Is it possible to lose salvation?

[GodsGrace]

Well tell me how you exegetew these verses:

John 10:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Hi Ronald,,,,
We Protestants have a problem....
we don't seem to be able to agree on some basic doctrine.
Basically due to some new, modern ideas that have come about that never existed in the early church.

Know why they didn't exist in the early church?
Because Jesus, Paul and others did not teach them.
Because the Apostles did not teach them.

They came to be taught starting in the 1500's and some stuff in the 1800's.

So, the the above post is not for me, but I'll answer it anyway.

Let's see if you'll read the reply and give it some thought:
Here is what you posted:

John 10:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Correct. Jesus' sheep HEAR his voice....and they FOLLOW Him.
As long as we do this, we will be saved. I think we can all agree.

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Yes. Jesus gives eternal life to HIS SHEEP....those who HEAR Him and follow Him.
Does every person who claims to HEAR, hear
and does every person who claims to FOLLOW, follow?
Some do and some don't.
Are those who don't His sheep?
Will Jesus give eternal life to those that do NOT HEAR Him
and do NOT FOLLOW Him?



29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Yes sir. WHO can pluck me out of God's hand?
No one.
But I can certainly walk out of His hand using only my free will to STOP HEARING Him
and STOP FOLLOWING Him.

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Yes sir.
Jesus will not reject anyone...
Who HEARS
and
Who FOLLOWS.

Ephesians 1:4-6​

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4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Are you reformed/Calvinist?
Do you think Ephesians 1:4-6 states that God chooses some and not others?
Read 4 to 6 again and then please explain WHAT is predestined...or HOW it is predestined.

Ephesians 2:8-10​

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Oh. So now we're saved by God's grace THROUGH FAITH?
So which is it?
Are we saved by FAITH
or does God CHOOSE who will be saved??

Can't be both.

And please note your verse,,,,Ephesians 2:10
Seems we are created for good works.

Do you NOT believe we are to do good works?

 

[GodsGrace]

As soon as you exegete the verses I gaqve you I will be more than happy to show you those verses you posted.

LOL
@Marymog asked you first !

Come on Ronals Nolette....
what YOU believe causes much conflict in NT teachings.

I'll await your reply to my post to you.

 

[nedsk]

Ignorance is bliss ;)

No wonder you're so happy

 

[nedsk]

I understand very well about the communion of saints and how we all participate in the Mass, for instance.
There is no "death".

However, we die and if God would so will it...go to heaven.

When we get there, how will we hear anyone's prayers....no matter HOW you want to define prayer.

Do you really believe St. Anthony, for instance, hears all the prayers to him?

Although I may not agree with every Catholic doctrine,,,I can still understand them.
I CANNOT understand how anyone in heaven could possibly hear our prayers.

So therein lies problem. If you can't understand it then it can't be possible? How does Jesus give us his flesh to eat and his blood to drink in the Eucharist? I don't understand how but I believe thats what Jesus said it is.

 

[nedsk]

@nedsk
I checked.
HOW one receives communion is not a doctrine.
Thus, we can do as we want.
Also, they (priests and extraord ministers) feel that taking the host in the hand is more hygienic.
Although, this was never said to me by a priest.
(info from Deacon).

No we can't do what we want. The priest can't toss them like frisbee to try and get it in your mouth. There are practices and I said that practices were more like doctrine than dogma.

I avoid receiving in the tongue from people I know have touched my tongue when distributing Communion. I don't everybody else's stuff on my tongue

 

[GodsGrace]

No we can't do what we want. The priest can't toss them like frisbee to try and get it in your mouth. There are practices and I said that practices were more like doctrine than dogma.

I avoid receiving in the tongue from people I know have touched my tongue when distributing Communion. I don't everybody else's stuff on my tongue

How one receives Communion is NOT doctrine.

That was my point.
Not speaking about flying hosts...

 

[GodsGrace]

So therein lies problem. If you can't understand it then it can't be possible? How does Jesus give us his flesh to eat and his blood to drink in the Eucharist? I don't understand how but I believe thats what Jesus said it is.

LOL
We don't understand a lot about God.
My "not understanding" is based on Biblical info and Theological knowledge.

