The coming of the Lord ushers in the end

[Marvelloustime]

And none does repent of his wickedness for they have promised them all life .
They have strengthened the hands of evil doers .
And by means of what most now beleive is love they have completely and utterly decieved this people .
But many seem to no longer know
there is the love of the world , THEN THERE IS THE TRUE AGAPE LOVE OF GOD
and ye cannot be seated in both . THEY will hold to the love of the world
and if the love of the world is the love of a man THEN THE LOVE of the FATHER IS NOT IN HIM
for all that is in the world , the lusts of the flesh , the lust of the eyes , the pride of life
IS NOT of the FATHER but is of the world
NOW go too and examine exactly what their love seems to support
and see what it seems to hate . cant have the love of both for they will hold to the one and despise the other .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Its very bad even now as we speak .
The reason that more and more cannot see we are in a massive fallin away
is due to the fact they were duped into it by means of a false love.
A love that both makes JESUS the minstir of sin and even unbelief as it has made the path to GOD
very very broad . SO broad now that just about every unrepentant one is on it .
The only ones they seem to have a problem with are the sheep who both remind OF the dire necessity to beleive on JESUS
and correct the sins and errors in the church .
Now if we examine this big move called inclusivity and interfaith
you will see anti christ at its core big time . These leaders of christendom
told the unbelieving religoins they serve the same GOD we do . ITS RIGHT THERE .
but if we also take notice they are being promised THIS is the way to PEACE N SAFETY .
And now a word from long long ago .
FOR when they shall say PEACE N safety THEN SUDDEN destruction comes upon them all and they will not escape .
ITS real clear as to what days these be my friend . Clear to the sheep .
A spirit of mass delusion and all out reprobation has been poured upon the nations of this world
and worse upon Even christendom itself . And many now clambor together under the shade
of another one who has come in his own name to decieve and to lead them all to the day of their perdition
as they , the world , the false religoins , even much of christendom
gather as one against the sheep . And beleiving its they who do the will of God . The time is and is coming
when even our own betrayers will be wearing wool .

@amigo de christo

 

[WPM]

Just want to say that I believe these things were fulfilled against Israel in the end of the old covenant age......but it serves as a prefiguration and warning of the judgment that will happen to the mostly Gentile church in the end of this age.

1Co 10:11-12
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Rom 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Please do ask the Lord and test these things but the scritpure says judgment begins with His house.....He judged His house of Israel in 70AD and He is going to judge His apostate deceived church as well in the end of this age of grace. (And then the rest of the unbelieving world). It's no wonder there are so many warnings and admonishments to the church in the new testament.

But this is literally describing the future return of Christ. I presented the case in the Op. It is not a type. It is the antitype.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 16:12-16 describes the period before the coming of Christ: “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of [1] the dragon, (Satan) and out of the mouth of [2] the beast, and out of the mouth of [3] the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

Here we see a vivid record of Satan’s final onslaught before the coming of Christ. This passage shows that there are symbolic frogs coming from the mouths of the dragon, beast and false prophet. We do not need to guess who they are. It tells us that “they are the spirits of devils, working miracles.”

I had mentioned that Jesus said it will be like the days of Noah and that I wasn't sure it would get quite as bad as it was in those days when only 8 people in the world were saved, so how does this relate to that comment exactly? Are you saying what is described there in Revelation 16 is similar to what was happening in the days of Noah before the flood?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Just want to say that I believe these things were fulfilled against Israel in the end of the old covenant age

No, 2 Peter 3:10-13 is without question about the future return of Jesus Christ. Scripture never speaks of "the old covenant age". Jesus spoke of this temporal age in contrast to the eternal age to come (Luke 20:34-36), but never in terms of an old covenant age and new covenant age. Also, the old covenant became obsolete at the cross, not in 70 AD.

......but it serves as a prefiguration and warning of the judgment that will happen to the mostly Gentile church in the end of this age.

I agree that the local event in 70 AD serves as kind of a precursor to the global event that will occur when Jesus returns at the end of this temporal age in the future.

 

[Jay Ross]

No, the coming of the Lord does not usher in the end, but rather, His coming ushers in the beginning of the Age of Eternity.

Believe it or not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, the coming of the Lord does not usher in the end, but rather, His coming ushers in the beginning of the Age of Eternity.

