Inspired or inspiring? - The case for biblical inerrancy and inspiration.

[Wick Stick]

Who is the who? Faith in who? (Jesus?) ???

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Yes, Jesus

Moses' Law isn't really binding on Gentiles OR Jews anymore. It remains relevant only because the nature of God is unchanging. What-is-right in the past tends to remain so in perpetuity.

 

[Grailhunter]

Is the Bible true? Which Bible? The better question is; Are the scriptures accurate?
Is the King James inerrant?
Looking for accuracy is one form of Christian beliefs.
Reading the scriptures literally and inerrant is another form of Christian beliefs.

Is the Earth flat? Do stars fall to Earth? Did Noah’s flood cover the Earth? Did he fit all the animals on one boat? Was everything created in six days? Did all of humanity originate from Adam and Eve? Did Yeshua create everything?
Is it right or wrong to believe these things are accurate? Neither. It is just another way of understanding the scriptures. I love Christians that believe the world is flat.

Now Christ could have explained DNA and Quantum Mechanics and the cosmos…..But would they have understood what He was explaining. The scriptures had to be written so the people of the time period would understand them.

The concept of the spiritual was new and complicated enough. Yeshua could have explained a lot about Heaven but could they have understood the spiritual world.

No matter how accurate the scriptures are the truth would still be beyond our comprehension.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, Jesus

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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[Wick Stick]

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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Christian faith is always placed in Jesus, rather than any law or book. That's the big-picture message. I didn't limit myself to the bit from Romans 2.

Verses that ran through my head? Paul talking about the Gentiles being adopted "before the Law" and thus not subject to it. Jeremiah talking about God making a "new covenant" with Israel and Judah, that is "not like the old" one.

Nobody is supposed to be subject to Moses' law anymore.

 

[XtraPercept]

The essence of Scripture is Truth Himself, so of course it is inerrant. Any mistake, folly, typo, or other smidgen of imperfection you might encounter therein is exclusively the faulty hand of a man involved in the process. And yet, even still His will is unaffected.

There is no conflict in Scripture that Wisdom cannot resolve. There is no error in Scripture that defies explanation. There is no fault in Scripture, only in the lack of understanding the Meaning.

Indeed, the focus is wrong for it's spiritual source, piecing apart the letter while yet ignoring the experiential evidence of truth within which resonates with the very Scriptures these sort rend. Arguing over a metaphor without access to the Meaning is fruitless, and yet so many wouldn't seek to obtain a definition for the sake of understanding.

No, so confident, so headstrong, so rebellious, these can never have Certainty and don't take well to meeting Him. They distract, point away, or mock from ignorance, like a dog returning to it's vomit thinking it found a treat. They pronounce their meaningless judgements and seek to draw others away from the truth the scoffers despise.

Pay no mind to these matters. Seek first His righteousness, do what you already know He wants you to but yet have not for your fear and distrust of Him.

 

[St. SteVen]

Christian faith is always placed in Jesus, rather than any law or book. That's the big-picture message. I didn't limit myself to the bit from Romans 2.

But this has nothing to do with Christian faith to my knowledge.
This seems to say that in the final judgement/evaluation, God will consider those without the law differently.
They will be judged/evaluated by their works. As dictated by their God-given human conscience.
Nothing to do with a relationship with Christ, of whom they knew nothing.

This is significant, because Christians maintain that salvation is through a relationship with Jesus Christ in this lifetime.
Obviously, the atonement applies to all of humankind, but these Gentiles had no knowledge of it.
This challenges the evangelical claims about salvation. IMHO

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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[Windmill Charge]

Is humankind saved by grace, or by works, or neither?

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Christians are saved by faith in Jesus's death and resurrection, they show their love for him through their works.

 

[XtraPercept]

Christians are saved by faith in Jesus's death and resurrection, they show their love for him through their works.

My friend, you have light, you know the Name above all names. You are not done yet, though! He has many more and more wonderful names. We cannot know them all! But He tells us many of them and tells us which are not His names. Keep seeking until you understand the meaning and you will possess what you truly desire.

We are saved by the will of the Lord. We seek Him as He calls us and He reveals Himself as He desires.

 

[Wick Stick]

But this has nothing to do with Christian faith to my knowledge.
This seems to say that in the final judgement/evaluation, God will consider those without the law differently.
They will be judged/evaluated by their works. As dictated by their God-given human conscience.
Nothing to do with a relationship with Christ, of whom they knew nothing.

This is significant, because Christians maintain that salvation is through a relationship with Jesus Christ in this lifetime.
Obviously, the atonement applies to all of humankind, but these Gentiles had no knowledge of it.
This challenges the evangelical claims about salvation. IMHO

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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You asked 'grace or works?'
We answered - faith
Faith in what? you asked
Faith in Jesus

That seems to be the same answer Paul gives:

16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

 

[The Learner]

No one can be a Christian without using their mind, equally no one can be a Christian without accepting that questions have answers that whether we like those answers we have to accept them.

Ok where did I put my mind? 101

 

[The Learner]

Is humankind saved by grace, or by works, or neither?

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saved by faith and grace of G_d. Eph 2:10 good works are natural for a believer.

