Jesus became Immortal

[rebuilder 454]

I'm unable because there are none.

It would be one thing if I didn't show you several. But I did.
You cannot be reached.
Sad indeed

 

[Hiddenthings]

It would be one thing if I didn't show you several. But I did.
You cannot be reached.
Sad indeed

Well, I could be if you spoke according to the Word of God and not the traditions of men.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Always a mistake to quote this without all of what Jesus said 454 - I'll let you find it and learn

I'm unable because there are none.

SMH

 

[keithr]

As I told all cultists, you can not answer WHY IT HAD TO BE GOD ON THE CROSS.

Because no man could give their life as a sacrifice because all men are unrighteous and sinners - Romans 3:10-12 (WEB):

(10) As it is written, “There is no one righteous; no, not one.​

(11) There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God.​

(12) They have all turned away. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not so much as one.”​

God's perfect justice is a life for a life, so in order to redeem Adam's life (and all who are descended from him, all having inherited his sinful nature) the sacrifice had to be a perfect, sinless man (as Adam was before he sinned). God changed His Son's nature to be human, perfect (not inheriting the sinful nature because he did not have a human father - hence the need of the virgin birth), and Jesus lived a sinless life, so his willing sacrifice of his human life was acceptable.

Hebrews 10:5 (WEB):

(5) Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, “Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire, but you prepared a body for me.​

 

[rebuilder 454]

Always a mistake to quote this without all of what Jesus said 454 - I'll let you find it and learn

rebuilder 454 said:
Jesus said " kill me and I will raise myself from the dead".

Your sad reply:
Always a mistake to quote this without all of what Jesus said 454 - I'll let you find it and learn

Here ya go:
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up"

Trample that one.

You will

 

[rebuilder 454]

Because no man could give their life as a sacrifice because all men are unrighteous and sinners - Romans 3:10-12 (WEB):

(10) As it is written, “There is no one righteous; no, not one.​

(11) There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God.​

(12) They have all turned away. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not so much as one.”​

God's perfect justice is a life for a life, so in order to redeem Adam's life (and all who are descended from him, all having inherited his sinful nature) the sacrifice had to be a perfect, sinless man (as Adam was before he sinned). God changed His Son's nature to be human, perfect (not inheriting the sinful nature because he did not have a human father - hence the need of the virgin birth), and Jesus lived a sinless life, so hiw willing sacrifice of his human life was acceptable.

Hebrews 10:5 (WEB):

(5) Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, “Sacrifice and offering you didn’t desire, but you prepared a body for me.​

So you agree?
Only God on the cross could satisfy the requirements?

 

[rebuilder 454]

@rebuilder 454 no one is mocking anything in this OP.

It has been established that God raised His Son from the grave before decay and corruption could set in, and clothed Him with immortality and eternal life.

We have clearly established that David believed this, Jesus Himself taught it to the disciples, and the apostle Paul later confirmed it as well.

Three rather reliable witnesses.

All PEOPLE THAT DIE ARE IMMORTAL.

YOU DID NOT KNOW THAT?

 

[rebuilder 454]

You simply can not make the connection.
Ahem.... The connection is they mocking in his deity.
You really cannot grasp that?
You cannot grasp that the Roman soldiers attacked his deity, and mocked him.?
Suggesting ,as all religious people do, that he's not really deity?

Try harder.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[rebuilder 454]

Well, I could be if you spoke according to the Word of God and not the traditions of men.

All the verses I gave you????
Trolling is weakness friend

 

[Hiddenthings]

rebuilder 454 said:
Jesus said " kill me and I will raise myself from the dead".

Your sad reply:
Always a mistake to quote this without all of what Jesus said 454 - I'll let you find it and learn

Here ya go:
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up"

Trample that one.

You will

I find you rather interesting 454, aggressive, angry almost but you clearly hold to what you believe.

Jesus had the authority to lay down his life and take it up again because, as he himself said, “This commandment have I received from my Father” (John 10:18). Therefore, his actions were not for his own sake but in obedience to the Father’s will.

A dead man cannot raise himself from the grave.

God raised His Son!

Acts 2:24
“God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.”

Acts 2:32
“This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.”

Acts 3:15
“And you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.”

Acts 4:10
“...by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead...”

Acts 5:30
“The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.”

Acts 10:40
“God raised him on the third day and made him to appear...”

Acts 13:30
“But God raised him from the dead...”

Acts 13:37
“But he whom God raised up did not see corruption.”

Acts 17:31
“...he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
(“God” is implied here but not explicitly stated.)

Acts 26:8
“Why should it be thought incredible by you that God raises the dead?”