Believe it or not.

Believe what or not? It's not clear what you are saying. What is "the end" that you're talking about exactly?

In my view, His second coming brings an end to this temporal age and the beginning of the eternal age to come. Jesus spoke in terms of two ages and indicated that this age is temporal when people get married and die and the age to come is eternal when people will no longer get married or die (Luke 20:34-36).

 

[WPM]

No, the coming of the Lord does not usher in the end, but rather, His coming ushers in the beginning of the Age of Eternity.

Believe it or not.

He said it was the end, not us. You are arguing with Him.

 

[WPM]

SIn was taken care of... by Jesus Christ on the cross, and his resurrection justified what he had done for the world.

... I don't get why people hate it so much, ... in all honesty. It's rough don't get me wrong, but Jesus took care of the sin...

Paul wrote concerning a rumor in his day in age to his audience about a rumor that the lord had already came, but the thing is he corrected the rumor by telling them the truth.

The truth was it was not that time yet, but that great and dreadful day of the LORD did come in 70Ad...

With everything Yeshua spoke about coming through, but many people hate "fulfilment."

Probably because they wont be able to use "Jesus coming back as their excuse to do the things they may have done or do" or whatever.

You totally avoided the biblical evidence. This is just your own rantings.

 

[WPM]

Just want to say that I believe these things were fulfilled against Israel in the end of the old covenant age......but it serves as a prefiguration and warning of the judgment that will happen to the mostly Gentile church in the end of this age.

1Co 10:11-12
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Rom 2:9
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Please do ask the Lord and test these things but the scritpure says judgment begins with His house.....He judged His house of Israel in 70AD and He is going to judge His apostate deceived church as well in the end of this age of grace. (And then the rest of the unbelieving world). It's no wonder there are so many warnings and admonishments to the church in the new testament.

When was "the end of the old covenant age"?

 

[WPM]

I had mentioned that Jesus said it will be like the days of Noah and that I wasn't sure it would get quite as bad as it was in those days when only 8 people in the world were saved, so how does this relate to that comment exactly? Are you saying what is described there in Revelation 16 is similar to what was happening in the days of Noah before the flood?

Sorry I missed this. I was agreeing with you that it will get pretty bad before Jesus returns.

 

[WPM]

SIn was taken care of... by Jesus Christ on the cross, and his resurrection justified what he had done for the world.

... I don't get why people hate it so much, ... in all honesty. It's rough don't get me wrong, but Jesus took care of the sin...

Paul wrote concerning a rumor in his day in age to his audience about a rumor that the lord had already came, but the thing is he corrected the rumor by telling them the truth.

The truth was it was not that time yet, but that great and dreadful day of the LORD did come in 70Ad...

With everything Yeshua spoke about coming through, but many people hate "fulfilment."

Probably because they wont be able to use "Jesus coming back as their excuse to do the things they may have done or do" or whatever.

Does sin still exist? Does death still exist? Is the curse still active?

 

[Jay Ross]

He said it was the end, not us. You are arguing with Him.

Jesus spoke of the end of the seven ages and that after the final judgement of mankind that Eternity would start.

Here is a list of Jesus using the word "end" in the New Testament. Which of these 22 verses would you like to use to challenge what I had posted: -

1. Matthew 10:22: - And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.
2. Matthew 13:39: - The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
3. Matthew 13:40: - Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
4. Matthew 13:49: - So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
5. Matthew 24:3: - Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
6. Matthew 24:6: - And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7. Matthew 24:13: - But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
8. Matthew 24:14: - And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
9. Matthew 24:31: - And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
10. Matthew 26:58: - But Peter followed Him at a distance to the high priest's courtyard. And he went in and sat with the servants to see the end.
11. Matthew 28:20: - teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
12. Mark 3:26: - And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end.
13. Mark 13:7: - But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled; for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.
14. Mark 13:13: - And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
15. Luke 1:33: - And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."
16. Luke 21:9: - But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."
17. Luke 22:37: - For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."
18. John 13:1: - Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.
19. Revelation 1:8: - "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
20. Revelation 2:26: - And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations —
21. Revelation 21:6: - And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
22. Revelation 22:13: I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."