 

[GodsGrace]

So therein lies problem. If you can't understand it then it can't be possible? How does Jesus give us his flesh to eat and his blood to drink in the Eucharist? I don't understand how but I believe thats what Jesus said it is.

BTW
Jesus said it was His body.
He did Not say to pray to persons that had passed away.

 

[Pet]

No wonder you're so happy

Aaah Christian love ;)

 

[Pet]

§Was going to let there go because, apparently, there's a misunderstanding beyond recooping.

However I changed my mind for those reading along.

WHEN did I ever say that there is no victory in being Christian?
WHEN did I ever say that we have to wait to die?
WHEN did I ever deny §God's divine power.

And "they do not know what they do".
Are you Jesus hanging on the cross?

Yes. You post like those that believe they are sinless.
If you're going to reply to a post,,,
read it first and try to understand what the poster is saying.

OK.

§Was going to let there go because, apparently, there's a misunderstanding beyond recooping.

However I changed my mind for those reading along.

WHEN did I ever say that there is no victory in being Christian?
WHEN did I ever say that we have to wait to die?
WHEN did I ever deny §God's divine power.

And "they do not know what they do".
Are you Jesus hanging on the cross?

Yes. You post like those that believe they are sinless.
If you're going to reply to a post,,,
read it first and try to understand what the poster is saying.

What does "if The Son sets you free, you will be free indeed" mean to you?
And i'll quote stephen...Lord, lay not this sin to their charge.

 

[BreadOfLife]

BTW
Jesus said it was His body.
He did Not say to pray to persons that had passed away.

He didn't say NOT to.

We ARE told, however to pray and intercede for one another as the Body of Christ. Paul explains in 1 Cor. 11 that the Body has many parts - and they ALL need each other.

If we, the parts of the Body of Christ ALL need each other - why would we NOT ask each other for intercession?

Do you only do what the Bible says to do?
Where does the Bible give this instruction?

 

[Pet]

So therein lies problem. If you can't understand it then it can't be possible? How does Jesus give us his flesh to eat and his blood to drink in the Eucharist? I don't understand how but I believe thats what Jesus said it is.

It's called consubstantiation. Duh!
It seems you're as blissfully happy as me

 

[BreadOfLife]

Where is the victory, if Christians wait until they die?
May as well die as soon as they're born again ??
Lord Jesus, forgive believers for denying Your divine power. they do not know what they do.

We have victory in Christ when we come to Him in Baptism and repentance, living lives of faith. We have a moral assurance of our fate.

What we DON’T have is a guarantee that we won’t lose our security. NOT because God will takt it away from us – but that WE will walk away and return to our former way of life, as MANY do – and as the disciples did in John 6:66.

 

[nedsk]

How one receives Communion is NOT doctrine.

That was my point.
Not speaking about flying hosts...

I did say it was. AGAIN I said it was more like doctrine that dogma. That's what I said.

I don't understand your point then. Please clarify

 

[nedsk]

LOL
We don't understand a lot about God.
My "not understanding" is based on Biblical info and Theological knowledge.

Thats fine but your understanding isnt integral to what God teaches.

 

[nedsk]

BTW
Jesus said it was His body.
He did Not say to pray to persons that had passed away.

No he said flesh. John 6:51 then verses 53, 54, 55, 56

 

[nedsk]

Aaah Christian love ;)

Ignorance is bliss is that want you said and now you're going to preach to me about Christian love? I've been through this rodeo too many times with you folks

 

[nedsk]

It's called consubstantiation. Duh!
It seems you're as blissfully happy as me

No that what Luther called it. And it's not what Jesus said.

I'm not that blissful

 

[nedsk]

We have victory in Christ when we come to Him in Baptism and repentance, living lives of faith. We have a moral assurance of our fate.

What we DON’T have is a guarantee that we won’t lose our security. NOT because God will takt it away from us – but that WE will walk away and return to our former way of life, as MANY do – and as the disciples did in John 6:66.

Amen! They seem to conflate the 2 things.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Amen! They seem to conflate the 2 things.

Yup.
Everybody forgets that we still have a free will . . .