The coming of the Lord ushers in the end

[WPM]

His word is lamp unto our feet and light unto our path. I'm just pointing out an aspect that not many have cottoned on to, and which the Lord was gracious to open my eyes to fairly recently, just maybe three years ago or so ago. Since what was to the Jew first foreshadows what is coming to the Gentile, I believe this needs to be understood and looked at.

Our blessed hope is the salvation/eternal life that is to be brought to us at His appearing. Christ in us is the HOPE of glory, and who hopes for what he already has? For the vast majority of believers all down through history this will happen after our death so it behooves us all at any time in history to be ready for the Lord at any time because no one knows the day and hour of our death either.

Why do you Preterist not talk about the hope? Why are you fixated with judgment? Why are you fixated with Titus? Why are you fixated with AD70? Why are you fixated with Jerusalem? Why are you fixated with the Jews back then? That is all you guys want to talk about. That is not applicable to us today. We are Christians who are forgiven looking for Christ our Savior to come and rescue us from this mess.

Jesus said in Matt 12:34: "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

The bottom line is, Preterists have their focus on the wrong thing. They are not getting it. Their foolish obsession is a distraction of the enemy.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Luke 18:6-8KJV
6 And the Lord said, Hear what the unjust judge saith.
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

Yes, I pointed out Luke 18:8 in another post. Because of the mass falling away and the restraint of wickedness being removed, as Paul wrote about in 2 Thessalonian 2, that shows that there would be a relative lack of faith on the earth when He returns. I don't think just 8 people in the world like in Noah's day, but it will be bad and, as Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 3:13, wicked people will just get worse and worse. And it seems headed in that direction now.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If just quote that one verse, you have to take the whole context of the narrative given in the bible.....

Because Revelation stated he was coming quickly.

But alas, people only desire to mess around and just believe whatever they want to despite context because who cares, it's only about what they believe...

You are the one who doesn't understand context or the meanings of words. Jesus saying that He was coming quickly in Revelation has nothing to do with how long it was going to be until He came. The Greek word means very fast or immediately and He did not come immediately after the book of Revelation was written. Him coming quickly refers to how quick it will be once He comes. Once the time comes for Him to descend from heaven, it will happen quickly like lightning flashes from the east to the west (Matthew 24:27). When He comes, He will bring unexpected and "SUDDEN destruction" upon the earth (1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10) and that's what it means for Him to come quickly. Once He comes, things will happen suddenly/quickly.

 

[soberxp]

Yes all true I fully agree but what will trigger that day?

The second coming of Jesus

Remember when I was a kid, Seven or eight years old When I go to bed at night The alarm clock at the head of the bed did not know why it fell to floor What I see was the slow motion of falling It's like watching pics frame by frame Not at normal speed Then the bed flew up on its own Because...

christianchat.com

Read it carefully. A false witness is no good to me.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why do you Preterist not talk about the hope? Why are you fixated with judgment? Why are you fixated with Titus? Why are you fixated with AD70? Why are you fixated with Jerusalem? Why are you fixated with the Jews back then? That is all you guys want to talk about. That is not applicable to us today. We are Christians who are forgiven looking for Christ our Savior to come and rescue us from this mess.

Jesus said in Matt 12:34: "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

The bottom line is, Preterists have their focus on the wrong thing. They are not getting it. Their foolish obsession is a distraction of the enemy.

But it's not about judgment only. The believing Jews of that day believed and heeded Jesus' warnings and were spared the judgment (those who hadn't fallen away). I believe that is a picture (in type) for things concerning the end of this age (times of the Gentiles).

 

[WPM]

But it's not about judgment only. The believing Jews of that day believed and heeded Jesus' warnings and were spared the judgment (those who hadn't fallen away). I believe that is a picture (in type) for things concerning the end of this age (times of the Gentiles).

I have been on forums like this since the year 2000. All Preterists want to talk about is AD70, Titus, judgment, Jerusalem and the Jews. It gets old after a while. They are obsessed with these. There is no discussions about the glorious climatic return of Jesus Christ. There's no discussions about the afterlife. There is just post after post about AD70. Frankly, it is ridiculous. It is a distraction of the enemy.

Anytime any of the rest of us want to talk about this momentous event you Preterists are there to try and tear it down, pull it apart, belittle it and attack it. It is impossible to get you temperature temperature even know it will be the most glorious and pivotal moment in history.

 

[soberxp]

Anytime any of the rest of us want to talk about this momentous event you Preterists are there to try and tear it down, pull it apart, belittle it and attack it. It is impossible to get you temperature temperature even know it will be the most glorious and pivotal moment in history.

I try so hard and got so far,in the end, it doesn't even matter,I had to fall to lose it all, in the end, it doesn't even matter.

 

[Lizbeth]

I have been on forums like this since the year 2000. All Preterists want to talk about is AD70, Titus, judgment, Jerusalem and the Jews. It gets old after a while. They are obsessed with these. There is no discussions about the glorious climatic return of Jesus Christ. There's no discussions about the afterlife. There is just post after post about AD70. Frankly, it is ridiculous. It is a distraction of the enemy.