I am happy for you to quote scripture to prove that I have erred in what I had posted.

 

[MatthewG]

Sorry I missed this. I was agreeing with you that it will get pretty bad before Jesus returns.

Oh yeah, I know for a lot of people it will be that’s what they believe. That’s what they hope to see but I done believe it already happened so I ain’t got nothing to worry about. I’m already dying some type of cancer in my throat so I really don’t care what anyone else has to say God bless.

 

[Lizbeth]

When was "the end of the old covenant age"?

The new covenant which Jesus instituted made the old covenant obsolete....that which is old and obsolete is fading away or ready to vanish away it says in Heb 8:13. God gave Israel space to repent while the old covenant was fading away until it finally ended in 70 AD with the destruction of the Temple and death, dispersion and captivity of the old covenant people.

 

[Lizbeth]

No, 2 Peter 3:10-13 is without question about the future return of Jesus Christ. Scripture never speaks of "the old covenant age". Jesus spoke of this temporal age in contrast to the eternal age to come (Luke 20:34-36), but never in terms of an old covenant age and new covenant age. Also, the old covenant became obsolete at the cross, not in 70 AD.


I agree that the local event in 70 AD serves as kind of a precursor to the global event that will occur when Jesus returns at the end of this temporal age in the future.

From the beginning of a lengthy era to the end of that era can be called an age in the English language, as far as I know...? Yes Jesus instituted the new covenant.......which made the old covenant obsolete and fading away according to Heb 8:13.....it ended finally in 70AD with the destruction of the Temple and removal of the old covenant people.

 

[Lizbeth]

But this is literally describing the future return of Christ. I presented the case in the Op. It is not a type. It is the antitype.

According to the definition I looked up, type means a prefiguring of a future event, and antitype means the fulfillment of the type (of what was being prefigured). What happened to Israel in 70 AD actually happened but was also a type (pre-figure) for a future fulfillment to the Gentiles.

I put it to you that the Lamb of God visited the apostate unbelieving nation of Israel with His wrath.....He came to them in wrath in 70AD. And He visited faithful believing Jews with salvation....by protecting them and providing a way of escape from the wrath. All of which I believe from those two scriptures I quoted, also serves as a figure/ensample for His future coming (visitation) to the Gentiles to judge the unbelieving world and rescue the believing. ( The pouring out of judgment/wrath is referred to as a visitation - a coming - of God in scripture....as well as His visiting/coming to rescue/save.)

 

[WPM]

Oh yeah, I know for a lot of people it will be that’s what they believe. That’s what they hope to see but I done believe it already happened so I ain’t got nothing to worry about. I’m already dying some type of cancer in my throat so I really don’t care what anyone else has to say God bless.

Sorry to hear.

You avoided my questions.

Well, you are testimony to the fact that the curse has not lifted. We're still dealing with sin and sickness death and decay. The NHNE have not arrived.

 

[WPM]

According to the definition I looked up, type means a prefiguring of a future event, and antitype means the fulfillment of the type (of what was being prefigured). What happened to Israel in 70 AD actually happened but was also a type (pre-figure) for a future fulfillment to the Gentiles.

I put it to you that the Lamb of God visited the apostate unbelieving nation of Israel with His wrath.....He came to them in wrath in 70AD. And He visited faithful believing Jews with salvation....by protecting them and providing a way of escape from the wrath. All of which I believe from those two scriptures I quoted, also serves as a figure/ensample for His future coming (visitation) to the Gentiles to judge the unbelieving world and rescue the believing. ( The pouring out of judgment/wrath is referred to as a visitation - a coming - of God in scripture....as well as His visiting/coming to rescue/save.)

Full Preterists are obsessed with the coming of Titus and AD70. That is all they want to talk about. Christians are obsessed with the coming of Christ in the future. That is what they want to talk about.

 

[WPM]

From the beginning of a lengthy era to the end of that era can be called an age in the English language, as far as I know...? Yes Jesus instituted the new covenant.......which made the old covenant obsolete and fading away according to Heb 8:13.....it ended finally in 70AD with the destruction of the Temple and removal of the old covenant people.

The new covenant was fully ushered in at the cross rendering the old TOTALLY redundant. It was dead. The old covenant corpse simply received a decent burial in AD70.