Is it possible to lose salvation?

[GodsGrace]

Yes....>"among" women.........not "blessed above them".........as the Catholic Cult elivates Her.

Jesus didnt.
The Apostles didnt.
The Bible does not.

Only The MARYCULT creates the Marian Theology that is completely false.

YOU are also blessed among men.
So why bring it up?

Mary was God's favorite.
I posted the verse.

Mary was blessed beyond every other woman.

Here's why:

She bore the SON OF GOD.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're a confused MaryCult obsessed.
Same as always.
Your are very theologiclaly ignorant.
You dont recall that i explained all this to you, 15 months ago.
Well, lets hope its not senility ....that has caused you to not remember our long conversation.

Let me try again.......and see if you can outrun your stupidity this time.
That would be something new for you to try. @BreadOfLife

Listen, and think...

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If NOAH and FAMILY, had gotten into the Water, outside the ark that was drowning every living animal and human and insect.... that the verse says "saves"... then they would have DIED.
So, we see that the verse is not teaching water baptism saves....
Do you understand that?
What SAVED them was not the water, ....it was the ARK that kept them out of the water.
Nod if you can comprehend this reality.

Peter never said that the WATER saved them. He said that they were saved THROUGH the water. Good grief – I’m not sure I’ve ever debated coconut before—but this is close . . .

TRY to understand:
Peter says that the water that Noah and his family were saved through was just a symbol that prefigured the REAL saving grace through the water of Baptism.

NOT that difficult to understand, sparky . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

Ronald,

How do you exegesis these two passages: ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

7 to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life;

Curious Mary

PS (Debunking "faith alone")
James 2:14-26 (faith without works is dead)
Acts 2: 38/Mark 16:16 (repent and be baptized and you will be saved)
1 Peter 3:21 (baptism now saves you)
Mathew 25 (if you don't do good deeds he will send you to eternal fire)
Romans 10:9 (profess with your mouth and you will be saved)
John 5 (those who have done good go the resurrection of life)

Correct.
The moment anything is added to faith...
it proves that faith alone is not biblical.
Good post.

 

[BreadOfLife]

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Prayers to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Hail Holy Queen, Hail Mary, Mary, Help of Those in Need, Prayer to Our Lady of Fatima, Prayer to Our Lady of Guadalupe, Prayer to Our Lady of Lourdes, Prayer to Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

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Yikes.

ALL prayers of intercession.
100% Biblical.

 

[GodsGrace]

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Read James better.

Ronald,,,
I have to sign off, but you REALLY should read the above verses again, and slowly.
I'm afraid it's not the other member that is misunderstanding them,,,but YOU.
'night.

 

[ProDeo]

ALL prayers of intercession.
100% Biblical.

Among other things, what's the proof Mary even hears you, Scripture please.

 

[pandaflower]

For those who may be tired of being insulted by "good Catholics" here, remember, in scripture God=Jesus, is the water of life.

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One last thing. Intercessory prayers are Biblical. Jesus taught us to pray for one another,apostles,and others.


What is not Biblical and is never in the Bible is praying to the dead and asking them to intercede on ones behalf.Or, others.

Ecclesiastes 9

5For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward, because the memory of them is forgotten.

 

[Muna]

Among other things, what's the proof Mary even hears you, Scripture please.

And Jesus said,

Matt 18:19 That if TWO of you shall agree ON EARTH as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father (not my mother) which is in heaven.

It's really an unnecessary long distance call that two believers (on earth) which agree together need not make to his mother when Jesus himself tells us very specifically to ask His Father (not her).

And as Mary would say, " Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it."

So here we go,

Luke 11:2 When ye pray, say, OUR FATHER which art in heaven

The scripture gives us no such confidence Mary hears anyone but rather we should have that very confidence in Him

1 John 5:4 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

I know your post was not directed to me I just wanted to add this in (even though it will never go anywhere).

 

[ProDeo]

ALL prayers of intercession.
100% Biblical.

And about intercession :

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
Rom 8:27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

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It's the Holy Spirit who intercedes for us according to the will of God.

Not Mary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And about intercession :
Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words.
Rom 8:27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
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It's the Holy Spirit who intercedes for us according to the will of God.
Not Mary.

WRONG.
The Holy Spirit DOES intercede for us. However – WE are commanded to also intercede for each other.

