Earburner
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That right there is the Scofield corruption that most of church-ianity has been deceived by.
In Daniel 8, 11, and 12, is A4E meant? Or is a future anti-christ meant?
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Earburner
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Try again....
Who caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease in the midst of the 70th week??
(Scofield didn't know, but you do!).
Did you forget the word determined in verses 24 and 27?? Both placements of that word apply to the six works of God, that were "finished" by Christ, and the results of that sacrifice were p _ ur_ed out upon the desolate (the repentant unsaved).
Acts 2:17, 10:45.
(Scofield never understood it, but you do!)
In the 70th week, there are six works of God that Jesus had to "finish", not five.
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
1. to finish the transgression, and
2. to make an end of sins, and
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity, and
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness, and
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy, and
6. to anoint the most Holy.
The 70th week is still unfulfilled. It will be the Antichrist (the little horn person) who cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.
Daniel 8:
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
You keep trying to make the 70th week as fulfilled or partially fulfilled. But it does not work because the 15 time of the end time frames in the bible fit within the 70th week.
It's fulfilled, just like the preceding 69, which makes all of them determined, as Daniel declared.
Your 70th week is undetermined.
Daniel's 70 weeks are determined, and Daniel's 70th week is determined.
I believe Daniel.
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Earburner
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Jesus' sacrifice supercedes the temple sacrifices and therefore His sacrifice of Himself caused everything of the temple to cease and become useless for the forgiveness of sins.
See Antiochus lV Epiphanes in 1 Maccabees and learn the history of it all of who the "little horn" really was
All of the 2300 days had to do with Antiochus Epiphanes and Judas Maccabeus, the prince of Israel who restored the temple. The Jews celebrate that event as Hanukkah.
I am making nothing out of the 70th week, except what Dan. 9:24-27 says and points to, as the Holy Spirit guides me, and not that of "the wisdom of men" through the man made doctrines of church-ianity.
Your graph is completely wrong because it is based on the false belief of Scofield and his scam about the 70th week.
Spiritual Israelite
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Right. In his false understanding of Daniel 9:24, about 2,500 years have been determined so far to fulfill the 70 weeks instead of the 490 years (70 weeks) that were determined to fulfill the six things listed in that verse.
Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed by his followers as the King of Israel messiah, fulfilling in Daniel 9:25. 4 days later, he was cutoff, crucified, fulfilling Daniel 9:26. The 70th week is still future.
Spiritual Israelite
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Did you not indicate that you believe three of the things listed in Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled (to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity)? When else do you think those things were fulfilled except during the 70th week?
Also, Jesus was to be cut off after the end of the 69th week. What comes after 69? 70. So, He was cut off during the 70th week. But, in your view, He was not cut off during any of the 70 weeks, which makes no sense whatsoever since His death was crucial to the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24, as even you recognize.
Daniel 9:24 is saying that the 70 weeks (of years) are determined to apply to Daniel's people and the holy city of Jerusalem.
The 70th week, still unfulfilled, is determined to apply to Daniel's people and the holy city of Jerusalem. Has Zechariah 14 taken place yet ?
The 70th week will be fulfilled in the parable of the fig tree generation (Matthew 24:32-34) that will not pass away before Jesus returns.
Spiritual Israelite
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Douggg, why did you not answer my questions? Were they too difficult for you? I'll try again.
Did you not indicate that you believe three of the things listed in Daniel 9:24 have been fulfilled (to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity)? When else do you think those things were fulfilled except during the 70th week?
Jesus was cutoff 4 days after arriving in Jerusalem as the messiah. The 70th week does not begin until the prince that shall come confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant - the one Daniel was praying about his people having violated - for 7 years, the period required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. The point is that He was cut off AFTER the end of the 69th week of years. In the case of the first 69 weeks of years, do you not believe that each week of years began right after the previous week of years ended? If so, then why would that not be the case after the 69th week?
Jesus was not cut off during the 69th week, but rather AFTER it ended. Why do you not have His death occurring within any of the 70 weeks when you acknowledged that three of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24 were fulfilled by His death?
It seems pretty cut and dry to me that the 70 weeks of Daniel mark the end of God’s dealings with Israel and earthly Jerusalem. This 70 weeks point directly to the fulfillment of Amos 8, where God declares the final judgment upon Israel.
Amos 8:2 says: And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
Jesus confirms this shift in Matthew 21:43, saying: “Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
This statement from Jesus makes clear that the kingdom would no longer be identified with ethnic Israel but would be given to those—Jew or Gentile—who produce its fruit in faith and obedience.
Amos 8:2 says: And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
Jesus confirms this shift in Matthew 21:43, saying: “Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
This statement from Jesus makes clear that the kingdom would no longer be identified with ethnic Israel but would be given to those—Jew or Gentile—who produce its fruit in faith and obedience.
Spiritual Israelite
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You're not answering me at all, Douggg. I'm not talking about 4 days, I'm asking in which week of years was Jesus cut off? It can't be the 69th week because He was cut off AFTER the end of the 69th week.
Do you have Jesus being cut off after the 69th week ends like Daniel 9:26 says? If so, then you don't have Him being cut off during any of the 70 weeks. How can that be when you indicated that His death was necessary for the fulfillment of 3 of the 6 things listed in Daniel 9:24 that there were 70 weeks determined to fulfill?
Earburner
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Two questions to you:
1. Who finished the six works of God in verse 24?
2. Who was cut off in the midst of the 70th week in verse 27?
Little do you realize that the first 3.5 years was the joint ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus confirming the New covenant with his disciples. John for 6 mos., and then Jesus for 3.0 years.
After Jesus' Ascension into Heaven, by His Holy Spirit, Jesus continued confirming the New Covenant to the early church for the remaining 3.5 years thus totalling 7.0 years, which is the fulfillment of the 70th week.
A discussion for a different topic:
Would you dare to believe that John the Baptist and Jesus are the Two Witnesses, as the Gospels and Revelation reveals it?
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