 

[rebuilder 454]

The weak displays of attempts to disenfranchised the deity of Jesus.
No debate at all.
Weak weak attempts.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I find you rather interesting 454, aggressive, angry almost but you clearly hold to what you believe.

Jesus had the authority to lay down his life and take it up again because, as he himself said, “This commandment have I received from my Father” (John 10:18). Therefore, his actions were not for his own sake but in obedience to the Father’s will.

A dead man cannot raise himself from the grave.

God raised His Son!

Acts 2:24
“God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.”

Acts 2:32
“This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.”

Acts 3:15
“And you killed the Author of life, whom God raised from the dead. To this we are witnesses.”

Acts 4:10
“...by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead...”

Acts 5:30
“The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.”

Acts 10:40
“God raised him on the third day and made him to appear...”

Acts 13:30
“But God raised him from the dead...”

Acts 13:37
“But he whom God raised up did not see corruption.”

Acts 17:31
“...he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”
(“God” is implied here but not explicitly stated.)

Acts 26:8
“Why should it be thought incredible by you that God raises the dead?”

I totally understand you anger and frustration.

Calm down and show us where God was mistaken about the deity of Jesus.

 

[keithr]

So you agree?
Only God on the cross could satisfy the requirements?

No, that is not a logical deduction! Only a perfect sinless man could pay Adam's penalty for sin in his place. God is not a man, nor can he become a mortal man:

Numbers 23:19 (WEB):

(19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?​

Malachi 3:6 (WEB):

(6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.​

 

[Hiddenthings]

I totally understand you anger and frustration.

Calm down and show us where God was mistaken about the deity of Jesus.

From anger to funny man! Impressive.

You genuinely have nothing constructive to add to this OP do you?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Maybe you are not quick on the uptake but God wasn't on the cross - the Lord Jesus Christ was.

The Apostles never used the blah blah blah's but certainly mentioned many many times of his true nature. Hebrews 2:14; Romans 8:3 for a start.

Upright yes but not sinless.

Why was the Son of Man needed 454?

“We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.” Romans 6:9

A lot going on in that verse for you to unpack.

Can God have deaths dominion over Him?
Can God die?
Can God be held in a grave?
Can God be raised from the dead?

No 454 - but Jesus....YES!

Your deal is 100% conjecture.
The verses I posted clearly point to The DEITY OF JESUS.

YOU HAVE YET TO ADDRESS THEM.

Show me where it is error in the bible.
Not sister verses to make verses magically disappear.
Point to the deity verses.

So far you have not.
That is weak friend.
You just talk around them.

 

[Hiddenthings]

No, that is not a logical deduction! Only a perfect sinless man could pay Adam's penalty for sin in his place. God id not a man, nor can he become a mortal man:

Numbers 23:19 (WEB):

(19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?​

Malachi 3:6 (WEB):

(6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.​

I think his MO is to be himself and some

 

[rebuilder 454]

No, that is not a logical deduction! Only a perfect sinless man could pay Adam's penalty for sin in his place. God id not a man, nor can he become a mortal man:

Numbers 23:19 (WEB):

(19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?​

Malachi 3:6 (WEB):

(6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.​

Exactly.
The Bible is not from your mind.
It is from God.
God says Jesus Is deity.
Clearly.
Then you come along and say he is not.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I think his MO is to be himself and some

Is Jesus created...or the creator.

 

[rebuilder 454]

From anger to funny man! Impressive.

You genuinely have nothing constructive to add to this OP do you?

Is Jesus created, or creator.
No games or snippy little dodges.
Answer the question.

 

[Hiddenthings]

"For as the Father has life in Himself, so He (God) has granted the Son also to have life in himself." — John 5:26

Do you see how this fully supports 1 Timothy 6:13 that God (singular) is the true giver of life?

Throughout Scripture, we see that God is greater than Christ (John 14:28), and that Jesus remains subordinate to the Father, though he reveals Him perfectly. Jesus was sent by God (via His HS Power), lived a sinless life, and now serves as the mediator between God and mankind (1 Timothy 2:5; John 17:3).

This understanding is supported by many passages:

• Jesus' dependence on the Father (John 5:26–30)
• His prayers of submission (Luke 22:42)
• God's role in raising him from the dead (Romans 4:24)
• His future subjection to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24–28)
• And the distinction between God and Jesus in divine purpose (Ephesians 1:3,17; Revelation 1:1)

In short, Jesus is God’s Son, not God Himself, fully obedient, appointed, and glorified by the Father, who alone is the supreme source of life (Hosea 11:9; James 1:13; Titus 1:2; Hebrews 4:15).

@rebuilder 454 if God gave Jesus Immortality (Eternal Life) who is the Creator and who is the created?