1 Tim. 2:1-3
First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone, for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity.

James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

1 Cor. 12:21-22 states emphatically says that,:
“The eye cannot say to the hand, ‘I do not need you,’ nor again the head to the feet, ‘I do not need you.’

This passage speaks to the importance of ALL of the parts of the Body. Mary and the Saints in Heaven are ALL parts of the Body of Christ.

The Bible shows that those in Heaven are ALSO interceding for us . . .
Rev. 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.

Rev. 8:3-4
Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne.
The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Among other things, what's the proof Mary even hears you, Scripture please.

The Bible tells us that the saints in Heaven absolutely CAN see and hear us:
Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITENESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us while keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus, the leader and perfecter of faith.

So, because we are surrounded by these witnesses in heaven, we must behave accordingly. They see and hear - NOT on their own, but through Christ.
EVERY ability they have in their glorifies state is through Christ.

In the Parable of the Rich Man - we see that Abraham was able to communicate with the Rich Man in Hades (Luke 16:19-31).
At the Transfiguration - we see that Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him (Matt.17:1–8, Mark 9:2–13, Luke 9:28–36)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have and much better than you. But I'll play along with you. Lets says James is saying works saves. What's he not saying is works alone. I can't read that into the text like you do that would be dishonest intellectually and spiritually.

I don't read works alone. James said this:

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Paul said this:
Paul absolutely says Abraham was not justified by works.

Romans 4

King James Version

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4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

I have not been talking about salvation at all.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald,

How do you exegesis these two passages: ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

7 to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life;

Curious Mary

PS (Debunking "faith alone")
James 2:14-26 (faith without works is dead)
Acts 2: 38/Mark 16:16 (repent and be baptized and you will be saved)
1 Peter 3:21 (baptism now saves you)
Mathew 25 (if you don't do good deeds he will send you to eternal fire)
Romans 10:9 (profess with your mouth and you will be saved)
John 5 (those who have done good go the resurrection of life)

Well tell me how you exegetew these verses:

John 10:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Ephesians 1:4-6

King James Version

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4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Ephesians 2:8-10

King James Version

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Bible tells us that the saints in Heaven absolutely CAN see and hear us:
Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITENESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us while keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus, the leader and perfecter of faith.

So, because we are surrounded by these witnesses in heaven, we must behave accordingly. They see and hear - NOT on their own, but through Christ.
EVERY ability they have in their glorifies state is through Christ.

Sorry but hearing is something you add. There is nothing that says we should pray to them.

 

[nedsk]

I don't read works alone. James said this:

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Paul said this:
Paul absolutely says Abraham was not justified by works.

Romans 4​

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King James Version​

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4 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

I have not been talking about salvation at all.

Too bad because salvation is what matters

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sorry but hearing is something you add. There is nothing that says we should pray to them.

Once again – “Pray” does NOT necessarily mean “worship”.
Pray simply means “to ASK”.

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

As you can see – prayer as “worship” or “adoration” is a secondary definition.
Whenever you ask a favor of someone – you have PRAYED to them. You have not worshipped them.

Acts 27:34 (KJV)
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

 

[nedsk]

Once again – “Pray” does NOT necessarily mean “worship”.
Pray simply means “to ASK”.

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

As you can see – prayer as “worship” or “adoration” is a secondary definition.
Whenever you ask a favor of someone – you have PRAYED to them. You have not worshipped them.

Acts 27:34 (KJV)
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

Shakespeare used the word "pray" as a way of saying please.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Once again – “Pray” does NOT necessarily mean “worship”.
Pray simply means “to ASK”.

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

As you can see – prayer as “worship” or “adoration” is a secondary definition.
Whenever you ask a favor of someone – you have PRAYED to them. You have not worshipped them.

Acts 27:34 (KJV)
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".I already showed you wrong based on the Greek. Rising this from the dead will not change the fact!

We have no command or even implication that we should entreat the saints or angels in heaven to pray for us.

 

[nedsk]

We have no command or even implication that we should entreat the saints or angels in heaven to pray for us.

1 Samuel 28:15-16

 

[shepherdsword]

ALL prayers of intercession.
100% Biblical.

Intercession is only biblical when you pray on the behalf of others. What is happening there is a form of idolaltry.