Anytime any of the rest of us want to talk about this momentous event you Preterists are there to try and tear it down, pull it apart, belittle it and attack it. It is impossible to get you temperature temperature even know it will be the most glorious and pivotal moment in history.

I enjoyed your OP brother. I only wanted to make mention of how Jesus was prophesying to Israel and how we the church also need to take warning from the things He said and what happened to Jerusalem/Israel in 70AD. As scripture says the things that happened to Israel are for the church's example and admonishment. We need to remove our religious blinders to rightly divide the word....religious blinders are never a good thing. But I have no interest in arguing fruitlessly about it with those who don't want to see, and have only been reluctantly responding to some of the push-back. I will leave it there.

 

[Lizbeth]

I have been on forums like this since the year 2000. All Preterists want to talk about is AD70, Titus, judgment, Jerusalem and the Jews. It gets old after a while. They are obsessed with these. There is no discussions about the glorious climatic return of Jesus Christ. There's no discussions about the afterlife. There is just post after post about AD70. Frankly, it is ridiculous. It is a distraction of the enemy.

Anytime any of the rest of us want to talk about this momentous event you Preterists are there to try and tear it down, pull it apart, belittle it and attack it. It is impossible to get you temperature temperature even know it will be the most glorious and pivotal moment in history.

I wasn't going to bother saying this, but I changed my mind. In my observation an unbalanced over-focus on eschatological things has completely distracted and derailed the church from what she is supposed to still actually be occupying herself with until He comes, namely the gospel. To the point where the church has completely lost the plot of what the gospel is and what she should be doing, and thus completely lost ground in society to the point where both the church and Christendom (western civilization) are now circling the drain and coming under judgment.

The gospel is about PERSONAL salvation of each soul, and each soul then being purified from all filthiness of flesh and spirit in order to be made ready for the Lord, whether through death or at His coming again in history. And as I tried to point out for the vast majority of believers down through history it is through death.....so nobody should let end time things distract or derail us from the personal nature of the gospel and mission Jesus gave to the church.

 

[IndianaRob]

I wasn't going to bother saying this, but I changed my mind. In my observation an unbalanced over-focus on eschatological things has completely distracted and derailed the church from what she is supposed to still actually be occupying herself with until He comes, namely the gospel. To the point where the church has completely lost the plot of what the gospel is and what she should be doing, and thus completely lost ground in society to the point where both the church and Christendom (western civilization) are now circling the drain and coming under judgment.

The gospel is about PERSONAL salvation of each soul, and each soul then being purified from all filthiness of flesh and spirit in order to be made ready for the Lord, whether through death or at His coming again in history. And as I tried to point out for the vast majority of believers down through history it is through death.....so nobody should let end time things distract or derail us from the personal nature of the gospel and mission Jesus gave to the church.

I see where your coming from and pretty much agree with you but look at how many Christians are sitting back waiting for the “rapture” and the second coming while they watch the genocide of the entire western world happen. I think correct eschatological views are top of the priority list during these times.

 

[WPM]

I wasn't going to bother saying this, but I changed my mind. In my observation an unbalanced over-focus on eschatological things has completely distracted and derailed the church from what she is supposed to still actually be occupying herself with until He comes, namely the gospel. To the point where the church has completely lost the plot of what the gospel is and what she should be doing, and thus completely lost ground in society to the point where both the church and Christendom (western civilization) are now circling the drain and coming under judgment.

The gospel is about PERSONAL salvation of each soul, and each soul then being purified from all filthiness of flesh and spirit in order to be made ready for the Lord, whether through death or at His coming again in history. And as I tried to point out for the vast majority of believers down through history it is through death.....so nobody should let end time things distract or derail us from the personal nature of the gospel and mission Jesus gave to the church.

I do not think end-times theology is the main issue within the professing church, it is apathy and compromise.

 

[WPM]

I enjoyed your OP brother. I only wanted to make mention of how Jesus was prophesying to Israel and how we the church also need to take warning from the things He said and what happened to Jerusalem/Israel in 70AD. As scripture says the things that happened to Israel are for the church's example and admonishment. We need to remove our religious blinders to rightly divide the word....religious blinders are never a good thing. But I have no interest in arguing fruitlessly about it with those who don't want to see, and have only been reluctantly responding to some of the push-back. I will leave it there.

I understand, but you did not address my concern.

 

[Lizbeth]

I see where your coming from and pretty much agree with you but look at how many Christians are sitting back waiting for the “rapture” and the second coming while they watch the genocide of the entire western world happen. I think correct eschatological views are top of the priority list during these times.

