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jaybird

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as well as the mountain of bible passages that disprove the trinity, there are also many common sense facts that disprove it. the trinity was invented almost 300 years after Jesus. trins will claim it was always there but Jews were to absent minded to see or understand it. this would mean that great men like Moses, Elijah, and Samuel didnt understand it. basically a group of politicians in rome, who were famous for their corruption and debauchery, understood the bible better than Moses, one the Lord called His favorite. these ideas are absurd
 

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no the passage does not mention plural beings, it says one being is Jesus, and one being is the Most High.

are you saying Stephen saw 4 beings in the heavens? 2 Jesus and 2 G-D? ohh boy . .

this is why the church burned people alive because these doctrines do not hold water when put to the test. burning people alive was the only way, the church had to scare people with the threat of death to make the doctrine work.
Jesus and the 12 didnt burn people alive.
Once you understand the HS is God's Power and Jesus is the Son of an All-Powerful God everything makes sense.

 

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Once you understand the HS is God's Power and Jesus is the Son of an All-Powerful God everything makes sense.

1. The wholly spirit is the directing power of God from God's mind. Same with created animals, beast, etc. but not plants.
2. Jesus is not the son of himself.

Perhaps, I am little redundant here.
 

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1. The wholly spirit is the directing power of God from God's mind. Same with created animals, beast, etc. but not plants.
2. Jesus is not the son of himself.

Perhaps, I am little redundant here.
David, Jesus and Paul all agree on the One source of Life.
 

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Once you understand the HS is God's Power and Jesus is the Son of an All-Powerful God everything makes sense.


i agree, goes with the agency idea, sodom, burning bush, both examples of G-D interacting with this world, bible says it is G-D but bible also says it was angels. an angel acting on the authority of G-D is the same as G-D. with the Most High being a spiritual being i think this is they way He acts here, He uses a physical form.
 
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Jesus is the creator.
Jesus is God
The father is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

Jesus became man
He never stopped being God.
God is plurality.
" ..let us Make man an our image"

It had to be God on the cross.
The cross led to the grave.
The grave was where He resurrected.

The resurrection was WHY it had to be God as the sacrifice.
No other man could resurrect.
It HAD TO BE God in the cross.
It HAD TO BE Jesus

Those components and others make up the trinity.

The trinity is a string of facts.

Not to be unpacked by men's minds.
They are true.
So we believe them and take God at His word.
It's hard to imagine the issue is still debated. Is Jesus God?

The Bible is full of proof he was.

Besides the one God scripture there's Isaiah 43:11.
I , I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.
 
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It's hard to imagine the issue is still debated. Is Jesus God?

The Bible is full of proof he was.

Besides the one God scripture there's Isaiah 43:11.
I , I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.
MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN:

Hezekiah and Christ both represent the faithful servant in Isa 43, the elect one on whose behalf God acts. As Jesus declared, “I bear witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me” (John 8:18). 1 John 5:9 and John 15:27 for related testimony.
 

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@pandaflower

Understanding how God works is an important aspect of knowing Him.

Exodus 23:20-21 “Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared.
21 Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, since my name is in him.”

Delegated authority is a good place to start.
 

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MY SERVANT WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN:

Hezekiah and Christ both represent the faithful servant in Isa 43, the elect one on whose behalf God acts. As Jesus declared, “I bear witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me” (John 8:18). 1 John 5:9 and John 15:27 for related testimony.
Jesus never said He came in His own name, but that He came in the name of His Father. Jesus had the authority of His Father.
G-D does not need the authority of anyone, G-D stands on His own authority
 
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It's hard to imagine the issue is still debated. Is Jesus God?

The Bible is full of proof he was.

Besides the one God scripture there's Isaiah 43:11.
I , I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior.
And before that the scriptures declare in Isa that Jesus is " the everlasting Father ".

No human mind can wrap itself around the deity verses .
It is outta everyone's mind.
Humanoid mind is limited.
 
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Jesus never said He came in His own name, but that He came in the name of His Father. Jesus had the authority of His Father.
G-D does not need the authority of anyone, G-D stands on His own authority
Under that explanation, a human fathers son is not human.
Man creates a statue.
Man beats a son.

It is in this realm you can not peice heaven together.
All truth comes FROM HEAVEN.
NOT from men and their cunning explaining of how God exists.
" ....since I see this, then we can conclude this other....."

Nope.
The bible stands in its truth.
Whether you guys understand any of it.
 

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Under that explanation, a human fathers son is not human.
Man creates a statue.
Man beats a son.

