law have done the work of loving others as themselves, believing that they should love others as themselves, and obeying they should love others as themselves.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Wait...
Saved by faith in what? The law they do not have?
Obedient to what? The law they do not have

The gentiles who do not have the law have done the work of loving others as themselves, believing that they should love others as themselves, and obeying they should love others as themselves.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

No faith involved then?

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St. SteVen said:
Wait...
Saved by faith in what? The law they do not have?
Obedient to what? The law they do not have

No faith involved then?

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Defining Faith
Through studying and understanding the Bible, I have come to realize that the essence of faith is obedience—obedience to God’s Word.

Many people have only a rudimentary understanding of faith, thinking that merely believing in Jesus constitutes faith. But this is insufficient. Jesus Himself said:

"Whoever believes in me does not believe in me but in him who sent me." (John 12:44, ESV)

This statement perfectly clarifies what true faith is. Jesus was not denying belief in Himself but rather emphasizing belief in God’s Word, where genuine faith is demonstrated through obedience.

Even the Gentiles, though they do not have the Law, obey God’s Word by nature (Romans 2:14-15). This is the true meaning of faith.

To have faith in God does not mean constantly uttering "God" or "Jesus" with our lips. Rather, it means living in submission to His will—whether through conscious devotion or the unwritten law written on the heart.

Faith is not just belief—it is obedience in action.

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


You need to compare the two verses to understand the connection.

 

[St. SteVen]

Defining Faith
Through studying and understanding the Bible, I have come to realize that the essence of faith is obedience—obedience to God’s Word.

Perhaps faith has a broader (and narrower) definition?

- faith
- a faith
- the faith

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. - Hebrews 11:1 NIV

If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. - 1 Corinthians 13:2 NIV

until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. - Ephesians 4:13 NIV


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[Wick Stick]

Wait...
Saved by faith in what? The law they do not have?
Obedient to what? The law they do not have?

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Who, not what

 

[St. SteVen]

Who, not what

In reference to the scripture below.
Who is the who? Faith in who? (Jesus?) ???

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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[Behold]

What are the best arguments for biblical inerrancy and inspiration?

2 Tim 3:16

""""All scripture is given by inspiration of God""

Isaiah 40:8

"""The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand forever.""""

1 Peter 1:25

""""But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. """"

Psalm 138:2

"""""for thou God, hast magnified thy word above all thy name""""

There is also the fact that when Jesus dealt with Satan......He didnt have a conversation with Him.....instead He quoted Bible verses against Him.

Matt 4:4,7,10