Brother, I would say the GOSPEL should have been the top priority at all times and even more near the end. The demise of western civilization (aka Christendom) is the consequence and God's judgment for falling away from Him.......just like He sent apostate Israel a spirit of stupor, that is what the west is dealing with now. A spirit of stupor/drunkenness in the form of "political correctness" and "virtue signalling" that is causing the west to be the author of its own demise by shooting itself in the foot by corruption and by committing cultural and racial suicide. God also told Israel if they fell away they would be ruled by the heathen in their midst. Not to mention ultimately invaded by the heathen.

The minds of so many have been taken captive by a hive-mind cult spirit that defies plain reason and will not tolerate the slightest questioning or dissent.....it has a tremendous fear and intolerance of the light of truth. It's like mass cognitive dissonance going on...it literally is another spirit that has come in and it comes only to steal, kill and destroy. Evil has always been here since the beginning operating under cover of darkness, and Jesus is the only one who has protected the west and kept evil at bay all this time for the church's sake, those who believe and follow Him, but the restrainer is being taken away in recent times...I believe God's Spirit is departing because of being grieved at all the sin and faithlessness and false gospels in the camp.

And what is the church doing about it...? Instead of returning to the Lord and preaching His gospel to raise the standard of God's word against the Adversary once again, which is the ONLY hope of turning this around, they have turned to politics. That is a deception and another sign of apostasy. Our weapons are not carnal but spiritual because we're not wrestling with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities in high places. Carnal weapons and institutions are useless against a spiritual enemy. But of course this is a matter of faith....so it's no wonder Jesus said when He comes will He find faith on the earth......supposed Christians mock and get mad when you try to speak about these things which are a matter of faith...they are not exercising faith and so are blind to Godly wisdom/truth. But all the politics and politicians in the world cannot win against the Lord God Almighty when once He has turned to become our enemy. It will only make matters worse because it's like doubling down on faithlessness.

2Th 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Falling away goes hand in hand with the son of perdition being revealed, and we sure seem to be seeing that pattern these days, oh my. These are troubling times. Jesus said to not let our hearts be troubled, but it is hard not to be.

 

[Lizbeth]

I do not think end-times theology is the main issue within the professing church, it is apathy and compromise.

Chicken/egg maybe. There are lots of issues and factors contributing to them, I agree, and I am only pointing out one of them in my post. One derailment leads to a domino of more derailments down the line.

 

[WPM]

I wasn't going to bother saying this, but I changed my mind. In my observation an unbalanced over-focus on eschatological things has completely distracted and derailed the church from what she is supposed to still actually be occupying herself with until He comes, namely the gospel. To the point where the church has completely lost the plot of what the gospel is and what she should be doing, and thus completely lost ground in society to the point where both the church and Christendom (western civilization) are now circling the drain and coming under judgment.

The gospel is about PERSONAL salvation of each soul, and each soul then being purified from all filthiness of flesh and spirit in order to be made ready for the Lord, whether through death or at His coming again in history. And as I tried to point out for the vast majority of believers down through history it is through death.....so nobody should let end time things distract or derail us from the personal nature of the gospel and mission Jesus gave to the church.

But this is my point:

I have been on forums like this since the year 2000. All Preterists want to talk about is AD70, Titus, judgment, Jerusalem and the Jews. It gets old after a while. They are obsessed with these. There is no discussions about the glorious climatic return of Jesus Christ. There's no discussions about the afterlife. There is just post after post about AD70. Frankly, it is ridiculous. It is a distraction of the enemy.

Anytime any of the rest of us want to talk about this momentous event you Preterists are there to try and tear it down, pull it apart, belittle it and attack it. It is impossible to get you temperature temperature even know it will be the most glorious and pivotal moment in history.

 

[IndianaRob]

Preterist have some things right and non-preterist have some things right but the two want learn from each other to come to the real truth.

 

[WPM]

Preterist have some things right and non-preterist have some things right but the two want learn from each other to come to the real truth.

Being obsessed about the coming of Titus in AD70 is certainly not one of those things they have right.

 

[IndianaRob]

Being obsessed about the coming of Titus in AD70 is certainly not one of those things they have right.

I completely agree but since they think (based on bible verses) that Jesus had to return within the lifetimes of those present with Jesus, they pigeon hole the second coming into 70 AD. Probably because of Josephus’ writings.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, I pointed out Luke 18:8 in another post. Because of the mass falling away and the restraint of wickedness being removed, as Paul wrote about in 2 Thessalonian 2, that shows that there would be a relative lack of faith on the earth when He returns. I don't think just 8 people in the world like in Noah's day, but it will be bad and, as Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 3:13, wicked people will just get worse and worse. And it seems headed in that direction now.

I Agree 100%

Homosexuals behind pulpits and being married with the governments approval around the world?

60 million unborn children being killed annually in the world (Abortion)?

Homosexuality being pushed on innocent children in public schools behind parents backs?

How much more will the Lord Jesus allow to take place?

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[WPM]

I completely agree but since they think (based on bible verses) that Jesus had to return within the lifetimes of those present with Jesus, they pigeon hole the second coming into 70 AD. Probably because of Josephus’ writings.

I know. Which results in them never talking about the cross or about the future return of Christ or the age to come.