 

[The Learner]

Are these Gentiles, who do not have the law, saved by faith with obedience?

Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law,
do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves,
even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness,
and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

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15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,

their consciences also bearing witness,

and their thoughts sometimes accusing them

and at other times even defending them.)

is the case for invinicible ignorance.

 

[The Learner]

Is the Bible true? Which Bible? The better question is; Are the scriptures accurate?
Is the King James inerrant?
Looking for accuracy is one form of Christian beliefs.
Reading the scriptures literally and inerrant is another form of Christian beliefs.

Is the Earth flat? Do stars fall to Earth? Did Noah’s flood cover the Earth? Did he fit all the animals on one boat? Was everything created in six days? Did all of humanity originate from Adam and Eve? Did Yeshua create everything?
Is it right or wrong to believe these things are accurate? Neither. It is just another way of understanding the scriptures. I love Christians that believe the world is flat.

Now Christ could have explained DNA and Quantum Mechanics and the cosmos…..But would they have understood what He was explaining. The scriptures had to be written so the people of the time period would understand them.

The concept of the spiritual was new and complicated enough. Yeshua could have explained a lot about Heaven but could they have understood the spiritual world.

No matter how accurate the scriptures are the truth would still be beyond our comprehension.

greek hebrew aramaic original texts were inspired. We only get to the orignal by comparing, testing manuscripts.

 

[St. SteVen]

Nobody is supposed to be subject to Moses' law anymore.

Agree, however...

I suppose we should clarify that the law wasn't Moses' law.
The Law of Moses were the BOOKS of the Law.
But the actual laws were given to Moses by God.
So... they were God's laws. Laws of the old covenant.

Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

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[Grailhunter]

greek hebrew aramaic original texts were inspired. We only get to the orignal by comparing, testing manuscripts.

We seem to have some accurate copies of the originals…..
If not this conversation is futile.

 

[XtraPercept]

greek hebrew aramaic original texts were inspired. We only get to the orignal by comparing, testing manuscripts.

Who is the Source of all inspiration, or what inspiration comes from beyond or outside of Him? If any, then by what power?

 

[Taken]

Inspired or inspiring? - The case for biblical inerrancy and inspiration.

In-SPIRIT-ed
In-SPIRIT-ing
OR… both Offered.
God …IS SPIRIT.
God …HAS seven SPIRITS
Man …HAS a natural spirit.
Man …WAS OFFERED: a SPIRIT of God to Dwell WITH the man.
Man …WAS OFFERED: a SPIRIT of God to Dwell WITH and IN the man.


2 Tim 3:
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Job 32:
[8] But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Man IS a “Created” Body.
It was “Created and Made” with natural “instincts”.
It’s Life IS Blood. (Movements, blood flow, organ operations, etc. require no thoughts to grow, operate/ function.)
It shall die.

A naturally born alive man is “Made” by the Power of God…VIA the Receipt of a “soul” unto the man, from God…
It belongs TO God.
It’s Life IS Gods Breath.
It quickens:
Sight, Hearing, Tasting, Sound utterance, Smell, Flesh feeling of touch.
( medically: called “senses”).
( spiritually: communication means.)

Should THAT man… hear, learn, “The Word of God”…BE “IN”-SPIRED” To “Believe and Trust the Word of God”…
That man can LIVE his “natural life” in such manner.

That man SHALL ALSO: be subject TO:
Wickedness, Threats, Oppressions of other men ( more powerful than he ), who such Other men, “Reject God”.

That man SHALL ALSO: be subject TO:
Evilness, OF fallen Angels, ( more powerful than he ), whom such fallen angels, Reject God.

That is called: The trials and Tribulations OF THIS World (mans natural habitat).

The “IN-SPIRIT-(aition / ed)… offering From God…
IS a mans Offering from God…
To Become “MADE” by the Power of God…
Subject TO: Gods “Holiness”. ( which such Power of God, supersedes, All other powers.)

The Offering From God…TO man-KIND;
IS a two-fold “mans FREEWILL Choice”…
* #1 (called: TASTING), trying Gods Offering…
* #2 (called: EATING), IN-gesting Gods Offering…

Tasting WHAT? Gods WORD.
Eating WHAT? Gods WORD.

While Tasting…God will be “With that man…”as long as That man endures” “continues” Tasting Gods Word.
While Tasting…
If the mans “spits out” Gods Word…
God Shall leave that man.

If and When the man “EATS” Gods Word…
Forever ( from that moment Forward ) God Shall BE With that man, and That man WITH God.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[XtraPercept]

The Offering From God…TO man-KIND;
IS a two-fold “mans FREEWILL Choice”…

Your post is wonderful! I enjoy your expounding, your skill in delivery, your observations, and thank you for sharing. But for the opportunity you provided, if anyone is interested, I have something to share regarding free will. Thank you!

 

[Taken]

Your post is wonderful! I enjoy your expounding, your skill in delivery, your observations, and thank you for sharing. But for the opportunity you provided, if anyone is interested, I have something to share regarding free will. Thank you!

Very kind. Thank you.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[The Learner]

Who is the Source of all inspiration, or what inspiration comes from beyond or outside of Him? If any, then by what power?

God