It is in this realm you can not peice heaven together.
All truth comes FROM HEAVEN.
NOT from men and their cunning explaining of how God exists.
" ....since I see this, then we can conclude this other....."

Nope.
The bible stands in its truth.
Whether you guys understand any of it.
what in the world are you going on about? this is literally just random nonesense.
Jesus - "I come in the name of My Father"
you - "that statement means a fathers son is not human"

????
 

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trins use lots of deception when trying to teach the trinity, one of the best examples is when they try and teach the early church fathers believed the trinity such as Tertullian, this is in fact incorrect. this is actually what Tertullian teaches"

against praxeas 9
"because the Father is not the same as the Son, since they differ one from the other in the mode of their being. For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole, as He Himself acknowledges: My Father is greater than I. John 14:28 In the Psalm His inferiority is described as being a little lower than the angels. Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, inasmuch as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another; He, too, who sends is one, and He who is sent is another; and He, again, who makes is one, and He through whom the thing is made is another"

the Father is not the same as the Son
the Son is subordinate to the Father

Father and Son not the same, not co equal, not the trinity

another deception is when they use the phrase "same substance" the early church used this as well,
"Father and Son are of the same substance"
sounds like they are the same, however they are omitting important information, "same substance" is a Greek philosophical term. its used to denote similarities of state of being. examples:
a wolf is of the same substance as a man
they didnt believe a wolf and man are the same, but they are both made of the same things, of this earth.

Tertullian was not a trinitarian and suggesting he was is very misleading
naughty naughty to those that teach such things
 

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what in the world are you going on about? this is literally just random nonesense.
Jesus - "I come in the name of My Father"
you - "that statement means a fathers son is not human"

????
Man creates a statue...(sorry you can not grasp that)
Man begets a son..(again, sorry you can not grasp that)

God begets a son
God did not beget adam.

Not trying to convince you of anything.
I am demonstrating your rebellion of what is written.
 

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trins use lots of deception when trying to teach the trinity, one of the best examples is when they try and teach the early church fathers believed the trinity such as Tertullian, this is in fact incorrect. this is actually what Tertullian teaches"

against praxeas 9
"because the Father is not the same as the Son, since they differ one from the other in the mode of their being. For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole, as He Himself acknowledges: My Father is greater than I. John 14:28 In the Psalm His inferiority is described as being a little lower than the angels. Thus the Father is distinct from the Son, being greater than the Son, inasmuch as He who begets is one, and He who is begotten is another; He, too, who sends is one, and He who is sent is another; and He, again, who makes is one, and He through whom the thing is made is another"

the Father is not the same as the Son
the Son is subordinate to the Father

Father and Son not the same, not co equal, not the trinity

another deception is when they use the phrase "same substance" the early church used this as well,
"Father and Son are of the same substance"
sounds like they are the same, however they are omitting important information, "same substance" is a Greek philosophical term. its used to denote similarities of state of being. examples:
a wolf is of the same substance as a man
they didnt believe a wolf and man are the same, but they are both made of the same things, of this earth.

Tertullian was not a trinitarian and suggesting he was is very misleading
naughty naughty to those that teach such things
the deity verses are still there.
No foolery makes them disappear
 

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Jesus is the creator.
Jesus is God
The father is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

Jesus became man
He never stopped being God.
God is plurality.
" ..let us Make man an our image"

It had to be God on the cross.
The cross led to the grave.
The grave was where He resurrected.

The resurrection was WHY it had to be God as the sacrifice.
No other man could resurrect.
It HAD TO BE God in the cross.
It HAD TO BE Jesus

Those components and others make up the trinity.

The trinity is a string of facts.

Not to be unpacked by men's minds.
They are true.
So we believe them and take God at His word.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 

jaybird

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Man creates a statue...(sorry you can not grasp that)
Man begets a son..(again, sorry you can not grasp that)

God begets a son
God did not beget adam.

Not trying to convince you of anything.
I am demonstrating your rebellion of what is written.
umm no i can grasp building things just fine.
but me building a statue has nothing to do with Jesus saying He came in the name of His Father.
with this kind of logic anything proves your point:
"i use an ingersoll rand air compresses, therefore the trinity is true!"
statements like this will lead people to think you are mentally handicap, or on crack
 

jaybird

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the deity verses are still there.
No foolery makes them disappear
LOOK OVER THERE! WAYYYYYY OVER THERE. . . . . .while i avoid what you said

your distraction tactic is not working. it only proves you have no substance to prove the statement wrong
 
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